Was planning to cut down and ended up quitting

[Vatigu]

Hi all,
I started vaping about 9 days ago with the intent to just cut down and save some money (My cheap smokes just broke $9 a pack) Turns out vape makes analogs taste like ... within two days I had 5 packs lying around I ended up giving away hahaha... so turns out I'm quitting all together... haven't even had a craving for a regular cigarette since the third day. Of course apparently I'm doomed to suffer every tobacco withdrawal symptom known to man aside from cravings. I'm currently suffering the quitters flu and have already had a day or two of diarrhoea (although that's cleared up at least).

Funnily enough I tried my first PV 7 years ago - one of those cheap chinese cig-alikes with the crappy atty's and the foam ejuice cartridges and I'm really wishing I hadn't - I wrote off vaping this whole time because of that stupid cig-alike until I tried my friend's vape just before Christmas and it actually had a noticeable throat hit.

Anyways I started off with a Kanger Emow starter kit and am quite enjoying it - but I already want more - I can already feel the hobbyist in me kicking in so I guess that brings me to the meat and potatoes of this post. Has anyone had any experience with the Kanger sub-tank as a mouth inhaler? (pull to mouth then inhale to lungs) I haven't been able to find any reviews that mention this specific facet - I was looking at the Aspire Atlantis but I found a review that suggested it was a little too airy for a mouth-inhaler which had me looking looking up reviews again - then I saw the Kanger sub tank with the flexibility for me to start building my own coils in a hybrid solution so I can use purchased coils when it's inconvenient to build and while I'm still learning and I thought that would be perfect - but the only thing holding me back from buying one (and a good VV/VW) is whether or not I'll get a good feel as a mouth inhaler. I don't doubt I could switch to lung inhaling with relative ease - even the emow with 24mg nic is easy enough for me to lung hit maybe coughing once or twice every few hits - but I just generally prefer to mouth inhale and I still want a good hit when I have to take a smaller draw (y'know being discrete at a bus stop for instance rather than hitting everyone in the vicinity with a fog bank).

So it really boils down to - does anyone with a preference for mouth-lung have any experience with the Kanger subtank, or any good recommendations for a solution that'll do the trick for a mouth inhaler? Cost is not all that much of a concern - I was spending nearly $250 a month on cigs so at least until my budget adjusts to the reduced rate for ejuice and coils/kanthal I have a bit of extra coin to set myself up nice.

Anyways thanks for the good reads in the other subforums been lurking a few days now and I think I might become a regular.

 

[Ablonz]

as we speak I am currently using the subtank as far as mouth to lungs, I give it an A. I usually use it on the 2nd setting though while still doing mouth to lung hits although it can still be done (lung hits) with this tank. It really isn't all that airy like the Atlantis but can be used either way. I say go for it. Also, Welcome to the forums and congrats on kicking the analogs!!

 

[Vatigu]

Thanks that's exactly what I wanted to hear - I'll be picking one of these up the next time I hit the shop (Assuming their Kanger shipment came in *fingers crossed*)

The guy at the shop suggested a VW box for about $120 I didn't recognize the name and subsequently forgot it but I wouldn't mind reading some reviews before buying he said it had bluetooth support so you could even stage the output levels (one wattage for the first second another output for the next second etc... he gave it a hearty recommendation and he seemed pretty trustworthy but that sounds like a whole lotta magic for a fairly immature market... anyways if anyone knows the name of the device by that vague description I'd appreciate it.

Now time for bed

 

[ScandaLeX]

I have the Atlantis & Kanger Sub Tank. I find them both airy but the Kanger airier. As of right now I prefer the Atlantis for MTL (mouth to lung) & DL (direct lung) inhale.

 

[daleron]

Welcome to ECF, make yourself right at home
Congrats on quitting!

