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PaulaLynn

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I've been vaping at work, for 2 years now. No issues at all. Slowly (2 years of people asking what's that and where can I get one) about 1/4 of my entire workplace has switched to vaping. So this is what comes down the wire today.


To all:
1. Effective immediately, Smokeless Cigarettes are not authorized for use within all office buildings, building workspaces and living accommodations within MARLANT and may only be permitted for use outside in designated Smoking Areas. Headress shall be worn, however, saluting in not required when in this area. When an Officer approaches, personnel are to come to attention and acknowledge his/her presence. Smoking shelters are a privilege and not a right and can be revoked at any time.
2. Much research and consultation has taken place between this office, the Base Surgeon, Health Canada and Provincial Health authorities with respect to the Electronic Cigarette products. These products come as electronic cigarettes, cigars, cigarillos and pipes, as well as cartridges of nicotine solutions and related products/paraphanalia. These products fall within the scope of the Food and Drugs Act, and under the Act, require market authorization before they can be imported, advertised or sold. The sale of these products is currently not compliant with the Food and Drugs Act since no electronic smoking products have been granted a market authorization in Canada.
3. Recently, a number of electronic cigarettes, cigars and pipes as well as cartridges of nicotine solutions and related products have been marketed in Canada, and through the Internet. Most of these products are shaped and look like their conventional counterparts. They produce a vapour that resembles smoke and a glow that resembles the tip of a cigarette. They consist of a battery-powered delivery system that vapourizes and delivers a liquid chemical mixture that may be composed of various amounts of nicotine, propylene glycol, and other chemicals. Nicotine is a highly addictive and toxic substance, and the inhalation of propylene glycol is a known irritant. Although these electronic smoking products may be marketed as a safer alternative to conventional tobacco products and, in some cases, as an aid to quitting smoking, electronic smoking products may pose risks such as nicotine poising and addiction. Health Canada has advised that as of this date, there are still no electronic cigarettes that have received authorisation to be sold to Canadians.
4. The DND and CF currently has "authorized" smoking cessation programs and products that personnel can utilize to aid in quitting smoking and all are encouraged to approach Medical Authorities to learn more.
5. Personnel wishing to find out more information may visit the Health Canada website or may call the toll-free hotline at 1-800-267-9675.


now, really, don't really care. Whatever. I am not in any way shape or form dependant on my e-cig, I can take it or leave it, so I can definately not smoke this thing at work. My issue is why would we have to do it in the smoking area? Thats beyond stupid. We might as well just take up smoking again. If they are going to say no to e-cig's in the building, k, but why can't we smoke them in the garden area? They don't smell... there is no burning so no second hand, if they are dangerous, they are only dangerous to the adults who have made the decision to use them. So I don't get it.:unsure:
 

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Sounds like DND and CF has opted to forget their due diligence and has decided to simply regurgitate Health Canada's standard mantra with regard to vaping. What would happen if you decided to appeal this decision by using the argument that you are not a 'smoker' and that by being forced to share the smoking area exposes you to harmful second hand smoke and carcinogens that you have not been subject to for more than 2 years (since switching to ecigs). Tell them that you have plenty of recent studies (available from CASAA) that indicate that vaping has minimized your health risks and exposure to harmful carcinogens associated with conventional smoking.
 
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What burns my .... over all this is: during my lifetime, doctors used to prescribe smoking instead of pills to calm the nerves. Now they've decided "Oops, my bad! It causes problems" and want everyone THEY helped to get addicted to nicotine to get off it.

I tried all the "approved" methods and suffered from some serious issues. Overdose of nicotine because the smallest patch delivered more nicotine than my body could handle.... bleeding ulcer because the champix was so caustic it ate 2 holes into my stomach... TMJ because the gum is so rock hard to chew... JUST TO NAME A FEW

The only method that worked for me is e-cigs and they want me to stop that because it's not fully tested yet.

Yet, it was HC and doctors who got me hooked on cigarettes to begin with. Hypocrites!
 

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It doesn't really surprise me that the DND is taking their stance on this from another government agency. It frustrates me and saddens me, but it doesn't surprise me.

What really floors me about Health Canada's statement is that they say this is dangerous because PG is an irritant and nicotine is poisonous. They still allow the sale of tobacco.

It's like not allowing a factory employee to carry a utility knife while allowing them work elbow-deep in unprotected machinery.

Sigh.
 

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also... another HC lie...

"These products fall within the scope of the Food and Drugs Act, and under the Act, require market authorization before they can be imported, advertised or sold. The sale of these products is currently not compliant with the Food and Drugs Act since no electronic smoking products have been granted a market authorization in Canada.


E-cigs, are exempt from the FDA under Schedule F and therefore do NOT need Market Authorization from HC.
 

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Nicotine and its salts, for human use, except

(a) in natural substances;

(b) in the form of a chewing gum containing 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit;

(c) in the form of a transdermal patch with a delivery rate of 22 mg or less of nicotine per day;

(d) in a form to be administered orally by means of an inhalation device delivering 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit; or

(e) in the form of a lozenge containing 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit
 

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Hey Jay we should work on a memo to fight this, If I go into work tomorrow and my MCpl tells me to stop vaping at my desk I'm going to lose it!

I am not going to go stand in a cold rainy smoke pit with a bunch of tar and stink floating around me while standing in cigarette butts to vape my blueberry flavoured E-Cig.
 

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Hate this, Troll this, flame this comment honestly it does not matter much to me.

With what came down the wire for you does not surprise me in any fashion, and tell the truth i was waiting for this to come to pass. It was not long ago there were news reports of vapers in airports and on the planes making a stink (no pun intended) about how they did the proverbial flip off when asked to put the e-cig away.

