We need more info from China

[Fat B*stard]

Many of us have tried getting info from the Chinese manufacturers of e-cigs and consumables on the ingredients of e-liquid and have had a mixed but generally poor response. Our suppliers (growing in number daily but not in quality) generally are unable/unwilling to offer any more advice.

Isn't it about time that this forum elected someone (I would have suggested Kate, but now SJ - hey, any other volunteers?) to raise these issues on our behalf? Would it not be a good idea to have one representative of this forum who has the authority to speak for us all?

Anyone who has had any dealings with the Chinese will know that numbers matter. We need a united representation if we are ever to get our consumers' demands heard.

 

[Duckies]

It would help if they were multi-lingual in Chinese (Mandarin? Not sure which provinces these mfg are) and English.

 

[flexy123]

you can look at royalsmokers DOT com , there are some PDFs in regards to liquid contents.

of course, it all reads great on that site.

What they say is basically its all PG, Vitamins (used as emulsifier and preservatives) and other "natural and healthy" ingredients - however take this with a grain of salt since its on the mfr site

Also..the issue is more complex since its not only about "whats in the liquids"...but also about how those ingredients act if heated up....so what we need is REAL testing and not just "ni hau ma. My name is chang and it is healthy" statements <--

I am all for real FDA testing since i want to know this stuff.

 

[trog100]

I am all for real FDA testing since i want to know this stuff

which would take ten years and during this time the stuff would be banned..

the chinese invented and gave us e cigs.. you ether trust em or you dont.. pretty simple really..

all the FDA is likely to do is take the easy way and ban the things

and the more "i dont trust this stuff" comments there are the more this is likely to happen..

as for the chinese.. they are over worked.. the demand is far greater than the supply.. we are not in a position to dictate to them..

there is the real world and the dream world... take yer pick which one u want to live in..

trog

 

[surbitonPete]

which would take ten years and during this time the stuff would be banned..

the chinese invented and gave us e cigs.. you ether trust em or you dont.. pretty simple really..

all the FDA is likely to do is take the easy way and ban the things

and the more "i dont trust this stuff" comments there are the more this is likely to happen..

as for the chinese.. they are over worked.. the demand is far greater than the supply.. we are not in a position to dictate to them..

there is the real world and the dream world... take yer pick which one u want to live in..

trog

I am afraid Trog is completely right.....and has summed up the whole situation in that post.

 

[KDMickey]

What about the labs that other liquid manufacturers have used to test the contents? Consumers could have any e-liquid analyzed.

 

[Phalse]

I like (most of) the chinese suppliers and trust them, I also like most of the UK suppliers and modders like janty and SD(trogg) they are very polite like other posters have mentioned and they actually listen to any comments you make, trying to improve their customer service and business (unlike) a lot of other companies.

 

[taz3cat]

Bestecigs list their ingrediants on their web site. I thinks it is list under introduction to e-liquid on the left column. they don't discuss any studies or what happens when heat is applied.

I have never order any e-liquid from them so I don't know how good their e-liquid is. I just order parts from them.

 

[Phalse]

Hi, if you use wikipedia to search for like ruyan and electronic cig, you will find tons of stuff and detailed studies.
Of course you don't have to believe the wikipage it self, but the conclusions on wiki pages are most often cited and if they are cited you can scroll to the bottom of the page and find the detailed info.
Like ruyan testing info, detailed liquid specs and studies on toxicity

 

[Fat B*stard]

It would help if they were multi-lingual in Chinese (Mandarin? Not sure which provinces these mfg are) and English.

Best we can hope for is Chinlish. People - we can demand better!

 

[Phalse]

Hey, we dont know any of their language. Think how much effort you have to put into learning a language, being a full grown adult, if you dont have a natural genetic talent for learning languages (polygot)

 

[Fat B*stard]

Already this thread has degenerated into general discussions. Can we get back to the original question of a representative for the forum?

 

[trog100]

Bestecigs list their ingrediants on their web site. I thinks it is list under introduction to e-liquid on the left column. they don't discuss any studies or what happens when heat is applied.

I have never order any e-liquid from them so I don't know how good their e-liquid is. I just order parts from them.

all the stuff (liquid) we use comes from besteicg.. they are on our recommend list..

but apart from using it ourselves for many months without problems i cant say much more.. we like the 24 mg flue cured its very clear much like water to look at.. but its each to is own with taste and stuff.. i just placed a 600 dollar order with beci tonight.. i expect it within ten days.. wrapped like a big football in tons of bubble wrap... very customs proof...he he

trog

 

[trog100]

Already this thread has degenerated into general discussions. Can we get back to the original question of a representative for the forum?

yes it has... sorry... he he

trog

 

[Phalse]

hahahha love big bubble wrap foot balls, stuff is protected and you can see through there a little bit, dang good idea!

Whats the original idea of this thread?

We need a rep from this forum to talk to chinese suppliers and help them redo their websites?

 

[Fat B*stard]

Hey, we dont know any of their language. Think how much effort you have to put into learning a language, being a full grown adult, if you dont have a natural genetic talent for learning languages (polygot)

Aint no b@stard ever called me a polygot and lived, boy!

You callin' me out?

High noon dude

 

[Phalse]

hehehehhe, lol that commercial where the interviewer asks if he is polygot and he just goes ummmmmm,uuuhhhhhhhhh ummmmmmmm

 

[flexy123]

well of course i STRONGLY oppose a ban "because its not tested yet".

I dont need to mention that this would be absurd.

By the way...little comparison:

There are many "fat" people and its known that obesity is also a BIG problem for the society. Overweight people also cannot stop eating...and many try "quitting" and try to lose weight, but they cannot for various reasons.

Now..there are things like "artificial sweeteners" which people can use to reduce intake of sugar.

its pretty known that some of them cause cancer! Still...you can go into your local store and buy drinks which contain aspertame...etc.. - the FDA does NOT ban them, and its pretty known they're harmful!

So..what would be the reason given to ban "ecigs"? "Because we dont know..that's why we ban them...?" <---

I still want to push that we have rigorous testing - but NO ban until those tests are done, of course.

Please...let's take one of those "ban ecigs!" supporters - i want to see one of them standing in front of a crowd of SMOKERS and say:

"Smokers! We are banning ecigs. Please return back to your old habits of smoking real cigarettes. Its the better alternative!"

There is 100% and absolutely NO logic in this, we all know that.

if it takes 10 years to test...so be it. But until this date there is no evidence supporting that ecigs are HARMFUL - while there is plenty, plenty evidence that real cigs are.

 

[JazzFan]

What kind of info are you looking for? Many Chinese factories will produce anything you want - they aren't concerned about ingredients or safety. I'm not going to spam here, but companies like Ruyan do have extensive testing results to support their products. Many of these companies are producing knock-offs for a cheap price - testing isn't at the top of their list of priorities.

 

[DCrist721]

Totally Wicked lists all the ingredients on their box.