 

[HecticEnergy]

Thanks that's exactly what I wanted to hear - I'll be picking one of these up the next time I hit the shop (Assuming their Kanger shipment came in *fingers crossed*)

The guy at the shop suggested a VW box for about $120 I didn't recognize the name and subsequently forgot it but I wouldn't mind reading some reviews before buying he said it had bluetooth support so you could even stage the output levels (one wattage for the first second another output for the next second etc... he gave it a hearty recommendation and he seemed pretty trustworthy but that sounds like a whole lotta magic for a fairly immature market... anyways if anyone knows the name of the device by that vague description I'd appreciate it.

Now time for bed

Sounds something like the evic, but not sure... A lot of that stuff is really gimmicky imo. I'm a software engineer so no stranger to technology, but I like a simple PV.
The recommendations I've been seeing for making your way into APVs (Advanced PV - basically anything beyond an ego with regulation) is the eleaf istick or MVP, both have new versions at the end of the month. Those are great starts as they have lots of features for cheap.
That said your budget allows for much better gear. If you don't want to subohm, a provari is the top of the line APV. Vapor Shark makes some nice mods too. The iPV mods get great reviews as does the segelli 100w. Before you buy a mod with a replaceable battery, make sure you read up on battery safety. The quick and dirty version is buy authentic, high amp batteries - and when using them in a mod that takes two batteries: buy them together, charge them together, and only use them together (marry them)


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[Danbrooks2k]

I use a tighter drip tip ( one from a nautilus ) and the smallest airhole on my Atlantis and feel like I get a really good mouth to lung hit with vapor and flavor that far surpasses the nautilus or any other clearomizer I have tried.

I have heard that the Atlantis isnt built for mouth to lung and I will not disagree. I have a different experience but I am also changing drip tips.

The Kanger subtank might just be up your alley. I am told it has a tighter draw and better for mouth to lung. I have one on order and will try it when I get home in 2 weeks.

I am a bit of an aspire fan boy, but I have had some pretty good experiences with many kanger products ( a drilled out evod is a pretty decent vape if your just starting out ) I have an areo mega on my MVP as a back up device and other than the short coil life ( for me anyway ) its a great little tank and very very very well machined and nice looking.

Probably start with the kanger sub tank, if you can demo the ATlantis before you buy it I would highly suggest giving it a vape.

 

[Vatigu]

Thanks for the great info - I'll definitely be picking up the kanger - in my research so far battery safety has been covered extensively - I won't be making any mistakes there.
I'm hoping it was the evic
And I've been reading that while subohm was a great means to an end now that higher wattage devices are available it's actually starting to make sense to use longer lengths of thinner wire at higher watts rather than fat wires at short lengths I could be off-base here - but the reasoning I saw was that that thin wire heats faster and longer wire means more surface area to contact the wick. So the reason I want a solid VW is so I can test a bunch of combinations of wiretype and output power and find what works best for me. I'm not necessarily interested in clouds I'm more looking for what gives me a satisfying amount of vape with a good flavour and a strong hit. So I'll need to experiment to find the right balance.

i.e. I found that 18mg at 4.8v w/ 1.5ohm Kanger BDC was just about right but I was vaping constantly so I picked up some 24mg liquid and found that 4.2v was plenty to still get a solid hit and that I only start really craving a hit every hour and a half or so. I think this is the sweetspot with the Emow for me but I still feel like it could be better so I need to start playing with more than just voltage and liquid.

I'm a bit of a tinkerer and I need moar options.

 

[Logan108]

Hi all,
I started vaping about 9 days ago with the intent to just cut down and save some money (My cheap smokes just broke $9 a pack) Turns out vape makes analogs taste like ... within two days I had 5 packs lying around I ended up giving away hahaha... so turns out I'm quitting all together... haven't even had a craving for a regular cigarette since the third day. Of course apparently I'm doomed to suffer every tobacco withdrawal symptom known to man aside from cravings. I'm currently suffering the quitters flu and have already had a day or two of diarrhoea (although that's cleared up at least).

