Washington State city of Yakima Proposed to Include E-cigarettes in Smoking Ban

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I heard this as an afterthought on the radio driving home the other day...I live in Renton and haven't googled much on it but once again it sounds like a bunch of ignorant people trying to stop something that scares them that they don't understand because it looks like we are still smoking. I seems like they are trying to sneak this one by so it can get passed quietly without us knowing about it or having a chance to say much...maybe it's a bigger story over there I do not know...I just wanted to try and put the word out so people were aware because it bothered me that it was being passed off and blown by on the radio like it was no big deal....guess it isin't if vaping never helped you out? :unsure:

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I am honestly not a very politial person, I vote regularly in the local and state and federal elections but I am new to this supporting an issue beyond voting and watching others campaign and support and the work that it takes, but I am trying. I wrote my state senators and got no response. Maybe my letter was too uneducated, I don't know...but maybe someone else does that sees this and knows how to write and what to say and do..

I don't know if I am saying this right or not...the last time I tried to write something like this I got deleted for being off topic, but I tried...Yakima's vaping rights are in danger though and need our help...what can we do?
 

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Good find! Is Yakima far from you? Once something like this passes, it is inviting for other towns to follow. If and when this comes to vote maybe you can put a team together to go and oppose it. This is how our voices get heard. These local and state bans are equally as damaging as Federal. Have you seen this study.... http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf.

I recall you mentioning that you recently joined CASAA. Check out the info on their site. Here is a good start.. Learn About Electronic Cigarettes

We have to force feed these politicians as much info as possible. They have no clue that these positive studies exist (or at least some of them). Others do, but will not oppose e-cig legislation for many political reasons.
 
Yakima is a hundred and 130 mile drive from me...it takes 2-3 hours depending on the weather and traffic because you have to go over a couple big mountains either way to get there...it would be a bit far for me to carry the torch in person but I would be more than happy to phone it in...I don't force feed information about e-ciggs down peoples throats. If they ask me nicely I answer them nicely. If they are rude to me about using them in their "airspace" I ask them kindly what is so bothersome about something that has no harmful chemicals and hardly any smell if any? If their answer is "it is simply offending to me" I ask them why and if they continue to just be ignorant I move off...pick and choose your battles. If someone tells me I can not use my e-cigarettes inside I politely ask to see in writing the no "vaping" rules of the estabishment or business I am at. I am not rude or put up a fight about it...I just simply like to see people's policies in writing. And when I am in someone else's car or house that doesn't smoke or vape at all I am respectful and go outside out of courtesy because I would expect the same courtesy about things that bother me in my home so I think that is fair. I am not rude, and I try to send emails, I think I am going to move it up to phone calls. I post things on facebook and send out as much non-bias information as I can find. Even some of the fellow vapers I know, sadly, don't want to help...they just want to be able to vape and go just like smoking and that be the end of it.

My point being is if people want to stay ignorant or refuse to stand up for our rights...how can you try and convince them without crossing the "perverbial line'? I posted this hoping someone from Yakima would see it and hopefully respond. I put it up in the Washington State Vapors Group...and so far the only responce the first day is from New Jersey...that tells me two things...there are people out there that what to fight for our rights (not just to party), and apparently it's not the guy in Yakima so far. I am hoping that it is just because the locals haven't seen it yet. :fingers crossed: thank your responces...it is reassuring to know I am not alone. I was going to post this in the other thread but after reading this I feel that my next post below this one is safer here since it elaborates one what I am trying to say about getting peoples attention and the struggle with the FDA, not just in Yakima were the perfect example of the front line starts.

Thank you again....I look forward to your response....and I appreciate all the advice and help I can get...I am not afraid to admit I am wrong...just show me what I need to correct so I can correct it, it drives me nuts when people just say I am wrong and don't back it up because they think that all they need to be is right.

Happy Hoidays and Happy Vaping and please read on below... :toast:
 
Don't worry, zachery, you're not alone! Nobody can understand notices like this, really. They're written in an artificial language called "government gobbledegook," which evolved precisely because government officials and drones don't want to be understood, really... (There's also a dialect of government goddledegook used by bureaucrats who are so deeply sunk into details and making sure every possible contingency is covered that they aren't able to express themselves in any understandable way.)

PS: 2coils has given you, and us all, some very good advice!

