VV/VW question about flavor

[Blackbeard]

I'm new to VV/VW batteries. I'm noticing that since I received my iTaste V3, my flavors seem to be muted. I use a Kanger EVOD with ohms being indicated between 2.0 and 2.4 on my iTaste. I have tried 7.0 - 9.0 watts. I mix my juice 50/50. The flavors that worked on my Ego battery and the same EVOD now taste muted, and I'm either tasting PG or VG a little more (I'm guessing that it's one of those two, not really sure since I didn't taste it before). I also notice that as my coils get dirtier, the flavor starts to return to the Ego battery flavor.

Any recommendations on how I should change my juices or voltage/wattage to get a more normal flavor? I could add more flavoring since I use a one flavor mixture, but I'm not sure that's what I'm suppose to do when switching from constant voltage batteries to these new variable batteries.

I really like the vapor I get at 9.0 watts, so I'm hoping my juices are the culprit and not my battery setup.

 

[Baditude]

Well, if the Safe Vaping Power Chart is used as a guideline and reference, 9 watts is pretty high to use at those resistances. I don't think either your Evod or your juices are to blame, it's quite possibly your choice to use the higher watts that are muting the flavors.

If there's anything that I have learned with variable voltage, it's to adjust to taste and not pick out a specific wattage to use because someone on a forum or elsewhere on the internet said that's what they use. When using a new flavor, one should begin with a low voltage and work up in voltage in small increments until they find the "sweet spot" for that particular flavor/juice.

This is a personal craveat that I have with variable wattage. It doesn't take into consideration that the best flavor production for any given flavor doesn't just happen at a given voltage or wattage. Some perform better with lower voltage and some with higher voltage. (Forgive me, I only use voltage with my devices, so that is what I am comfortable with.)

Take for instance, my favorite flavors are fruit and coffee flavors. The fruit flavors are best at 3.4 -3.7 volts. The coffee flavors are best between 4.0 -4.5 volts. Anything above or below those ranges and the flavor production is going to suffer.

If you are only looking for vapor, then sure more voltage/wattage will produce more of that. Possibly to the point of completely muting all flavor, or at least making them taste burnt. Just my

 

[tntmux]

I noticed the same thing with vamo and kanger t2. Drop to 7.5 or 8W or try VV mode at 3.6-3.8V to find your sweet spot. The ohm reader on your battery might not be correct, my vamo reads 2.0 for a 1.8ohm head, in this situation if you use VW mode you will get a voltage too high to bring any good flavor, even risk to burn your coil head.

 

[kiwivap]

I'm new to VV/VW batteries. I'm noticing that since I received my iTaste V3, my flavors seem to be muted. I use a Kanger EVOD with ohms being indicated between 2.0 and 2.4 on my iTaste. I have tried 7.0 - 9.0 watts. I mix my juice 50/50. The flavors that worked on my Ego battery and the same EVOD now taste muted, and I'm either tasting PG or VG a little more (I'm guessing that it's one of those two, not really sure since I didn't taste it before). I also notice that as my coils get dirtier, the flavor starts to return to the Ego battery flavor.

Any recommendations on how I should change my juices or voltage/wattage to get a more normal flavor? I could add more flavoring since I use a one flavor mixture, but I'm not sure that's what I'm suppose to do when switching from constant voltage batteries to these new variable batteries.

I really like the vapor I get at 9.0 watts, so I'm hoping my juices are the culprit and not my battery setup.

Hi Blackbeard,
I use variable wattage a lot myself. 7-9 watts for those ohms sounds normal - a lot of people vape at around 8 watts with those kind of resistances.
If the flavors are muted there can be reasons that have nothing to do with the vw - a change in the Evods, a change in the juice perhaps. One thing I can suggest is you increase the PG in your DIY juice. PG enhances flavor and nicotine delivery. So more PG should increase the flavor for you.
I'd try the same juice with maybe PG/VG 70/30, in a different attachment if you have one, and also try varying the watts a little - starting lower and working up.
Just as variable voltage is variable - meaning adjustable, so variable wattage has the "variable" in the name for the same reason. It can be adjusted for fine tuning. It sounds to me that the juice is what probably needs some tinkering with tho.

 

[kiwivap]

I noticed the same thing with vamo and kanger t2. Drop to 7.5 or 8W or try VV mode at 3.6-3.8V to find your sweet spot. The ohm reader on your battery might not be correct, my vamo reads 2.0 for a 1.8ohm head, in this situation if you use VW mode you will get a voltage too high to bring any good flavor, even risk to burn your coil head.