Funnily enough I tried my first PV 7 years ago - one of those cheap chinese cig-alikes with the crappy atty's and the foam ejuice cartridges and I'm really wishing I hadn't - I wrote off vaping this whole time because of that stupid cig-alike until I tried my friend's vape just before Christmas and it actually had a noticeable throat hit.

Anyways I started off with a Kanger Emow starter kit and am quite enjoying it - but I already want more - I can already feel the hobbyist in me kicking in so I guess that brings me to the meat and potatoes of this post. Has anyone had any experience with the Kanger sub-tank as a mouth inhaler? (pull to mouth then inhale to lungs) I haven't been able to find any reviews that mention this specific facet - I was looking at the Aspire Atlantis but I found a review that suggested it was a little too airy for a mouth-inhaler which had me looking looking up reviews again - then I saw the Kanger sub tank with the flexibility for me to start building my own coils in a hybrid solution so I can use purchased coils when it's inconvenient to build and while I'm still learning and I thought that would be perfect - but the only thing holding me back from buying one (and a good VV/VW) is whether or not I'll get a good feel as a mouth inhaler. I don't doubt I could switch to lung inhaling with relative ease - even the emow with 24mg nic is easy enough for me to lung hit maybe coughing once or twice every few hits - but I just generally prefer to mouth inhale and I still want a good hit when I have to take a smaller draw (y'know being discrete at a bus stop for instance rather than hitting everyone in the vicinity with a fog bank).

So it really boils down to - does anyone with a preference for mouth-lung have any experience with the Kanger subtank, or any good recommendations for a solution that'll do the trick for a mouth inhaler? Cost is not all that much of a concern - I was spending nearly $250 a month on cigs so at least until my budget adjusts to the reduced rate for ejuice and coils/kanthal I have a bit of extra coin to set myself up nice.

Anyways thanks for the good reads in the other subforums been lurking a few days now and I think I might become a regular.

This Is exactly how I was except on top of that my Mom and Step Dad had tried using PVs a few years back and I hated theirs, the juice was fine but Where they waited so long to change out Coils. and then Around October I bought a Cig-a-like from a Gas station that they had on sale for like 4 dollars and it was absolutely horrible. there was no taste whatsoever so I decided to go back to analogs. and then at the beginning of December I decided to go into my local shop just to look around and my Fiancee talked me into buying my first kit which was a spinner and this time it works! I haven't completely cut out analogs this time but I have decreased my analogs a whole lot and plan on sooner than later to completely drop them.

 

[Vatigu]

yeah, I'm thinking of all the money I could have saved over the last 7 years if I had kept trying with vape instead of giving up after the first one haha Good luck on fully weening off the analogs I think I probably should have weened myself off more slowly I ended up quitting an 8 year pack a day habit almost overnight

had 25 or so cigs Dec 26
5 cigs Dec27(3 before I even got the emow)
2 halves of a cigarette (had to waste them early cause they were tasting so bad) the 28th
and completely clean since the 29th
and now I'm rocking all the best flu symptoms, sneezing all over my desk every 5 minutes and terrifying my coworkers hahaha

 

[HecticEnergy]

Thanks for the great info - I'll definitely be picking up the kanger - in my research so far battery safety has been covered extensively - I won't be making any mistakes there.
I'm hoping it was the evic
And I've been reading that while subohm was a great means to an end now that higher wattage devices are available it's actually starting to make sense to use longer lengths of thinner wire at higher watts rather than fat wires at short lengths I could be off-base here - but the reasoning I saw was that that thin wire heats faster and longer wire means more surface area to contact the wick. So the reason I want a solid VW is so I can test a bunch of combinations of wiretype and output power and find what works best for me. I'm not necessarily interested in clouds I'm more looking for what gives me a satisfying amount of vape with a good flavour and a strong hit. So I'll need to experiment to find the right balance.

i.e. I found that 18mg at 4.8v w/ 1.5ohm Kanger BDC was just about right but I was vaping constantly so I picked up some 24mg liquid and found that 4.2v was plenty to still get a solid hit and that I only start really craving a hit every hour and a half or so. I think this is the sweetspot with the Emow for me but I still feel like it could be better so I need to start playing with more than just voltage and liquid.

