Well I did it, and I can't believe IT WORKS!

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I'm still a bit awed that my first try worked, and with a used coil. Hopefully it's safe enough...so far so good, though! But please, if anyone sees "dumb noob" in this post somewhere, please say something.:unsure:

Good job. I am still trying to get one to work after 25 tries.
 

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Dudes and dudettes: Go to Hobby Lobby or Michaels or Amazon and get yourself an Artistic Wire Gizmo coil winder. The 2 smallest spindles will twirl you a PERFECT coil every time. I've been doing some wicked micro coils with the smallest spindle using 30 guage kanthal. Best vaping investment you can make. I got one for $7 bucks at Hobby Lobby with their 40% coupon. I've let some veteran coil builders that I know try it and they were humping air when they saw how tight the coils come out. No heating, no squeezing with tweezers, no sproinging coils across the room.
 

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ANdria he suggests 28 gauge wire, 12 wraps on a 5/64 drill bit

I do not agree with him on that. If you change to a 30 gauge wire you can do LESS wraps and hit the same ohms BUT the coil will not be as long so it will be easier to fit in the tiny head without touching metal on the sides and shorting things out.

I also do one thing differently. I leave the drill bit in the coil until I lock down the legs. I just stick it down in the slots on the sides. It keeps me from pulling the coil down too far into the head.

Ok, so a higher number gauge means a finer wire? Because, as I was doing the dry-burning, of course I really looked at the coil, and that is some very fine wire. Does that video also tell you how to get that out of there? Because I really looked, while dry-burning, and honestly I can't imagine how to get it out of there, without resorting to the tip of an ice pick and brute force, just gouge it out of there -- but then how to get something back in? I can't really see how it's attached in there.

I have one coil, as I said, that I think is just toast; I checked the two misbehaving ones again just now, and one of them is almost certainly just gone; it's now registering 3.2 ohms. The other one, I finally remembered to check the ohms, and it's still registering at 2.6 ohms, so it may not be toast, but it most definitely is leaking, and I can't for the life of me figure out why; I even put in a couple more strands of cotton, so now it has 5 strands for the flavor wick, but it puts a drop of ejuice right on the top of the battery and gurgles immediately. I took it back off (to put on the sole remaining functional coil I have), and as it sits, it even leaks a drop onto the counter. I just have no earthly idea what to do with that one. The same is true of the ARO coil that I *thought* was now working; it really seemed alright when I tested it yesterday, but this morning, leaked a drop right onto the battery, so I know it's from the coil itself, not the seal around the base. Just completely perplexed.

I do have 3 more coils coming, but alas I think it'll be Monday, they seem to still be in florida. Just hoping this last working coil will keep its act together till Monday. And I think my idea of switching over to cartomizers rather than using tanks all the time is a really good idea; nothing to dry-burn, nothing to rebuild, nothing to wonder, 'why is it doing that?' and having no idea and being unable to find *anything* to tell me what's happening or why or what to do about it. I keep asking questions about why is this, and why is that, and I keep hearing the same answers, but nothing is working for those coils that just insist on leaking.

If I wasn't really serious about sticking with this and not smoking, I'd probably have given up already, this is so intensely frustrating. As it is, I wonder if I'm going to end up having to just cold-turkey it. I really hope not; I know I did it once before for 3 months, but then gave in and went back to smoking, which I absolutely don't want to do. I'll get some cartos, and see if they can keep me from this level of frustration with all these "moving parts" that just refuse to behave. I'd rather spend $5-6$-ish for 5 cartos that will work properly for some length of time, than $5 for 3 coils that work for 2 wks and then just stop, or start leaking, or etc, while offering the promise of "rebuilding" to someone who may not be capable of that level of mechanical ability, if I can't even figure out how to make them stop leaking. Really it all just makes me want to cry, like I'm just throwing good money after bad, building up my hopes over something that refuses over and over to work right; I just feel like crawling in a hole and pulling it in after me -- just wake me up when the cigarette addiction is over. That fantasy of "going to sleep and never waking up again" looks so attractive, though for some reason the stupid body always insists on waking up again, and then I have to deal with this caca all over again.