Thank you for reaffirming I am not alone...Its just confusing, I have no clue what it says and what I have learned of the history of the FDA in our kool-aid, well, I guess I just have this skewed view of this , here is my looking glass if you will...I've been looking at this for an hour trying to edit my responce so it won't get deleted, banned, or make me sound like a conspiracy nut, because I am not...just after living and studying a bit of history and what not abroad I have a slighty different perspective than I used too. I am going to go on a little long winded rant because I have these questions and this seems like the best place to ask them...I am trying to make a serious issue more understandable to my level and might go off topic a bit, but I just have questions and sometimes I kinda see the answers and sometimes I am more confused...so please just skip this one over and ignore it but don't ban it...I am honestly curious to know what other people think..

I had to learn not just German, But Swiss German (there is a BIG diference) in like 0 seconds flat when I was there working out the details of my separation from my wife to just survive...and I never will be fluent, I am sure of that. But, except for their legal "gobbledygook"I had to work threw to get my visa, the language is easier to understand than this...I swear who ever came up with this legal mumbo jumbo deserves to go to "that special level of hell that is reserved for child molesters and people who talk in the movie theater..." The founding fathers came here running, kicking, and screaming away from being persecuted for the desire for religious freedom...and they wanted to live where they could be free...they weren't harming anyone....and the constitution was born...and freedom from taxation without representations....i know I am speaking very broadly but it feels like it is happening again. When Washington State alone privatized liquor the sintax was like 3 or 4 bucks a liter on top of sales and other taxes and it wasn't low before that....our cigarette sintax is up to 30.85 for a carton, and that's not counting other taxes....I just feel like this is a way for the goverment to pinch us for taxes....my history is a little fuzzy but they banned tobacco once before and it caused violent mob style retaliation and we all know about liquor prohibitions... I just get this feeling they're going to try to ban all APV's again while they can figure out how to regulate and tax them, and then hand them over to Tobacco and Pharma so everyone's revenue is restored and life can go on status quo. And everyone wins but us...the people that actually use the products they're trying to regulate and ban.

From my limited understanding all I see is the FDA, The Feds, Big Tobacco, and Big Pharma are starting to loose serious money to this "e-cigarette thing" and after the FDA tried to seize and then ban then the first time and lost on both counts they're coming back hurt and looking for revenge and trying to pinch us again since they couldn't get their way the first times. I wish I could prove there is pressure from the Fed's and Big Pharma and Tobacco to get revenue back up by pinching us... but given how long it took them to even admit cigarettes were harmful to people I doubt it will ever happen. So can I prove it? No...is it conspiracy theory type stuff? Yes...but it makes more sense to me than this "gobbledygook" I am reading here. If they can't tax it we can't have it...sound about right? How can they have to put deeming regulations and bans on all "novelty tobacco items" but can also exempt the regulations as see'd fit? My brain hurts..

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Ok...I know that was a little :offtopic: so before you throw the :rules: book at me please tell me I am not far off the mark? because my little joke "disclaimer" feels like what the government is doing to us now and some times on the local level the reason for it is simply " I just don't like it, it looks like smoke so it must be bad like smoke and I don't want it anywhere in the same breathing atmosphere as me."

It just frusterates me...I am never sure which thread I can even post things like this in without being deleted and getting a slap on the wrist...I don't want to say the wrong thing in the wrong place but if we can speak our mind, even if it dances around a subject instead of straight for it, how can I get someone outside of here to listen to me?
 

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Yakima is a hundred and 130 mile drive from me...it takes 2-3 hours depending on the weather and traffic because you have to go over a couple big mountains either way to get there...it would be a bit far for me to carry the torch in person but I would be more than happy to phone it in...I don't force feed information about e-ciggs down peoples throats. If they ask me nicely I answer them nicely. If they are rude to me about using them in their "airspace" I ask them kindly what is so bothersome about something that has no harmful chemicals and hardly any smell if any? If their answer is "it is simply offending to me" I ask them why and if they continue to just be ignorant I move off...pick and choose your battles. If someone tells me I can not use my e-cigarettes inside I politely ask to see in writing the no "vaping" rules of the estabishment or business I am at. I am not rude or put up a fight about it...I just simply like to see people's policies in writing. And when I am in someone else's car or house that doesn't smoke or vape at all I am respectful and go outside out of courtesy because I would expect the same courtesy about things that bother me in my home so I think that is fair. I am not rude, and I try to send emails, I think I am going to move it up to phone calls. I post things on facebook and send out as much non-bias information as I can find. Even some of the fellow vapers I know, sadly, don't want to help...they just want to be able to vape and go just like smoking and that be the end of it.