I'm a bit of a tinkerer and I need moar options.

When you go rebuildable you will likely want to drop your nic level too. Take your favorite juice and buy it in zero nic, then you can mix your 24 down and figure out what a comfortable level is for you - it's as it seems - 50% 0 nic and 50% 24 nic gives you 12nic. Your juice will taste different in a rebuldable even without adjusting your nic. It may also be quite a bit more harsh if you vape a high PG blend.

Thinner wire (higher gauge) is higher resistance for the same length of a thicker wire (lower gauge). Many use thicker wire to up their surface area while using lower ohms. In an RDA/RTA I find 28 ga works well for me, however recently I've been wrapping larger coils as thinner coils (talking inner diameter here) seem to burn through the cotton. Using 28ga on a 7/32 drill bit is like 3wraps / ohm IE not a lot of surface area on single coil builds (I like mine around 1.2-1.6). I'm going to pick up some 26 ga later today and try that out. the thicker wire w/more wraps should increase the surface area with the larger inner diameter. I'm hoping the loss in responsiveness (time to heat up) isn't too noticeable assuming all the other variables are unchanged - Watts, Volts, Ohms. I guess I'll have to play with it

I've been at this for about a year (rebuilding) and I'm still playing around with it. It's a fun little hobby, but be careful, it can get expensive fast
I only own 3 mods - hana clone 30w (May 2013), 4nine clone (mech - July 2013), Reo Grand (BottomFed Mech - December 2013). I started rebuilding on a 15w SmokTech SiD in October 2012. In the last year I've bought: 3 mods ($300), 10 batteries ($100), 9 attys ($140), 400' of wire in various gauges ($40), wicking materials ($20), 50 bottles of juice ($1,200), diy juice stuff ($180) - those estimates error on the high side, so around but less than 2k in the last year. I know others on here have bought way more than that, so much so that they can't keep track!
All I'm saying here is, if you want to save money, buy smart. Be picky with your mods - get something that is well reviewed that has the features you think you need or can grow into. My 30w mod will let me build down to .6ohms, which has been more than enough for me. After you get your mod, don't look at all the new stuff coming out every week I focus more on the build than the mod and that seems to keep me from buying every new shiny thing that comes out - wire is cheap, as is wick. Attys can be cheap if you buy clones, but you generally get what you pay for. Buying clones is a good way to try an atty out, you can always buy the authentic later if you like the atty enough. usually authentics have better craftsman ship and its always good to support the innovator

 

[HecticEnergy]

yeah, I'm thinking of all the money I could have saved over the last 7 years if I had kept trying with vape instead of giving up after the first one haha Good luck on fully weening off the analogs I think I probably should have weened myself off more slowly I ended up quitting an 8 year pack a day habit almost overnight

had 25 or so cigs Dec 26
5 cigs Dec27(3 before I even got the emow)
2 halves of a cigarette (had to waste them early cause they were tasting so bad) the 28th
and completely clean since the 29th
and now I'm rocking all the best flu symptoms, sneezing all over my desk every 5 minutes and terrifying my coworkers hahaha

You'll be better for it when the symptoms are gone
Congrats on quitting, Hope you kick the "flu" soon!! (its just all the poisons saying goodbye lol)

 

[AndriaD]

Y'know... it *is* flu season. Just because you have something like the flu, doesn't mean it's from quitting smoking -- you may just have the flu! If you're still capable of getting out of bed and going about a more-or-less normal routine, it's probably NOT the flu, but a cold -- real flu lays you out with drastic weakness, fatigue, and fever -- even passing out is not uncommon; it happened to me with my last bout of flu, 18 yrs ago.