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Thanks, In the Shade, I feel sort of funny, being a late bloomer and all. I've been vaping for almost a year. I was starting to feel kinda loser-ish for not being so gung-ho on the whole rebuilding thing. Even some of my ECF buddies who are 20+ years older, and vaping for less time then me, are all rebuilding. I was beginning to feel left behind..

I guess it just takes me a while before I feel real comfortable with things, or daring enough not to care if I screw up.

Took me a year and a half to build my first one. :blink:

I see farther down in the thread that you are still having issues. :(
 

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WHen you take out the bottom pin and the bottom rubber grommet the coil is no longer held in by anything. In fact for me it usually comes out with the grommet. If it doesn't a pair of tweezers will grab it easily enough and with nothing holding it in getting it out is easy.

Higher number for gauge = thinner wire = less wraps for the same ohm

Cartos have their advantages in the ease department. I just hate filling and refilling them. Hence my use of carto tanks. Which is a carto with holes in it (punched or slotted) inside a tank of juice. If that sounds at all interesting to you I suggest you hunt down ECF user Baditude's blogs. He has excellent instructions and information on carto tanks.
 

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WHen you take out the bottom pin and the bottom rubber grommet the coil is no longer held in by anything. In fact for me it usually comes out with the grommet. If it doesn't a pair of tweezers will grab it easily enough and with nothing holding it in getting it out is easy.

Higher number for gauge = thinner wire = less wraps for the same ohm

Cartos have their advantages in the ease department. I just hate filling and refilling them. Hence my use of carto tanks. Which is a carto with holes in it (punched or slotted) inside a tank of juice. If that sounds at all interesting to you I suggest you hunt down ECF user Baditude's blogs. He has excellent instructions and information on carto tanks.

Ok, I will fool around with that coil that I know is toast, and see what I can see about how it's all put together.

I don't really find filling cartos to be a problem, the only problem is in not knowing when it needs filling, and to be honest, not having any kind of definite idea of how long a carto will last -- longer than a coil, I think? They seem to only last a couple weeks, even with the thin PG juice I use.

Since I do like cartos, and I had thought I would like tanks, then I think I probably should look into the carto-tank idea. None of this need to rebuild anything, with carto-tanks? That would be a real plus as far as I can see, even though the few I've seen do seem to cost a little more than regular tanks, if it saves me this level of frustration, I think it would definitely be worth it. Carto-tanks are the ones that are labelled "DCT", right? For some reason I thought it meant "dual coil tank" but I'm so new to the lingo, god knows what it really means.

I've also looked at a couple of the XL cartos, and I've even seen some "XXL" ones, which might also be a really good option, since I stick primarily to the same juice all the time.

Andria
 

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Congratulations! I share your enthusiasm. I didn't take your baby steps. I leapt right in and bought a kayfun and ask the tools and kanthal. Then I spent two or the wells cursing the thing. I got obsessed. But the other day, I wrapped it, wicked it, and got it working in less than 15 minutes. Three days later it is still working with no leaks out problems. The ohms are high but I will fix that next time round.
 

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For a standard carto tank there is no rebuilding. When the carto starts gurgling alot (unfixably) or gets tight or the flavor goes off replace the carto.

There is such a thing as a rebuildable atomizer that replaces the carto in a carto tank but going that way is entirely optional.

If you are interested in carto tanks seriously hunt down Baditude's Blogs.
 

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Andria

For a standard carto tank there is no rebuilding. When the carto starts gurgling alot (unfixably) or gets tight or the flavor goes off replace the carto.

There is such a thing as a rebuildable atomizer that replaces the carto in a carto tank but going that way is entirely optional.

If you are interested in carto tanks seriously hunt down Baditude's Blogs.

