I dont let ppl stop me from vaping. I understand the whole,"be polite'' deal but im trying to quit analogs, no one is going to stand in my way. Sorry. You dont want to listen or be proactive, fine, ill take my business elsewhere. End of story.
We don't allow anything that LOOKS like smoking.
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I believe that should read :"The only reason smoking has not been completely banned is because no politician is willing to face millions of nic-fitting adults who might have access to firearms and wish to have a discussion with someone responsible for their pain/withdrawal"
A business exists to make a profit period. That it serves a public need is just a means to an end.
But that's the thing. So what if your dollars go elsewhere? There are a lot more non vapers than vapers. Would they rather lose 20 customers, or one obnoxious one who thinks the world owes him a living?
As a vaper, I say get rid of the one.
Some of you give vapers a bad name. Seriously, it's embarrassing.
Noone is going to stand in your way? Give me a fecking break.
I find your posts so well spoken in this thread and agree with what you've said.
I vape a lot. My PV is generally in my hand at all times unless I'm typing. I am also absentminded. This has resulted in me vaping in some places that are definitely non smoking without giving it a second thought. I've never been asked to refrain or leave but if I was I would certainly be respectful of the wishes.
Actually, now that I think about it I had someone ask me to move down the block a bit on the 4th at the parade because some guy sitting by me absolutely hates cigs. I stated it was a vaporizer no smoke and she argued that he wouldn't know the difference. I decided if HE wanted to tell me how he disliked cigs and asked me to move I would but there wasn't an issue...I don't even think he knew!
I vape a lot. My PV is generally in my hand at all times unless I'm typing. I am also absentminded. This has resulted in me vaping in some places that are definitely non smoking without giving it a second thought. I've never been asked to refrain or leave but if I was I would certainly be respectful of the wishes.
Actually, now that I think about it I had someone ask me to move down the block a bit on the 4th at the parade because some guy sitting by me absolutely hates cigs. I stated it was a vaporizer no smoke and she argued that he wouldn't know the difference. I decided if HE wanted to tell me how he disliked cigs and asked me to move I would but there wasn't an issue...I don't even think he knew!
Meh.. I'm not a sheep. I just pick my battles.
I'm not a confrontational person (I'm just cranky). It's easier for me to convert my coworkers to vaping than it is for me to try to talk to total strangers in a restaurant. I've also vaped in hotels at conventions, and have talked up vaping to folks who ask.
I still think that it's a "new" battle we're fighting, and for me personally, I choose to start where I know my explanation stands a chance of being understood and (again my personal opinion) not on a bunch of anti-cig ninnies who will just look at me sideways.
I'm not a confrontational person (I'm just cranky). It's easier for me to convert my coworkers to vaping than it is for me to try to talk to total strangers in a restaurant. I've also vaped in hotels at conventions, and have talked up vaping to folks who ask.
I still think that it's a "new" battle we're fighting, and for me personally, I choose to start where I know my explanation stands a chance of being understood and (again my personal opinion) not on a bunch of anti-cig ninnies who will just look at me sideways.
I work in a restuarant and our proprieter is an ex-smoker. When the laws against smoking were put into place, he was a very happy guy, but still allowed us to utilize smoke breaks, as well as our normal designated breaks. It's been almost a year since I started vaping, and the question he posed to me when he found out was, "So with that, you can basically smoke indoors right?" My answer was just because I technically "could" vape inside with it, I wouldn't. My reason for this, is because I'm still reaching up hand to mouth, no matter if I have my provari in hand, or if its my eGo. Its problamatic for me to assure him that its safe, when I'm still contaminating my hands.
As far as customers go, he doesn't make a big deal about vaping in the restuarant, but would really prefer that they didn't because of a "family" type atmosphere. If another customer makes a stink about it, my boss explains to them that while he knows what it is due to an employee that works there, he politely asks them not to continue due to the ignorance of others.
We all have our part to play in matters such as this, and while vaping doesn't pose any known dangers to other people that are around the exhaled vapor, we shouldn't go out of our way to insist it be the other way. Educate those that ask, nod to those who give you weird looks, and remind yourself that change doesn't happen overnight, its an ongoing process.
As far as customers go, he doesn't make a big deal about vaping in the restuarant, but would really prefer that they didn't because of a "family" type atmosphere. If another customer makes a stink about it, my boss explains to them that while he knows what it is due to an employee that works there, he politely asks them not to continue due to the ignorance of others.
We all have our part to play in matters such as this, and while vaping doesn't pose any known dangers to other people that are around the exhaled vapor, we shouldn't go out of our way to insist it be the other way. Educate those that ask, nod to those who give you weird looks, and remind yourself that change doesn't happen overnight, its an ongoing process.
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
Or in this scenario - If we want others to become tolerant of our vaping than we should start by becoming tolerant or their misunderstandings.
Or in this scenario - If we want others to become tolerant of our vaping than we should start by becoming tolerant or their misunderstandings.
That depends on what is ment by "tolerant of their misunderstandings". There is a balance that needs to be struck between vaping around others and never vaping around others. For example, only vaping around smokers is NOT the answer to educating others to the fact that vaping is not harmful to others. More than enough studies have shown that it is not harmful to others. Sitting in a packed restruant and blowing vaper in other people's faces is also not the answer.
If we never vape in the open where the uninformed can see it and present the opportunity to explain that it is completely different than smoking from a safety standpoint, then the uninformed will stay uninformed.
Your boss might want to look into the CASAA door decal (or maybe you can just get one for them) CASAA Anywhere "No Smoking" Sticker - CASAA
"tolerant of their misunderstandings" simply means not acting like a jackwagon and getting one's panties in a bunch because someone isn't willing to accept a complete strangers word that it is completely harmless. Besides it is far too early in the game to try and claim completely harmless. Sure there are plenty of encouraging studies but no where near enough data to make long term conclusions yet.
