weird throat burn...

[srpurdy]

I started vaping in Sept 2015. So I am still fairly new to it. I am a direct to lung vaper. So I use right now a 40Watt eLeaf, with Triton 2 sub-ohm tank using the new 0.5ohm Clapton coils.

I have 1 tabaco flavored liquid which I like for the most part. I vape always 12mg. This one I can do 5 second or more burns without any problems. (50vg/50pg) I have another elquid that is made by the same people different brand though. That is also 12mg and is French Vanilla 70vg/30pg. When I vape this I find it burns my throat. I don't cough. It just burns my throat. I can't honestly get more than 2.5 second burns it is just too intense.

I run both liquids at 35 watts, but I find I have to dial back the French Vanilla to 30 watts in order to try to enjoy it.

I did a lot of reading on the subject, so I did a bunch of testing to find the cause but I still don't know why lol. Other people love this liquid so I don't really know why I have this trouble with it.

Funny enough I thought maybe it is the vg that is the problem. I'm in the process of making my own DIY 50/50 to see if I have any issues with it. I tried drinking lots of water and believe it or not it actually makes it worse! If I wake up in the morning and take a few hits it is fine, but if I go have breakfest or consume ANYTHING than the throat burn is 10 times worse.

I'm doing very light long inhails like proper vaping. I really am at a loss. The only thing I can think of is my body doesn't like the extra vg. Which from my research more people seem to have issues with PG, which I don't.

Any insight would be cool!
On the bright side is I've completely kicked my 20 year smoking habbit!

Maybe I'm just weird. I don't know lol

Thanks for reading

 

[CloudZ]

Try 6 mg nic. 12 mg is a lot for the setup you are running. Also some flavors and additives are more harsh than others depending on the user.

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[Liskrig]

Congratulations on kicking the habit!

This is a good one... While I couldn't imagine sub-ohm vaping 12 mg, it could be an ingredient in that liquid that is not present in the other. I find that most flavor descriptions are not too accurate. The french vanilla may have some clove, or cinnamon in it, to break up how rich the vanilla is, or it could be as simple as a mislabeling of nicotine (if it is mixed in-store... I've had this happen). Do you happen to have another flavor around other than the tobacco and French vanilla one? I'd say the VG is having trouble wicking in the tank, and causing burnt hits, but Aspire's products handle high-VG amazingly well.

 

[srpurdy]

hmm I can give 6mg a shot I guess at some point. I read that somewhere also that 12 is high for these setup. Which makes me wonder if the tobacco one I have is mislabeled lol. I only got this tank about 2 weeks ago, I really like this tank also. It does a really nice job. My previous tank I wasn't really using it properly, incorrect vaping technique lol. So I don't have a good comparsion, but I did find things more harsh in it. This one feels smoother. I don't have any liquids around right now that are ready. my DIY liquid is steeping right now. Was only mixed 2 days ago, but I'll give it a taste test in about 5 days and see how that goes. Since that is also 12mg. Although really I think based on mixing ratios it will be more like 10.2 to 10.8 but it will be an interesting test just the same.

 

[srpurdy]

ah wth. I tasted some of my DIY tobacco. it doesn't burn my throat it is stronger though. So maybe the nic level is lower in the so called 12mg tobacco I bought. So it could be some added ingredient in the French Vanilla that I don't like. The flavor on my DIY liquid is decent for 2 days steeping lol. I'm surprised it's not half bad. lol

It's going back into the dark drawer though.

 

[440BB]

In my experience vanillas won't handle higher temperatures as well as tobaccos or menthols. That burning of the flavoring sounds like it may be the cause. You may find that the vanilla is fine at lower power, or it just may be an irritating flavor for you. Each of us has different reactions to PG, VG, nic and flavorings. Welcome to ECF and finding what fits your particular style of vaping!

 

[srpurdy]

In my experience vanillas won't handle higher temperatures as well as tobaccos or menthols. That burning of the flavoring sounds like it may be the cause. You may find that the vanilla is fine at lower power, or it just may be an irritating flavor for you. Each of us has different reactions to PG, VG, nic and flavorings. Welcome to ECF and finding what fits your particular style of vaping!

Thanks yeah. I'm going to give this half bottle to a friend. I don't really like it haha. I tried mixing it with other stuff but it didn't really help. So someone else can enjoy it. I know he likes it so.

 

[Garnoch]

First, congratulations!!

