What a crazy two years it's been
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That's not terrible. It could be alot worse. How long does the approval take?
Can you Post a Link to where you saw that Blu Cigs are FDA Approved?
They aren't approved. It's not even possible since there are no regulations yet.
You knew I Knew that.
(BTW - Funny how there was No Reply to Post #56. The Sand keeps Slipping from the Glass. And No One Seems to Care.)
We care, We care!
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You knew I Knew that.
(BTW - Funny how there was No Reply to Post #56. The Sand keeps Slipping from the Glass. And No One Seems to Care.)
People care, many like I, don't know where to start....reading some of that, as educated as I am, could help if I had a law degree.... Sit here and wait for the CTA? Or many understand that the black market will thrive. They are not afraid. I'm angry, I don't know what to do. I feel discriminated against. It's hard to believe I can be surrounded by real derelicts (insert poison of choice here) and yet the contributing member of society is having civil liberties revoked.
And if you reply please don't put it in white letters so it's difficult to see. Say what you have to say. Plus any advice?
You knew I Knew that.
(BTW - Funny how there was No Reply to Post #56. The Sand keeps Slipping from the Glass. And No One Seems to Care.)
The monsters can't see me if my eyes are closed....
BTW OP. I am a perfectly normal looking female IT professional. I blow my clouds in my living room. I build my own RBAs, I squonk. I drip. I have countless tanks and mods, some cheap, some pricey.
What I do not do is make a spectacle of myself in public. I also don't act like a jerk. This is because the last thing I want is to fuel the ANTZ fire and their cause.
And yes, I vape in order to not smoke.
The hobbyists also fall among the cig quitters too.
If you think about it, douche bags have ruined many good things in the history of mankind.
And FTR, if you are all about the zero nic clouds or any kind of RBA use really; you should learn ohms law and build your own stuff instead of having a B&M build them for you. Half of the staff in a B&M send out dangerous builds because they don't know it themselves. Have some pride, learn your craft.
Zero nic clouds are a fad...a new hotness... and like all fads will pass in time. If the regulations don't pass before this happens maybe we can get back to harm reduction.
I am just hoping OP that you can see the difference between a person who enjoys setting up their own rigs and a trend follower.
ETA...for me tinkering with coils is that something to do with my hands that one doesn't get from a quick vape.
Harm Reduction Vapers need a marketing campaign. Right now we are practically invisible on the internet and in the media.
What I do not do is make a spectacle of myself in public. I also don't act like a jerk. This is because the last thing I want is to fuel the ANTZ fire and their cause.
And yes, I vape in order to not smoke.
The hobbyists also fall among the cig quitters too.
If you think about it, douche bags have ruined many good things in the history of mankind.
And FTR, if you are all about the zero nic clouds or any kind of RBA use really; you should learn ohms law and build your own stuff instead of having a B&M build them for you. Half of the staff in a B&M send out dangerous builds because they don't know it themselves. Have some pride, learn your craft.
Zero nic clouds are a fad...a new hotness... and like all fads will pass in time. If the regulations don't pass before this happens maybe we can get back to harm reduction.
I am just hoping OP that you can see the difference between a person who enjoys setting up their own rigs and a trend follower.
ETA...for me tinkering with coils is that something to do with my hands that one doesn't get from a quick vape.
Harm Reduction Vapers need a marketing campaign. Right now we are practically invisible on the internet and in the media.
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If you are Concerned about the way things are Moving, the First thing I would suggest is to go to these Sites and do a Little Reading to get Up to Date.
CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
SFATA | Vapor Products Association
Find out if there is anything going on in Your State. Then sit down and Write you State and Federal Reps a Letter (not an e-Mail) and tell them what You want them to do. They are Suppose to Represent You. Not the Other Way around.
Then I would Consider trying to Help Spread the Word about what is going on Not Only in your state. But in states where Anti-ecigarette legislation is Popping up Left and Right.
Got a Facebook Account? Like to Tweet? Know 5 People who use and e-Cigarette? Are there any B&M in your area.Know 5 People around you who are Happy that you have Quit Smoking? Tell Tem. And Ask them to tell 5 at Least 5 People like you did.
Do you have some Online Vendors that you Buy from. Do they have a page Devoted to Advocacy on their Web Site. No? Ask them if they could include one.
Lastly, I would consider making a Donation to CASAA and or asking them if they need any Volunteer Help.
Getting the Word Out is a Very Simple thing that Anyone can do.
Joined CASAA a few days ago and signed up for my state plus the neighboring state if I could help. I am the only full time vapor in my immediate circle and I have been reading up as much as I can. I can write my officials ( didn't know I could do that right now), I do not have social media accounts, most of you fine people are educated and I like it here
I come from a place where lines out of the clinics solve other addiction issues and everyone steals money from the schools, they have their priorities mixed up. They do however find time to include vaping in all the tobacco restrictions....Thank you for your information! I'll move a little faster.