You've had advice on this - its not the same issue as the OP. In your case you need to learn about your new pv, and also how to screw attachments so the connect properly or not.
Unless you measure ohms on a multimeter and then compare you cannot say the Vamo is incorrect because it may differ from the stated factory ohms. Reality is ohms can differ by +/- 0.2 from what's written on the heads/cartos.

 

[QuikWgn]

^QFT...I've been DIY'ing for A LONG TIME(like a month after I started 3 1/2 years ago) and I agree that as I have gone towards a hotter vape (I started out with 5v regulated and skipped over 3.7v stuff all together) that reducing my VG% at higher power levels and adding a bit more flavor seemed to work out for me. This is just my opinion. I will also say for me that clearo tanks(like the iClear30 and Protank) don't seem to give me as much flavor as a Boge carto(or carto tank) with the same juice at the same power level, though they do seem to put out more vapor. I won't go into straight atty dripping, or RA stuff because you start getting into too many variables like bridge/bridgeless/HH.357 atties, and kanthal gauge, wick type, diameter, sub-ohm etc...

 

[skyztheLynnit]

That chart is very helpful Baditude, i wonder if there is a similar chart for wattage?

 

[kiwivap]

That chart is very helpful Baditude, i wonder if there is a similar chart for wattage?

Not sure if you're serious or why would you need one? The chart has watts on it. Not that you need it with variable wattage since it auto adjusts the voltage anyway. But say you were going to do one - you'd need every combination of volts and ohms that gives a certain power (watts) - so there won't be the same correlation as the volts /ohms chart has.

 

[Lessifer]

That chart is very helpful Baditude, i wonder if there is a similar chart for wattage?

The numbers in the boxes are the watts you get when applying the given voltage to the given resistance.

 

[skyztheLynnit]

The numbers in the boxes are the watts you get when applying the given voltage to the given resistance.

Thanks lessifer! I missed that..

PS - thanks for giving a respectful answer as i am quite new to variable devices.. just trying to learn.

 

[Lessifer]

Thanks lessifer! I missed that..

PS - thanks for giving a respectful answer as i am quite new to variable devices.. just trying to learn.

No problem, it's somewhat easy to miss if you don't know what you're looking at. And if you're like me you never gave watts, volts, ohms any thought before vaping.

Also, just to give my opinion to the discussion, when I'm trying a different juice than I normally use I start off low(6w) and then work my way up until I find a good balance of flavor and vapor. Lighter, simpler, fruity flavors usually like it low(7w); while stronger more complex flavors(good tobacco) really shine a big higher(9w~ish). But it also depends on your device/wick/coil. I use rebuildables and if I build around 2ohms it can take more watts before altering the flavor than if I build at say 1.5ohm. Wire gauge can also have an effect, but that's a whole other thread

 

[kiwivap]

Interesting.
Yep, always good to start low and work up.

 

[kiwivap]

Thanks lessifer! I missed that..

PS - thanks for giving a respectful answer as i am quite new to variable devices.. just trying to learn.

Well I hope my post wasn't construed as disrespectful. You did say the chart was helpful so I didn't assume. Its a chart that's been used for variable voltage vaping and is a guide for single coil ohms. Some variable voltage vapers have said they don't use it and find it restrictive. Its ok as a guide but its not necessary for variable wattage vaping. The whole point with vw is not having to calculate and use charts - set the watts and the device reads the resistance of the attachment and adjusts the volts automatically.

 

[skyztheLynnit]

No problem, it's somewhat easy to miss if you don't know what you're looking at. And if you're like me you never gave watts, volts, ohms any thought before vaping.

Also, just to give my opinion to the discussion, when I'm trying a different juice than I normally use I start off low(6w) and then work my way up until I find a good balance of flavor and vapor. Lighter, simpler, fruity flavors usually like it low(7w); while stronger more complex flavors(good tobacco) really shine a big higher(9w~ish). But it also depends on your device/wick/coil. I use rebuildables and if I build around 2ohms it can take more watts before altering the flavor than if I build at say 1.5ohm. Wire gauge can also have an effect, but that's a whole other thread

The only watts i knew about before vaping were lightbulbs lol.
I'm expecting a VV/VW device today (the new itaste.. nothing big or major moddish bc i am not ready for that just yet.
i use mostly EVODS at 1.8ohms (tho i do have a couple of 2.4 ohms to play around with.) I haven't begun to rebuild heads so not sure of the gauge or quality of wick I'm working with here..
I vape mostly 50/50 dessert vapes.. i started vaping a coffee the other day that clogged that head in a day lol I'll start low with the coffee when i get the devuce and see if the heat helps as i go up.. thank you again!