I have the same setup as you, as well as others, and vape around the same wattage as you too - sometimes as low as 30, sometimes as high as 45, usually around 38. I personally think the burning you describe is a harshness due to the flavoring/ingredients, so I'd actually suggest trying some other brands. I'm all for throat hit (sometimes), but the burning harness is something I equate to cheap when I vape it.

VG mellows a juice, and creates more clouds. PG gives more throat hit and so does higher nic level. Yet I have 50/50 6mg juice that's much less harsh than many 80/20 (VG/PG) 3mg juice. Why? I can only assume it's the ingredients. I usually equate that specifically to the flavorings used, but it could be the quality of any of the ingredients.

That being said, I would still cut down your nic quite a bit, it should help. Here's my example. Halo is a premium vendor and before going sub ohm, their Tribeca (tobacco) was my go to juice at 18mg. It still is my wife's. It's said to be about 20/80, mostly PG, and it has great throat hit, but isn't "harsh". It doesn't taste cheap. Since using a sub ohm device though, I had to move away from that. If I lowered the nic, it lost all the flavor, and still hit too hard on a sub ohm device. I went back to the drawing board and discovered I like fruit flavors and that's where I've been. But recently, Halo came out with a 70/30 VG line of some of their flavors. So I tried Tribeca again. I knew it had a strong throat hit (again though, not a burning harness), so I bought 6mg, 3mg and 1.5 mg. Even though my current all day vape is 50/50 Propaganda Illuminati at 6mg, Tribeca 70/30 6mg had way more throat hit. It shouldn't right? But it does. Again, not the burning harshness you had, but I'm sure you see what I mean - it's in the ingredients, even in premium juices. Tribeca 1.5mg was very nice and smooth, but didn't equate to the 20/80 PG blend at 18mg on a mouth to lung device. Tribeca 3mg nailed that taste and experience though.

My point is that although you may need to lower your nic, there are a lot of factors, and a lot of that has to do with the flavoring and the quality of ingredients in general. Play around, try things and experiment. Good luck!

 

[srpurdy]

First, congratulations!!

I have the same setup as you, as well as others, and vape around the same wattage as you too - sometimes as low as 30, sometimes as high as 45, usually around 38. I personally think the burning you describe is a harshness due to the flavoring/ingredients, so I'd actually suggest trying some other brands. I'm all for throat hit (sometimes), but the burning harness is something I equate to cheap when I vape it.

VG mellows a juice, and creates more clouds. PG gives more throat hit and so does higher nic level. Yet I have 50/50 6mg juice that's much less harsh than many 80/20 (VG/PG) 3mg juice. Why? I can only assume it's the ingredients. I usually equate that specifically to the flavorings used, but it could be the quality of any of the ingredients.

That being said, I would still cut down your nic quite a bit, it should help. Here's my example. Halo is a premium vendor and before going sub ohm, their Tribeca (tobacco) was my go to juice at 18mg. It still is my wife's. It's said to be about 20/80, mostly PG, and it has great throat hit, but isn't "harsh". It doesn't taste cheap. Since using a sub ohm device though, I had to move away from that. If I lowered the nic, it lost all the flavor, and still hit too hard on a sub ohm device. I went back to the drawing board and discovered I like fruit flavors and that's where I've been. But recently, Halo came out with a 70/30 VG line of some of their flavors. So I tried Tribeca again. I knew it had a strong throat hit (again though, not a burning harness), so I bought 6mg, 3mg and 1.5 mg. Even though my current all day vape is 50/50 Propaganda Illuminati at 6mg, Tribeca 70/30 6mg had way more throat hit. It shouldn't right? But it does. Again, not the burning harshness you had, but I'm sure you see what I mean - it's in the ingredients, even in premium juices. Tribeca 1.5mg was very nice and smooth, but didn't equate to the 20/80 PG blend at 18mg on a mouth to lung device. Tribeca 3mg nailed that taste and experience though.

My point is that although you may need to lower your nic, there are a lot of factors, and a lot of that has to do with the flavoring and the quality of ingredients in general. Play around, try things and experiment. Good luck!

Thanks man, first few weeks were hard as I was addicted to something other than nicotine, but after that it's been clear sailing. I did slip up about a month later, but it was mostly because I ran out of juice in the middle of the night lol. After trying a smoke I almost puked.... I couldn't believe how bad it was. Anyone that knows me would know that, that is scary as I got a strong stomach lol. So that was an interesting event. I ended up crushing those smokes! something I've never done before! When you smoke for 20 years you really lose that nasty taste, but after not smoking for only 1 month it was apparent how nasty it was lol.