There have been numerous posts and threads of people saying they did not care where they vaped and they would more of less bully there way into the malls, movie theaters, work places with their pv's as it was their god-given right to tout when, where, why and how not giving a rip on the employer as if they were told no it was against their constitutional right .......for what i have no idea as the rules were not written to cover this as of yet.

Everyone is quick to point the finger at HC and want to flame government. Yet no one is sitting back taking a moment to look at the over all situation to see that maybe.......just maybe they are watching us to see how we govern ourselves, which seems to be extremely poor.

If everyone can go at this from another angle which is show some respect and maybe just maybe go about the with the sense of hey....if i could not smoke in this area, why would i want to vape here?

Things are just going to sadly snow ball down hill at this point. There where a few solutions where presented but everyone as a whole were either too shy or too afraid, or maybe too lazy to fight back so ce la vie
 
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Hate this, Troll this, flame this comment honestly it does not matter much to me.

With what came down the wire for you does not surprise me in any fashion, and tell the truth i was waiting for this to come to pass. It was not long ago there were news reports of vapers in airports and on the planes making a stink (no pun intended) about how they did the proverbial flip off when asked to put the e-cig away.

There have been numerous posts and threads of people saying they did not care where they vaped and they would more of less bully there way into the malls, movie theaters, work places with their pv's as it was their god-given right to tout when, where, why and how not giving a rip on the employer as if they were told no it was against their constitutional right .......for what i have no idea as the rules were not written to cover this as of yet.

Everyone is quick to point the finger at HC and want to flame government. Yet no one is sitting back taking a moment to look at the over all situation to see that maybe.......just maybe they are watching us to see how we govern ourselves, which seems to be extremely poor.

If everyone can go at this from another angle which is show some respect and maybe just maybe go about the with the sense of hey....if i could not smoke in this area, why would i want to vape here?

Things are just going to sadly snow ball down hill at this point. There where a few solutions where presented but everyone as a whole were either too shy or too afraid, or maybe too lazy to fight back so ce la vie

I've been thinking about this the same way. My employer just dropped the same bomb on us, with a difference. We are not allowed to use them on site. 12 hour shifts, no smoking, no leaving the property and now no vaping on the property. We are fighting for the right to have somewhere to go to vape. Ok we may not be able to vape at our assignment but give us a place to go.
 

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I've been thinking about this the same way. My employer just dropped the same bomb on us, with a difference. We are not allowed to use them on site. 12 hour shifts, no smoking, no leaving the property and now no vaping on the property. We are fighting for the right to have somewhere to go to vape. Ok we may not be able to vape at our assignment but give us a place to go.

I am not sure if this will be a help or a hindrance but here is what i can think of, and apologies if it was thought of before: and without specific's of your work lay out. Is there a spot for smokers? As i dust off the memories of work standards from when i was Chief Union Stewart (eons ago); the stand act details that a employee must have the following in a twelve hour period: two lunch breaks (no longer then 30 min) and i think three fifteen minute breaks, which are to allow the employee to "refocus", this being said a employer must have a designated smoking area, which can have three sides in form of a shelter (four walls constitute it a building)...this all being said, can you fly under the proverbial radar with some 808's? i know not really the greatest of choices, but if you where to get one that is white and maybe a tan collared 901 atomizer or cart, say filled with tasteless juice (i know they are around i seen them on Vapor geek), my thought is: if it is tasteless it is odorless, being in the smoke area or close to it you are indeed stealth vaping.

again i have to say these swift changes in the work place are thanks to the growing lot of "forefathers" you not caring how one bullied move of their own e-cigarette use and mentality has rippled through the public to this point. it was foreseen months back it would come to this point, and it is sad, and i do hope you can find a peaceful solution, and i would have to state that if you are unionized see what the chief Stewart can do for you. If not then delve into the employment acts, as technically they have not changed to encompass e-cigarettes far as i am aware. Best of Luck
 

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Ok we know we are being singled out and targeted by government who is towing the FDA line of untruths. I am very fortunate the owner of my company is happy I'm off the stinkies and even took the time to listen to what vaping was. I vape in my office and in his. Constantine made a very good point about union requirements the next step is what do we do about it? Any ideas? THere must be a lot of people out there who a part of a union.
 

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Ok we know we are being singled out and targeted by government who is towing the FDA line of untruths. I am very fortunate the owner of my company is happy I'm off the stinkies and even took the time to listen to what vaping was. I vape in my office and in his. Constantine made a very good point about union requirements the next step is what do we do about it? Any ideas? THere must be a lot of people out there who a part of a union.

good sir i am slightly blushing as i had a good idea for once :p i used to be union but my information is very outdated (2008 max). I would have to agree with you, if there is anyone anywhere affiliated with a union, can you step forward?

If project guy is willing to give it a go (how nice of me to volunteer you huh :p), i would be willing to look it over with him (better? i volunteered myself to :D) I would also be interested at looking at a current (??) employment act
 

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good sir i am slightly blushing as i had a good idea for once :p i used to be union but my information is very outdated (2008 max). I would have to agree with you, if there is anyone anywhere affiliated with a union, can you step forward?

If project guy is willing to give it a go (how nice of me to volunteer you huh :p), i would be willing to look it over with him (better? i volunteered myself to :D) I would also be interested at looking at a current (??) employment act

I'm happy to be volunteer for anything that will help our cause but I'm so far to the right of the political spectrum that I make Stephen Harper look like a communist but also I'm so far to the left socially I make Thomas Mulcair look like a founding member of the Tea Party. All that to say I have no affiliation to a union. You need a Union person to do this.
 
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