My point being is if people want to stay ignorant or refuse to stand up for our rights...how can you try and convince them without crossing the "perverbial line'? I posted this hoping someone from Yakima would see it and hopefully respond. I put it up in the Washington State Vapors Group...and so far the only responce the first day is from New Jersey...that tells me two things...there are people out there that what to fight for our rights (not just to party), and apparently it's not the guy in Yakima so far. I am hoping that it is just because the locals haven't seen it yet. :fingers crossed: thank your responces...it is reassuring to know I am not alone. I was going to post this in the other thread but after reading this I feel that my next post below this one is safer here since it elaborates one what I am trying to say about getting peoples attention and the struggle with the FDA, not just in Yakima were the perfect example of the front line starts.

Thank you again....I look forward to your response....and I appreciate all the advice and help I can get...I am not afraid to admit I am wrong...just show me what I need to correct so I can correct it, it drives me nuts when people just say I am wrong and don't back it up because they think that all they need to be is right.

Happy Hoidays and Happy Vaping and please read on below... :toast:
I was referring to force feeding the politicians the CORRECT info in regard to e-cigs. Not the average citizen. Probably a bad choice of words on my part.
 
I was referring to force feeding the politicians the CORRECT info in regard to e-cigs. Not the average citizen. Probably a bad choice of words on my part.

I understand,,,but I think we need to feed the non smoker's correct info more...I agree we need to get congress the right info and fast and convince them that it is the truth...but I think we need the non smokers/vapors help more. If there is no one to complain or appose us then the FDA just looks like big brother rearing its big ugly head...if no one is bothered and everyone thinks Vaping is a good thing then how can the government ban it? I know you could reason this arguement for other things but that's were the reality of the situation comes in...we are all supposed to be adults here and know what's good for us and what's not. There is a huge difference between vaping and other things that we all know are bad no matter how much our appeal...if we need the FDA to police ourselfs and keep us away from those bad things for us and can't hold ourselfs accountable as adults then we are in way deeper trouble than than should vaping be banned.

Is this making any sense? Like i've said before, sometimes I've been known to ramble :)
 

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I understand,,,but I think we need to feed the non smoker's correct info more...I agree we need to get congress the right info and fast and convince them that it is the truth...but I think we need the non smokers/vapors help more. If there is no one to complain or appose us then the FDA just looks like big brother rearing its big ugly head...if no one is bothered and everyone thinks Vaping is a good thing then how can the government ban it? I know you could reason this arguement for other things but that's were the reality of the situation comes in...we are all supposed to be adults here and know what's good for us and what's not. There is a huge difference between vaping and other things that we all know are bad no matter how much our appeal...if we need the FDA to police ourselfs and keep us away from those bad things for us and can't hold ourselfs accountable as adults then we are in way deeper trouble than than should vaping be banned.

Is this making any sense? Like i've said before, sometimes I've been known to ramble :)
Oh I agree, we need help from all angles. Problem is we are getting clobbered both in the media and with state/local regulators. Not to mention all of these skewed studies that put vaping in a bad light. There is an immediate need to refute and expose all of the lies and mis-information that is plastered over media outlets everywhere.
 
Oh I agree, we need help from all angles. Problem is we are getting clobbered both in the media and with state/local regulators. Not to mention all of these skewed studies that put vaping in a bad light. There is an immediate need to refute and expose all of the lies and mis-information that is plastered over media outlets everywhere.

Oh I agree...but sometimes I read threw these threads and wonder if we go back and forth about things ourselfs as much as congress...and we're supposed to be on the same side...I know we're all friendly and here for the same thing but just try and yell "Provari's suck!" in the middle of their thread and run for your life...it will be like trying to outrun stampeding cattle...now if we can just focus that energy outward instead of keeping it in the forum.... :danger:
 

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What gets me is they are trying to ban NICOTINE Vaporizers in a state where its all fine and dandy to smoke, vape, ingest "other" stuff??? I really don't understand that one?

That is because Washington is home of anti-nicotine zealots (only second to California). Yakima is such a filthy stinky crap hole I figured vaping would be encourage, might cover some of the smell. Seriously I hate going there! Guess it's easier to pick at ex-smokers, rather than the legions of criminals. Of course the criminals commit crimes, and dealing with that takes actual work :facepalm:
 
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