Ok, I found his blog here at ECF; he seems to only address IBtanked's carto tanks, but there are others, aren't there? I know carto tanks cost a little more than regular tanks... and I'm certain that $24/$29 for a custom made tank is an outstanding value... but I hate to spend that much on something I haven't even tried yet. At least that one entry does describe how it's put together and how it all works, and that is very useful, welcome info.

Monday I'm planning on ordering a 5-pk of cartos, from Desert Vapes, who have an outstanding price on 5-pks of 'em; I'm thinking I'd probably be happier with the standard resistance though, because this LR one that my friend gave me is too hot to be comfortable on my lips -- I went and got an acrylic driptip for it, but I still have to put a soft cover over that, with a hole punched in the middle, just so I don't burn my lips -- got a blister on my lower lip already, from when I was using that aluminum drip tip. About how long does it take for a carto to be unusable? I gather that the only sign of it being "all used up" is a burned taste, but any idea how long that takes? I do use a very thin, PG-blend e-juice (85% PG), rather than the thick gummy kind.

Also I checked out that link you posted yesterday for the mega-packs of cartos, and that's an excellent deal; with that, I could get some standard resistance regular cartos, and also try out some of the XL cartos and see if I like them. Once I get that $100 from my mom, end of next week, I was planning on ordering one of those multi-5-pks.

And I'll definitely be looking around at different carto tanks, and the various reviews posted of them; I *love* the way the IBtanked carto tanks look (that black/gold light swirl is gorgeous), but until I know for sure that I really like carto tanks, I think it'd be crazy to spend that much -- crazy for my own budget, anyway.

Thx,
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Ok, I did some hunting around, and found the AGR Cartomizer Tank, which is 10.95 at litecigusa, and that's more the kind of price I can deal with -- less even than the PT II Mini I'm still considering (mainly because I don't think I've ever seen a complaint of the PT II Mini leaking!). Know anything about the AGR Cartomizer Tank?

Thx,
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These are the cato tanks that I use (that the IBT's are a coppy of)

ElectronicStix.Com · ALL THE J TANKS IN ONE SPOT

Still out of my price range for something I've never tried. If I knew that I liked them, it'd be a different story; they do have one that's 17.99 and that wouldn't be out of the question, *if I already knew that I liked them* -- can't justify that much in the budget on a total unknown.

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Alisa - It may or may not be down your street, but I started using a Genisis style rebuild-able yesterday, and I'm completely hooked on it now. The replaceable wicks & resistive wire cost tuppence in comparison with replacment heads, and I'm finding they get gunked up less. I would recommend them without blinking an eye. - A background in electronics is not mandatory, but doing some research is advisable so you don't make something go "pop"
I've never got on personally with cartomisers or carto-tanks, but if you like them, use them !
Happy vaping !
 

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I saw a youtube video ... this woman soaked her carto tanks in carbolic acid (cola) for 45 min, to clean the coils and then rinsed in water to clean the "stuffing" and spun it ... and it started right up as though it was brand new. Don't know how many times you can do that ... but apparently you can extend the life of a carto if you want to.


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For a standard carto tank there is no rebuilding. When the carto starts gurgling alot (unfixably) or gets tight or the flavor goes off replace the carto.

There is such a thing as a rebuildable atomizer that replaces the carto in a carto tank but going that way is entirely optional.

If you are interested in carto tanks seriously hunt down Baditude's Blogs.
 

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Alisa - It may or may not be down your street, but I started using a Genisis style rebuild-able yesterday, and I'm completely hooked on it now. The replaceable wicks & resistive wire cost tuppence in comparison with replacment heads, and I'm finding they get gunked up less. I would recommend them without blinking an eye. - A background in electronics is not mandatory, but doing some research is advisable so you don't make something go "pop"
I've never got on personally with cartomisers or carto-tanks, but if you like them, use them !
Happy vaping !


Hi there folks! I think there's a bit of confusion here. I am not the one into cartos...

Andria and Alisa are 2 different people. It would seem that my thread has been hijacked a little. I use RDAs andam not a huge fan of cartotanks(have one and hard ly ever use it.):facepalm:
 
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