Anyway I am planning on trying a lower nic level 6mg and seeing how that goes also. I am finding 12 is a little intense with the clapton 0.5 ohm coils, but I like the flavor they give lol. I tried the 1.8ohm mouth to lung coil, but I didn't really like it. I found it was like smoking air. So I quickly discarded that as I need more throat hit, and flavor. It is a bit weird that I like DTL since it's a different way to smoke, and at first I was not used to direct to lung smoking. It took me months to actually do it properly lol, but now I love that method. Maybe it will change later as I find I been changing things up every so often as I get used to vaping, but for now Direct to Lung is my go to.

The thing I like most is my monster immune system is coming back. Back in the day I could go 10 years without getting sick, and I went from that to getting sick twice a year. I would be scared to be around anyone sick. Now I can get the beginings of a cold, and fight it off in a few hours. It's nice to have that back.

 

[sparkky1]

My suggestion, being this early in the game, would be to use a few different juice manufactures as well as flavors on hand.If you decide DIY is what you want to invest in, let me know and I will help you in that direction, either way there will be an upfront cost, obviously the store bought will be more but you really need to start thinking of it as an "investment in your health", largely cheaper than pulmonary specialist visits.
Now as for the nicotine mg levels .......... 12mg with a .5 dual clapton is beast mode, I personally would have a very hard time being comfortable at that mg level with that set up to say the least, as a suggestion I would have a 3mg and 6mg for the bad day's to come, try the 3mg for mornings or throughout the day and 6mg when you feel the need, believe me when I say your getting twice the amount from your current device / coils than your old set up with the same mg, especially now that your incorporating a denser vapor with deep lung hits .............

 

[srpurdy]

My suggestion, being this early in the game, would be to use a few different juice manufactures as well as flavors on hand.If you decide DIY is what you want to invest in, let me know and I will help you in that direction, either way there will be an upfront cost, obviously the store bought will be more but you really need to start thinking of it as an "investment in your health", largely cheaper than pulmonary specialist visits.
Now as for the nicotine mg levels .......... 12mg with a .5 dual clapton is beast mode, I personally would have a very hard time being comfortable at that mg level with that set up to say the least, as a suggestion I would have a 3mg and 6mg for the bad day's to come, try the 3mg for mornings or throughout the day and 6mg when you feel the need, believe me when I say your getting twice the amount from your current device / coils than your old set up with the same mg, especially now that your incorporating a denser vapor with deep lung hits .............

Yeah I already invested in some bases. I bought actually 480ml of 12mg base 50/50 lol. USP Koshier grade. I just bought some 0mg base to mix in to lower it to 6mg. I will only do this to some of the liquid I already produced that is steeping right now, and test. See if I even like it lol. So far though even at 12mg it okay not really any different actually. My recipe can maybe use a bit of tweaking, but other than that it is similar to other liquids.. It's really not that expensive. I was spending like $45 every two weeks before at like $22 a bottle before. This comes out to less than $8 a bottle, and the amount I have now will last me a really long ... time, and I'm sure I can get it cheaper. I just figured I would start small, and see how I like it first. I only put maybe $180 into it so far. Really not that bad. I spend more on fast food lol! I will definitely be trying other combinations though and experimenting a bit. I want to find something I can vape all day and not really need to think too much about it. that over the long haul is cheaper

But I am always down for some advice on DIY as I just started last week lol

I could say it is better than some store liquid for sure. There is some nasty stuff out there lol, but I'm not going to say it is the bomb yet. I'm pretty objective person lol. Anyway it is still too new to really tell it is only 3 days steeping right now.

 

[sparkky1]

Yeah I already invested in some bases. I bought actually 480ml of 12mg base 50/50 lol. USP Koshier grade. I just bought some 0mg base to mix in to lower it to 6mg. I will only do this to some of the liquid I already produced that is steeping right now, and test. See if I even like it lol. So far though even at 12mg it okay not really any different actually. My recipe can maybe use a bit of tweaking, but other than that it is similar to other liquids.. It's really not that expensive. I was spending like $45 every two weeks before at like $22 a bottle before. This comes out to less than $8 a bottle, and the amount I have now will last me a really long ... time, and I'm sure I can get it cheaper. I just figured I would start small, and see how I like it first. I only put maybe $180 into it so far. Really not that bad. I spend more on fast food lol! I will definitely be trying other combinations though and experimenting a bit. I want to find something I can vape all day and not really need to think too much about it. that over the long haul is cheaper

But I am always down for some advice on DIY as I just started last week lol

I could say it is better than some store liquid for sure. There is some nasty stuff out there lol, but I'm not going to say it is the bomb yet. I'm pretty objective person lol. Anyway it is still too new to really tell it is only 3 days steeping right now.