Thanks Brave! Enough of us do that and the right will continue to exist.
Vaping is survival for me and many others.
Vaping is survival for me and many others.
Okay, for the most part I agree with a lot of what your saying. Calling hobbyists D-bags, well I don't care for that but I probably fit the description.
However your statement about more money in RDA's, well they cost more but to a business owner (or anyone else who cares about making money) they are not what pays the bills or keeps the lights on.
For example, most here have visited a Harley Davidson shop at one point or another. Lets look at the shiny new bikes as RDA's and all the black t-shirts as starter kits. You Mr. business owner have exactly $100,000 to invest in your inventory. So do you fill the floor with 4 bikes that your return on is roughly 12% (my numbers may be off but work with me, the ratio is the point) making $12,000 on your $100,000 or, do you put three bikes on the floor with a return of $9,000 on $75k and put $25k worth of black shirts on the floor filling the building making it look a lot more appealing with a near 75% return making near $18.75k for a total return potential on your $100k of $27.75k or $15.75k more than just the shiny RDA's?
I have an interest in the retail B&M vaping business and the #1 return on investment is juice blended in house. #2 is juice sourced from suppliers and starter level gear. #3 (by a huge margin lower) is high end gear. Now selling higher end (read more juice consumption) gear to customers will in turn cause them to purchase #1 and #2, more juice however not nearly enough to keep the lights on.
Most people who walk through the door looking for the newest Kilowatt Mod and Authentic Blah Blah Blah have already shopped all over the internet and know exactly how much they can get it for from some online source. Often the online source price is within a few percentage points of what the B&M has to pay for it. So if they buy Super Dooper Box Mod 500W+ Limited for $187.00 and online it can be had for $199 they cannot mark it up to $325 in the name of customer service. Most all customers are more price savvy than that.
Now the average Joe looking to quit smoking walks through the door and knows almost nothing to completely nothing about vape gear and prices online or otherwise. He's looking to quit smoking because his co-worker did it. You present him with a $39.99 "starter" kit that can be had online for $23.00 and he doesn't blink for two reasons, the markup may be a lot more percentage wise but dollar wise it's barely two packs of cigarettes he bought this morning. He knows nothing so you spend 30 minutes with him getting him a basic usage education and throw in a couple small bottles of juice and still make 50%+. He'll be back in a few days to buy a couple larger bottles of the very profitable house blended juice then in a few weeks he'll stop by to "upgrade" to something a little more that will use a little more of the very profitable house juice.
Yes, the $ signs on the high end gear is much higher, the profit margins on said high end gear is horrible. In fact the one B&M in my town that's absolutely killing it doesn't even sell anything "high end". They do have a few of the smaller regulated mods and some of the bigger/fancier tanks but the have 50% of the store dedicated to juice making/sampling/selling, 40% to selling "starter" gear and 10% for the "next step up" stuff. The owner is a business man not a vape band wagon rider and figured out in the first few weeks of business where the money is at. Now when someone walks in looking for the most expensive, newest high end whatever on the market they actually refer them to other shops in town that carry them and depending on the shop they may even hand you a coupon for a discount at that shop. The shops collectively have figured out that none of them were making money on the high end stuff so a couple have kept up with it being able to offer a larger selection and in turn they get referred business from those who don't have it. No it's certainly not the way I would look at a retail business plan but it's working for them.
Yes the culture of the vape shop customer/employee is changing. Those with the wrong business model will weed themselves out when the money runs out. The ones who figure out where the money is at will change and adapt. Let them know what you think of their business model with your wallet, don't like the way they look then shop somewhere else. Unless you live in Lost Springs, WY or Monowi, NE then there's likely more than one shop for you to frequent. (I say likely because I just ran across a vape shop in Oklahoma that is miles from the closest town so I stopped and looked and it's a really nice full on shop, mixing juice, selling everything from starters to authentic clones and they were busy.)
Agreed, anyone with a business stand point within the B & M's knows for every set up they sell that the patron will need juice and that is my rant back to the OP when I hear this :
Today a vape shop is like a frat house. Instead of beer ....s, you have cloud chasing competitions. Instead of encouragement to stop smoking you hear, "Dude, that mod's a POS. You need to run a .05 ohm head with 28ga kanthal and Japanese cotton in your RDA at 300watts with a 3mg juice with at least 80% VG to really blow some serious clouds". Yes, vapers have become douche bags. Nobody likes or cares about the cause of a douche bag. The bans are spreading just as fast as the vape shops. The FDA will squish this like a bug. The douche bag will still be able to be a vaping McGyver in his mother's basement, but the guy that just wants to quit smoking cigarettes is going to be relegated to whatever big tobacco offers. Thanks.
