Really? Who said anything about a supply and demand problem? It is a cost issue. More expensive to buy and work with. What is man-made organic cotton?
Warning: My Aspire Atlantis coil just FELL APART while I was vaping, and particles got lodged in my throat.
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Really? Who said anything about a supply and demand problem? It is a cost issue. More expensive to buy and work with. What is man-made organic cotton?
CelluCotton= rayon=man made? Not quite sure where the organic comes from.
joyetech calls their material "man-made organic cotton." They even admitted they lied about using Japanese organic cotton...
Here's the link a friend sent me...
Taste Your Juice | MORE INFORMATION ON THE DELTA II WICKING MATERIALS
One in ten million? Do you know that for a fact or is it just a figure of speech? Because I've see several reports of suspicious gunk being produced by both Atlantis and Nautilus BVC coils and either clogging the screen mesh or getting to users' mouths, like this one:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...07-atlantis-coil-black-gunk.html#post14823281
I agree. I was under the impression that we were discussing the BVC coil.
Wrong. Even Aspire sort of reluctantly admitted it in their official statement, which I linked earlier in the thread. That ceramic/fiberglass paper crumbles and falls apart, apparently even when wet--which is probably why Aspire installed the screen mesh in the first place, and then added a cotton wrap around the fiberglass filler to further prevent the bits and pieces from getting into the ejuice and into the users' mouths and/or lungs. The first BVC coils didn't have any cotton wrap in them, BTW--that layer of cotton was added later, presumably due to the complaints about the ceramic paper disintegrating in the coil heads.
Aspire Support: •View topic - Aspire official statement on Atlantis coils material
The problem is that that thin layer of cotton doesn't do much good--it burns easily and the ceramic/fiberglass paper comes in direct contact with the hot coil again.
No, no, no. Please, do not get discouraged from sharing your experiences or asking questions. This is exactly why this forum was created by Smokey Joe--to help and to inform and to question everything. This industry is unregulated and we, vapers, are our own safety net.
I've been doing it for 5 years and I'm not going to stop now. Yes, there are a few unpleasant people here who will rather belittle, berate, insult and accuse the OP of hysteria, fear mongering, providing ammunition to the ANTZ or user error, but most of ECF members are good people very concerned about vaping and our safety. Really.
It's not about one person... It's about fiberglass and vaping.
That's your choice. This forum is about sharing information.
Maybe you should, you know.
And here it is! Like clockwork.
It's not a myth. It's a fact--confirmed by Aspire.
Maybe you should have read at least a few pages, after all.
It's been covered and explained before in this thread...
Post #24
Post #48
Post #84
You'll have to click on the links though--if it's not too much trouble. All the answers are there...
People are using amorphous silica wicks because they wick well, are safe for inhalation, they are easy to clean (much easier than cotton or rayon) and they don't burn.
Enjoy:
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Not quite.
It comes from years of trial and error and experimentation. Our clever modders and vapers who use RBAs have experimented with different wicking materials for years--everything from stainless steel mesh, silica rope, eco wool, hemp, alpaca wool, cotton balls, rayon (cellucotton) to Japanese organic cotton has been tested and debated here and on other e-cigarette forums and on YouTube.
I believe that most agree that Japanese organic cotton (which comes in pads, rather than balls, and with the fibers running in the same direction) and cellucotton are the most popular at the moment. The Chinese manufacturers have been paying attention, apparently.
I find it intriguing that our resident masters of language abuse were not aware of this sense of the the word "organic":
organic compound | chemical compound | Encyclopedia Britannica
oh wait they're also masters of pretend....
organic compound | chemical compound | Encyclopedia Britannica
oh wait they're also masters of pretend....
Stratm69 if your ever going to defend a product pick one that you can, the Atlantis and it's heads have been the cause of a few incidents super was the latest but not the only one it has had a steady stream of incidents that has led quite a few user's to stop using their Atlantis more reading would have helped you realise this. Katya I get where your coming from about what the forum was intended for and how many of us want it to be but in reality it's becoming a very closed minded place not fit for new vapers and given there are a lot more vaping forums that don't have the attack dogs waiting for an excuse to go off on one this is no longer the place to recommend to friends and family just starting their vaping journey.
Oh and as for the whole "you should work for the fda" first off I'm a Brit so no chance of me working for them and secondly it won't be people who tell the truth that will get them hitting vaping it will be the idiot brigade who insist every problem is user error rather then the hit and miss mass production machine. Because if all the problems vaping hardware has were user error we would have a substantial number of people that clearly needed to be protected. Perhaps stratm69 in future before troting out the sort of thing you have in this thread you should do more research and also understand this basic fact that good people will report problems hoping they can prevent it happening to others something that should be encouraged not attacked.
Oh and as for the whole "you should work for the fda" first off I'm a Brit so no chance of me working for them and secondly it won't be people who tell the truth that will get them hitting vaping it will be the idiot brigade who insist every problem is user error rather then the hit and miss mass production machine. Because if all the problems vaping hardware has were user error we would have a substantial number of people that clearly needed to be protected. Perhaps stratm69 in future before troting out the sort of thing you have in this thread you should do more research and also understand this basic fact that good people will report problems hoping they can prevent it happening to others something that should be encouraged not attacked.
Amen.
I also believe that most of us switched to vaping in order to improve our health. I strongly believe in the concept of tobacco harm reduction. And I hope that, in our zeal to design more powerful and efficient PVs, we'll never forget why we switched to vaping in the first place.
And since you mentioned watt wars, I think it's time for Victor.
Just bear in mind that he's not a professional vaper! 