I really don't know what "quitter's flu" is; I quit a 39 yr smoking habit in just about a month's time, and never had anything like that at all. I had a really bad cold, just as I was starting to vape, but that was long gone before the cigarettes were. If someone is vaping and has ........ (and/or nausea), it's probably just too much nicotine -- nicotine stimulates peristalsis (the rhythmic movements of the colon). If someone has quit smoking and is constipated, it's probably not enough nicotine.

Andria

 

[HecticEnergy]

Y'know... it *is* flu season. Just because you have something like the flu, doesn't mean it's from quitting smoking -- you may just have the flu! If you're still capable of getting out of bed and going about a more-or-less normal routine, it's probably NOT the flu, but a cold -- real flu lays you out with drastic weakness, fatigue, and fever -- even passing out is not uncommon; it happened to me with my last bout of flu, 18 yrs ago.

I really don't know what "quitter's flu" is; I quit a 39 yr smoking habit in just about a month's time, and never had anything like that at all. I had a really bad cold, just as I was starting to vape, but that was long gone before the cigarettes were. If someone is vaping and has ........ (and/or nausea), it's probably just too much nicotine -- nicotine stimulates peristalsis (the rhythmic movements of the colon). If someone has quit smoking and is constipated, it's probably not enough nicotine.

Andria

Thats a good point - you could be over nic'd - light headed, upset stomach/vomiting, etc. I imagine most of the effects would be gone by morning though as long as you don't vape while you sleep

 

[HecticEnergy]

Also make sure its not dehydration - vaping causes dehydration so you have to drink more water to make up for that...

 

[rocketman29]

I am new to vaping and quit smoking day 1 with the nautilus mini. I am doing mouth to lung hits and with the 4 different air holes on the mini, I can always find the proper setting. It sometimes changes when I change coils. The BVC coils are amazing.

 

[Vatigu]

As far as nic OD causing diarrhoea definitely no the diarrhoea was gone by day 3 and hasn't come back even after upping from 18mg to 24mg. No nausea/lightheadedness at all.

Mainly upper respiratory/sinus issues and sore throat, the exact symptoms I see listed on a lot of quitting sites and it's referred to as "Quitter's flu" if you google it but it's mostly cold symptoms definitely not an actual flu.

As far as flu/cold season noone around me is sick yet - and I know 100% I don't have an actual flu. And the timing was a bit too perfect with the 5 day after full quit mark for me to believe it's a common cold.

Also not everyone suffers the same quitting symptoms you're lucky you didn't get a quitter's flu. I hate being sick and it sucks double to know that this one's actually completely my fault not even viruses or bacteria to blame. Haha,

Re: buying a ton of gear - I like to do a lot of research before buying but I can also be pretty impulse spendy - fortunately the shop I was recommended to visit is 45 minutes out of my way and I like those guys so I'll probably keep going there - so the temptation is reasonably out of reach which will help prevent me from going nuts.

 

[Metimbo]

Congrats on quitting smoking! I am a mouth to lung hitter as well. I have ordered the Aspire Atlantis and the CF sub ohm battery. I can't wait until they get here. I have heard the same things as you about them being better for lung hits. I will try mouth to lung, but I think I will be able to make the switch over to direct lung hits fairly easy.

I will probably order the Kanger Subtank for the same reasons you mentioned. I like being able to play around with rebuilding while also having cartridges available for me while I swim up and down the learning curve lol.

Please let me know how the Kanger turns out for you.

~Metimbo

 

[slinco]

I bought my first mod after trying my buddies out, his juice sucked but I figured I would give it a try.
I never imagined I would stop smoking after 40 years but the day I bought mine I quit for good-basically without even trying.
I was shocked (and still am) at how easy it was--the whole urge disappeared after my first day of vaping.