What he doesn't understand is that the shops with a lounge in them will sell more juice and of course the ones usually hanging out at the lounge are usually in there 20's - 30's they buy a new juice pull out there rig and conversate with others and yes it's usually about the newest or upcoming equipment / juice, these same people come by every week sometimes twice because as everyone knows dual coil sub ohming rigs swallow juice unlike your clearomizers.All the meanwhile you have your celebrity's, doctors, lawyers, construction workers, police dept, 70 year old men / lady's coming in to buy more juice and some of them are intrigued on the performance level they see coming from the lounge and end up getting educated and walk out with something far superior in satisfaction and didn't even know existed than what they started with.I started with a blu because that's all I knew, the first time I took a draw off an RDA was the first time I never thought about cigarettes again after 30 years.So to slander or demoralize the vaping community in that aspect is just being naive and or Ignorant.OP you could just shop at the gas stations or your local tobacco shop / truck stop and not have to worry about walking into a frat house, that doesn't mean it's to late for you to actually help make a difference and join CASAA or contact Bill Godshall or read his post here on the forum for more education because all the squashing of bugs is not necessarily coming from who you think it is but make your rant count for something.......
Today a vape shop is like a frat house. Instead of beer ....s, you have cloud chasing competitions. Instead of encouragement to stop smoking you hear, "Dude, that mod's a POS. You need to run a .05 ohm head with 28ga kanthal and Japanese cotton in your RDA at 300watts with a 3mg juice with at least 80% VG to really blow some serious clouds". Yes, vapers have become douche bags. Nobody likes or cares about the cause of a douche bag. The bans are spreading just as fast as the vape shops. The FDA will squish this like a bug. The douche bag will still be able to be a vaping McGyver in his mother's basement, but the guy that just wants to quit smoking cigarettes is going to be relegated to whatever big tobacco offers. Thanks.
What he doesn't understand is that the shops with a lounge in them will sell more juice and of course the ones usually hanging out at the lounge are usually in there 20's - 30's they buy a new juice pull out there rig and conversate with others and yes it's usually about the newest or upcoming equipment / juice, these same people come by every week sometimes twice because as everyone knows dual coil sub ohming rigs swallow juice unlike your clearomizers.All the meanwhile you have your celebrity's, doctors, lawyers, construction workers, police dept, 70 year old men / lady's coming in to buy more juice and some of them are intrigued on the performance level they see coming from the lounge and end up getting educated and walk out with something far superior in satisfaction and didn't even know existed than what they started with.I started with a blu because that's all I knew, the first time I took a draw off an RDA was the first time I never thought about cigarettes again after 30 years.So to slander or demoralize the vaping community in that aspect is just being naive and or Ignorant.OP you could just shop at the gas stations or your local tobacco shop / truck stop and not have to worry about walking into a frat house, that doesn't mean it's to late for you to actually help make a difference and join CASAA or contact Bill Godshall or read his post here on the forum for more education because all the squashing of bugs is not necessarily coming from who you think it is but make your rant count for something.......
Outstanding post.
I would only add to it the following options/actions to consider...
--Consider joining the Vaping Militia as well
--Encourage you local B&Ms to get one of these
Like me
Bwahahahahahaha! I didn't realize they had an end date picked out already
There is a part of me that is relieved that we will finally see what exactly we are up against but another part of me is just sooo afraid of finding out just what exactly we are up against.
As to the OP's post: In a sense this brings to mind the extreme sports. I remember when snow boarding started. Then the youth got board (see what I did there?) and took it to new levels. It happens in every facet of life. In a way, if it wasn't for those that do take it to extremes, would we have devices that work better than those that came before? Wasn't the quest for better, responsible for making it easier for me to start vaping when I did?
I see both sides of this issue and I am helpless to figure out how to merge the two. I am sure about one thing - I REALLY Despise the ANTZ groups.
I guess I look at this different than other sports or hobbies because to me (and 2 years ago avery vaper) this is a hopefully healthier alternative to smoking. You did not have extreme smoking. Outside of some parlor tricks I never saw someone with more than one cigarette in their mouth to blow more smoke. I am on the record of acknowledging there is a hobby side to this, and that is a good thing, but as I talked about that two years ago, I felt it would be people collecting expensive mods and tanks that maybe reflect their personality. A lot of smokers collect really nice lighters. The e-cig boom has slowed down tremendously. We have to look at the reasons for that. Did the market get too saturated? Is it now looked at as too complicated? I'll be honest, my last relapse happened on a cruise ship. My kayfun lite kept leaking like crazy and after numerous attempts to try and fix it I got fed up and bought a carton of cigarettes at the duty free shop. I was a little frustrated that I had to bring a bag of tools and parts with me on vacation to get my nic fix, and that I had to spend so much time tinkering. I never put that much thought into smoking. I think most smokers want an easy fix that works. I've said it many times over the past two years, but the first company that masters the cigalike will make billions.
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