Ah yes the ultimate salesman video such a good advertisment for his product id have bought one but I'm not a professional vaper .
.*sigh*
I know... But I don't take it personally any more. I just ignore the haters, the jeers, the trolls, the gerbils, the unhatched eggs, the uninformed and the unwilling to be informed.
If we don't look out for one another, nobody else will. This forum saves lives--and God bless Smokey Joe for starting it! He is a Brit also, BTW. In case you didn't know.
Katya - looks like you have this well in hand -
We will call my numbers an overstatement for now in terms of referencing a Large gap in failure vs. usage. Remember the gap is growing daily as people order heads, 5pks, Cases of 5pks in deals.
We should not forget, Aspire is also taking the heat because there are several Counterfeit heads on the Market(Packaged identically)
Even scratch codes are worthless as they are recorded and verified as a Correct number but Not how many persons have used that same number.
As I said, and you actually pointed out - Ceramic does NOT gunk - It crumbles if not contained and if disturbed. It Can become encased in Gunk from the e-liquid itself should it break away. As can Silica particulates or any other small particles in the area.
No argument with NOT using the original heads. I See the Atlantis as a Good Tank design for the Casual Vapor.....Using OCC coils. Same goes for the Kanger SubTanks.
For my preferences they would both be a step or two Backward.
We will call my numbers an overstatement for now in terms of referencing a Large gap in failure vs. usage. Remember the gap is growing daily as people order heads, 5pks, Cases of 5pks in deals.
We should not forget, Aspire is also taking the heat because there are several Counterfeit heads on the Market(Packaged identically)
Even scratch codes are worthless as they are recorded and verified as a Correct number but Not how many persons have used that same number.
As I said, and you actually pointed out - Ceramic does NOT gunk - It crumbles if not contained and if disturbed. It Can become encased in Gunk from the e-liquid itself should it break away. As can Silica particulates or any other small particles in the area.
No argument with NOT using the original heads. I See the Atlantis as a Good Tank design for the Casual Vapor.....Using OCC coils. Same goes for the Kanger SubTanks.
For my preferences they would both be a step or two Backward.
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WOW! what a read!
I am currently using the Aspire Mini and, unfortunately, still have some of the not-yet-released all cotton coils. I am aware of the dangers, and choose to vape through these coils until I can get some of the all cotton ones. Yes, that's just my decision and shouldn't influence anyone else one way or the other. It's my choice to personally take that risk.
I WILL, be getting the all-cotton coils just as soon as I can, though.
Thanks, Super for posting the warning. It is, indeed, what this forum is (and should be) all about.
Thanks for all the folks who have the sense to defend Super's stance in trying to inform.
Bit of advice to all the knee-jerk nay-sayers: read more
'nuff said
I am currently using the Aspire Mini and, unfortunately, still have some of the not-yet-released all cotton coils. I am aware of the dangers, and choose to vape through these coils until I can get some of the all cotton ones. Yes, that's just my decision and shouldn't influence anyone else one way or the other. It's my choice to personally take that risk.
I WILL, be getting the all-cotton coils just as soon as I can, though.
Thanks, Super for posting the warning. It is, indeed, what this forum is (and should be) all about.
Thanks for all the folks who have the sense to defend Super's stance in trying to inform.
Bit of advice to all the knee-jerk nay-sayers: read more
'nuff said
I'm glad you said this Katya
I am sad that people are afraid to speak. That's not what this forum is about.
Super had something that happened. If you take the time to look at the post history of this member, you would know they are not a fear spreading person.
Take it the way it was meant. A warning that something happened and to at least BE AWARE that this CAN happen.
As Katya said, we are awesome at bringing problems to light and getting those fixed without government interference. The way that works is when you get enough people that have had these same things happen, that is when we raise the red flag and change happens.
If no one says anything, how does the change come about?
It is possible it was a freak accident, but does it warrant not saying anything? Any issues should be talked about not swept under the carpet. That is how things do get regulated. When the powers that be decide that we cannot take care of our own problems.
As far as the picture thing, yeah, it did take a while for Super to come back and post. Stuff happens in real life. In a perfect world, the pictures should have been ready when the first post was made. Panic makes you do some not well thought out things. Think about it. Think about how you react in a slightly panic mode. When you care about other vapers enough to tell your story and know you will get some flak anyway.
We have to look out for each other in order for the government to stay the heck out.
I'm glad you said this Katya
I am sad that people are afraid to speak. That's not what this forum is about.
Super had something that happened. If you take the time to look at the post history of this member, you would know they are not a fear spreading person.
Take it the way it was meant. A warning that something happened and to at least BE AWARE that this CAN happen.
As Katya said, we are awesome at bringing problems to light and getting those fixed without government interference. The way that works is when you get enough people that have had these same things happen, that is when we raise the red flag and change happens.
If no one says anything, how does the change come about?
It is possible it was a freak accident, but does it warrant not saying anything? Any issues should be talked about not swept under the carpet. That is how things do get regulated. When the powers that be decide that we cannot take care of our own problems.
As far as the picture thing, yeah, it did take a while for Super to come back and post. Stuff happens in real life. In a perfect world, the pictures should have been ready when the first post was made. Panic makes you do some not well thought out things. Think about it. Think about how you react in a slightly panic mode. When you care about other vapers enough to tell your story and know you will get some flak anyway.
We have to look out for each other in order for the government to stay the heck out.
The nervous type energy of waiting and worrying also can lead to a thread getting silly or goofy. I didn't feel like the OP was "Attacked" I was just killing time til the OP posted the pics. This is what I was trying to say in my other post but it didnt come out right.
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