Look how long it took to figure out that analogs were bad for you. Hell, in the early 50's it was advertised that Dr's recommended smoking Camels over any other brand.
And nowhere in any of my posts have I advocated hiding in the shadows to vape unless you are in a situation that warrants it such as a location where it is outright banned or you have been asked by a proprietor not to do so.
we were told for YEARS that smoking was good for us, that it was harmless, that it got rid of terrible things like asthma etc. Most people will assume just because you SAY its harmless, it isn't, just like analogs were touted as the great medicine, they weren't.
This is not the "50's". The advances that have been made in medical analysis is light years beyond 50 years ago. When most of the studies already conducted have been conducted by vehment anti-smoking doctors, that tells me they would not be advocating vaping if they thought there was a chance it could hurt others.
You are inferring that the current studies have not been done well and that vaping must pass the 50 year milestone before it can be deemed safe for those near a person who is vaping. That just defies common sense and logic if you read the studies and have a clue as to why smoking is harmful to others. The chemical properties of vapor is as different than the chemical properties of tobacco smoke as car exhaust direct from the tail pipe is to air in the Swiss Alps.
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No actually I'm not wv2win, I have read the information, however my point was that the thoughts of that nature are very prevalent in our world, I realize I should have made that clearer but did not at the time. I'm not attempting to get into an argument.
Yes technology has advanced greatly in the past 60 years but to my knowledge time travel and the ability to see into the future are still not available. Therefore it doesn't really matter what technology is available now compared to 60 years ago. There is still no way to know long term effects!!!!!
Go look up the VERY long list of things the FDA has deemed as safe based on initial testing (using all of the modern methods available) that have since been recalled. Do I think it is likely safe YES, but I cannot guarantee it or prove it beyond all doubt.
The chemical properties of cyanide and selenium are vastly different yet both can kill you so what does that statement prove?
(Note: selenium is a trace mineral that is essential to our bodies in very small amounts and becomes toxic when intake exceeds 400 - 800 micrograms a day. Long term continual overexposure can lead to death)
wv2win - You keep coming at me like I am either against or ashamed of vaping. I am neither. I proudly vape and will likely die someday with a pv between my lips. I have talked to other smokers and non smokers about it constantly and spent countless hours answering questions people have asked.
All I am trying to say is that if someone objects to it even when presented with the evidence that is currently available they still have every right to reject that evidence. I also can't blame them if they do because there are plenty of bs, intentionally skewed, psuedo-science studies out there in many different fields to fuel their skepticism. (I AM NOT SAYING THE VAPING STUDIES FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY)
So when I encounter someone who steadfastly objects to it despite my explanations the only sensible thing to so is move on while sadly shaking my head as they climb into their gas guzzling SUV's and drive off.
I am not saying their opinion is right but rather that they have a right to their opinion the same as all of us do and that becoming belligerent does nothing to change that. If anything, it reinforces it. If we are really lucky and they encounter enough us us behaving respectfully then maybe their opinion will change over time.
Edit: I am in no way trying to imply you are acting belligerent with your posts or your position that it is safe. For the most part I DO agree with you.
All I am trying to say is that if someone objects to it even when presented with the evidence that is currently available they still have every right to reject that evidence. I also can't blame them if they do because there are plenty of bs, intentionally skewed, psuedo-science studies out there in many different fields to fuel their skepticism. (I AM NOT SAYING THE VAPING STUDIES FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY)
So when I encounter someone who steadfastly objects to it despite my explanations the only sensible thing to so is move on while sadly shaking my head as they climb into their gas guzzling SUV's and drive off.
I am not saying their opinion is right but rather that they have a right to their opinion the same as all of us do and that becoming belligerent does nothing to change that. If anything, it reinforces it. If we are really lucky and they encounter enough us us behaving respectfully then maybe their opinion will change over time.
Edit: I am in no way trying to imply you are acting belligerent with your posts or your position that it is safe. For the most part I DO agree with you.
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I agree with you on several fronts. Anyone has the right to be devoid of comman sense and the wherewithal to deem a new technology as unsafe even though the abundance of evidence says otherwise. I also agree with you that it makes no sense to argue in a "boneheaded" manner with anyone who isn't interested in learning the significant differences between two activities that are similar in appearance.
I am much more vehement in my approach on this forum than I am with the "man on the street" because I expect those who vape to be much better informed and see the need to advocate for vaping in an intelligent manner. There are some on ECF who have requirements for vaping that Mother Teresa could not meet if she had vaped.
I just do not believe that it is in the best interest of those who vape, to allow non-vapers to "frame" the arguement of what vaping "is" and what it "is not". I see too many who vape fall into the trap that because it replaces smoking then it must be deemed exactly the same as smoking with all the same stigma and prohibitions as smoking. If we as vapers allow that to happen through our own backward thinking, then we deserve for vaping to be banned and prohibited.
I can certainly understand your perspective, but I'd hate to think you've been forced to become a social recluse just because you've traded a deadly addiction for a healthier alternative. Maybe there is a local group that can point you to places in your area that accept vaping? At least you know one place that won't be getting your future business.
I haven't been vaping long, but the first time I did it in public I had an interesting experience. I was at a backyard barbecue with lots of parents. Some I knew and some I didn't. Once the kids went inside, I pulled out my eCig and started puffing (someone else had lit up a tobacco pipe). There was a woman there who had joined a group that advocates for a ban on vaping because of the "danger" they pose to children, i.e. the whole "gateway drug" argument. After talking to her for a while (armed with all the info I've absorbed from reading this forum), I believe I had at least convinced her that it is a positive thing for adult smokers who want to quit the analogs.
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