What is the brand of nicotine base are you using ?
What brands do you use for flavoring concentrates ?
What do you use to calculate ratios and what do you measure with ?

 

[srpurdy]

What is the brand of nicotine base are you using ?
What brands do you use for flavoring concentrates ?
What do you use to calculate ratios and what do you measure with ?

The Nicotine base doesn't have any branding. It is from an online shop. pre-mixed 50/50 12mg. I can post the site here? I don't know if it's allowed? The base is nice and clear though. So it seems like good quality stuff. Says it is USP grade. By all means I'm not locked to this place or anything so if you have suggestions that would be cool. I would prefer to find a place in Canada though as I don't want any delays at the border or duty fees crazy taxes or anything like that.

The flavorings I am using are Capella and Prefume Apprentice? I heard some good things about Capella, but I haven't done much research on PA. I have mostly Capella flavors right now.

I use % to calculate ratios. So for example 85% base. 10%, flavor 5% some other flavor or 15% of one flavor. whatever mix I feel like. I use a 5ml syringe to measure the liquids.
I go by % because if I'm just testing a recipe I'll make it in a 10ml bottle, and will triple that recipe if I like it in a 30ml later. So the % is an easier way to calculate the ml amounts.

Since the flavors are PG based the ratio will shift to more PG based at the end liquid, and the nicotine level I guess will drop slightly from 12 to like 10.2 or 10.8 since a % of the liquid is flavoring.

I may try a 30/70 mix later of more VG to shift back the PG levels closer to 50/50 but for now see how this goes lol.

 

[sparkky1]

The Nicotine base doesn't have any branding. It is from an online shop. pre-mixed 50/50 12mg. I can post the site here? I don't know if it's allowed? The base is nice and clear though. So it seems like good quality stuff. Says it is USP grade. By all means I'm not locked to this place or anything so if you have suggestions that would be cool. I would prefer to find a place in Canada though as I don't want any delays at the border or duty fees crazy taxes or anything like that.

The flavorings I am using are Capella and Prefume Apprentice? I heard some good things about Capella, but I haven't done much research on PA. I have mostly Capella flavors right now.

I use % to calculate ratios. So for example 85% base. 10%, flavor 5% some other flavor or 15% of one flavor. whatever mix I feel like. I use a 5ml syringe to measure the liquids.
I go by % because if I'm just testing a recipe I'll make it in a 10ml bottle, and will triple that recipe if I like it in a 30ml later. So the % is an easier way to calculate the ml amounts.

Since the flavors are PG based the ratio will shift to more PG based at the end liquid, and the nicotine level I guess will drop slightly from 12 to like 10.2 or 10.8 since a % of the liquid is flavoring.

I may try a 30/70 mix later of more VG to shift back the PG levels closer to 50/50 but for now see how this goes lol.

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retired1
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or who he uses ...........

 

[Nimaz]

I had this problem before with my DIY ejuice. I evolved to RBA and TC devices and haven't faced that issue so far except when my temp. is accidentally set too high. Not everyone likes vaping in TC, but that was an easy fix for me.

 

[srpurdy]

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Thanks I sent him a PM. I will take a look at those links too. Thanks I appreciate it!

 

[srpurdy]

Just wanted to thank everyone. I lowered down the nic to 6mg and it's way better!

 

[Gothicmace59]

Here is my two cents...one... I would not sub ohm over 6mg nic...I like 3mg as I can chain vape it if I want without getting too much...two...on any kind of vanilla blends I run a minimum of 65 vg 35 pg...as it can just be a little bitey in my opinion. As I am a flavor chaser... I find that the higher vg does make bigger clouds...but I mainly find it to smooth out the flavor and keep things balanced. Also I has such a sore throat from some nasty dry hits...that I took 10 days off from vaping all together ...today I am happily vaping for the first time and falling in love with my Kitty Milk all over again.