 

[skyztheLynnit]

Well I hope my post wasn't construed as disrespectful. You did say the chart was helpful so I didn't assume. Its a chart that's been used for variable voltage vaping and is a guide for single coil ohms. Some variable voltage vapers have said they don't use it and find it restrictive. Its ok as a guide but its not necessary for variable wattage vaping. The whole point with vw is not having to calculate and use charts - set the watts and the device reads the resistance of the attachment and adjusts the volts automatically.

Yes i was serious when i asked the question.. you assumed i knew wattages were listed in the chart. I didn't know. Just because someone sees something.. and understands it doesn't mean the next person will.

 

[kiwivap]

Yes i was serious when i asked the question.. you assumed i knew wattages were listed in the chart. I didn't know. Just because someone sees something.. and understands it doesn't mean the next person will.

Sure, but when some-one says its very helpful it does strongly suggest they got it. The way it read to me was you did know and that's why you asked if there was a chart that went by watts (meaning not by volts). Nevermind. That's the thing when that chart gets plonked onto a thread about vw - its more confusing than helpful because its really meant for vv vaping.
The new iTaste - that's the v3 that has vv and vw . Great pv - would like one of those myself.

 

[Lessifer]

Without getting too in depth, factory wire, like in a stock EVOD head tends to be pretty thin, IMO thin wire can't handle too much power going through it, it gets too hot too quickly. So yeah, start low then work your way up, it's much better than starting high and burning your juice and getting a nasty taste that won't go away for awhile. I've only tried one coffee flavor, but I've heard they tend to do well with a warmer vape, mine has chocolate in it too and honestly I haven't found a good setting for it, too high and it burns and gunks up the coil, too low and it simmers... And gunks up the coil. It's possible it's just not a very good juice, hope yours does better.

 

[kiwivap]

Without getting too in depth, factory wire, like in a stock EVOD head tends to be pretty thin, IMO thin wire can't handle too much power going through it, it gets too hot too quickly. So yeah, start low then work your way up, it's much better than starting high and burning your juice and getting a nasty taste that won't go away for awhile. I've only tried one coffee flavor, but I've heard they tend to do well with a warmer vape, mine has chocolate in it too and honestly I haven't found a good setting for it, too high and it burns and gunks up the coil, too low and it simmers... And gunks up the coil. It's possible it's just not a very good juice, hope yours does better.

I've always found coffee flavors gunk coils quickly. Others seem to find that too. I like a good coffee flavor but it is a hassle having to clean coils so soon after filling a tank.

 

[Lessifer]

I've always found coffee flavors gunk coils quickly. Others seem to find that too. I like a good coffee flavor but it is a hassle having to clean coils so soon after filling a tank.

Yeah maybe coffee is just a coil gunker, I'm lazy and I hate cleaning/changing coils too often, so I tend to just stay away from darker juices.

The beauty of vv/vw is that you can adjust it. I always see vw referred to as a "set it and forget it" feature, that's just not the case unless you use the same delivery devices and similar juices all the time. If I wanted something that only put out one power setting, I'd get a fixed voltage device

And here's today's vaping example: I'm using a vamo and an aga-t with a 30g 1.5 ohm coil on a vertical silica wick, and I'm vaping a strawberries and cream juice. From this morning's vaping I've learned I can't take this setup with this juice past 7w, taste is horrible higher than that. Yesterday, same hardware, but with grappler(grape apple candy) I was running 8w no problem.

 

[kiwivap]

Yeah maybe coffee is just a coil gunker, I'm lazy and I hate cleaning/changing coils too often, so I tend to just stay away from darker juices.

The beauty of vv/vw is that you can adjust it. I always see vw referred to as a "set it and forget it" feature, that's just not the case unless you use the same delivery devices and similar juices all the time. If I wanted something that only put out one power setting, I'd get a fixed voltage device

And here's today's vaping example: I'm using a vamo and an aga-t with a 30g 1.5 ohm coil on a vertical silica wick, and I'm vaping a strawberries and cream juice. From this morning's vaping I've learned I can't take this setup with this juice past 7w, taste is horrible higher than that. Yesterday, same hardware, but with grappler(grape apple candy) I was running 8w no problem.

I hear you on that. Unfortunately a couple of people on the forum try to diss vw all the time, and that's the silly argument they use - that vw users claim they only ever use one setting. Which is nonsense - its variable wattage. Having said that - it can be a "set and forget" sometimes - with some juices in a vivi it is for me. But I agree with you - it also allows for adjusting. What I like and find convenient is just clicking the watts up or down and knowing it will adjust the voltage automatically. What I also found with a RDA I was using one day is that the vw stayed constant even though the coil was a bit unstable and the resistance was changing. Not the recommended way to use it - but interesting since ordinary coils (stock) do sometimes change in resistance too.