What are things to look for in juices, since they aren't regulated?

[espressowithsugar]

How do we know which ones won't cause "popcorn lung"? (Ok in that case I read it's "custard" flavours, like the vanilla I bought, that cause it, due to a specific additive). But, is there a place where juice manufacturers are rated for safety/testing? Or do we rely on word of mouth and looking for particular brands? I don't see any ingredient list on the bottles I bought.

TIA

 

[espressowithsugar]

Also, what are the effects people have had with VG vs. PG? I've read that some people have reactions to one or the other... What's the difference?

 

[Susan~S]

What are Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl and Acetoin?

If you're concerned about diketones (diacetyl, Acetoin, and/or Acetyl Propionyl), you can try to avoid any "custard, creamy, rich, bakery" type flavors, and stay with tobaccos/fruits.

You can also deal with vendors who specifically list on their website whether diketones (diacetyl/acetyl propionyl) are used/possibly present.

1. Ahlusion
2. Mountain Oak Vapors has links to their lab reports in each juice description.
3. The Vapor Bar has the lab reports on their blog.
4. JuiceMafia has links to lab reports in some of their juice descriptions, and their report seems to cover a ton of their juices.
5. NicoTicket also openly discloses which of their flavors contain diketones, which I appreciate because it allows us to make informed decisions about what to vape.

You could DIY and only use ingredients/vendors who verify ingredients or you could try vaping unflavored. Many members here choose to vape with no flavoring and enjoy it.

Also, what are the effects people have had with VG vs. PG? I've read that some people have reactions to one or the other... What's the difference?

There are usually 4 different components in juice:

1. Propylene Glycol - the "flavor carrier" of e-liquid. A secondary source of "throat hit", but not as strong as the nicotine concentration. Some people have a sensitivity or even an allergy to PG. It's very thin.
2. Vegetable Glycerin - the "vapor maker" of e-liquid. Used as a sweeter in many food sources, and also as a skin emollient. It's very thick.
3. Flavoring
4. Nicotine

Purity of PG, VG and PEG - The Short Version

 

[fractalsauce]

Awesome information! Some of which I didn't know about so thank you On browsing the NicoTicket site, it looks like a lot of flavors are right up my alley.

 

[LittleBird]

Welcome to ecf, Fractal! When you've made your post count, you may want to pop over to the Nicoticket forum. Lots of friendly folks, there (as there are throughout ecf), who will be happy to share all kinds of info on NT juices.

There are also several articles on diketones, which I encourage you to read. As is often the case, things aren't always what they seem to be . A quick Google search will point you in the right direction...

 

[Misirycord]

okay this may sound stupid but what is a "popcorn lung"?

 

[fractalsauce]

Thanks LittleBird! I'm glad to be here, and thanks I'll go and checkout that sub-forum since I've completed my post count now

I'm also interested in Misirycord's question as well...

 

[fractalsauce]

Actually, while I was at work, I ordered both the "Sure Bert" (clever name!) and "Strawnilla" flavors. Hoping I'll fall in love

This question is directed towards both

Susan~S

and

Littlebird

And I guess anyone else that has experience with this..

My dad recommended Nicoticket as well as Mt Baker Vapor. Have you heard of or tried the latter company? If so, what do you think as far as quality and ingredients?

 

[Susan~S]

"Popcorn Lung": From Wikipedia.

 

[fractalsauce]

"Popcorn Lung": From Wikipedia.

Well now I feel a bit dumb..Bronchitis, gotcha. A form of it anyway.

I like how the diacetyl molecule looks like two people doing awkward naughty things to each other lol

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Thanks LittleBird! I'm glad to be here, and thanks I'll go and checkout that sub-forum since I've completed my post count now

I'm also interested in Misirycord's question as well...

Google is your friend. Basically is is about a butter flavoring causing a deadly lung problem.

 

[Misirycord]

omg it does look like so awkward naughty times and popcorn lung is a weird name for that but okay I guess that makes since

 

[BeerGolfClouds]

Actually, while I was at work, I ordered both the "Sure Bert" (clever name!) and "Strawnilla" flavors. Hoping I'll fall in love

This question is directed towards both
and


And I guess anyone else that has experience with this..

My dad recommended Nicoticket as well as Mt Baker Vapor. Have you heard of or tried the latter company? If so, what do you think as far as quality and ingredients?

Nicoticket is a premium vendor, with a smaller selection of juices created by their staff. They are all unique from most everything else on the market today, and I'd say their prices are about mid-tier.

Mt. Baker is more along the lines of a budget vendor, with a very large selection of juices (many that you can find elsewhere) for some of the lowest prices you'll find.

Both companies do have great juices. With Baker, it's more of a hit and miss proposition though. I'd compare it to St. Bernardus (an amazing Belgian abbey ale) vs. Budweiser. I'll drink both...I'd rather drink the good stuff, but sometimes I don't want to spend the money and just want a cold one.

 

[espressowithsugar]

What are Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl and Acetoin?

If you're concerned about diketones (diacetyl, Acetoin, and/or Acetyl Propionyl), you can try to avoid any "custard, creamy, rich, bakery" type flavors, and stay with tobaccos/fruits.

You can also deal with vendors who specifically list on their website whether diketones (diacetyl/acetyl propionyl) are used/possibly present.

1. Ahlusion
2. Mountain Oak Vapors has links to their lab reports in each juice description.
3. The Vapor Bar has the lab reports on their blog.
4. JuiceMafia has links to lab reports in some of their juice descriptions, and their report seems to cover a ton of their juices.
5. NicoTicket also openly discloses which of their flavors contain diketones, which I appreciate because it allows us to make informed decisions about what to vape.

You could DIY and only use ingredients/vendors who verify ingredients or you could try vaping unflavored. Many members here choose to vape with no flavoring and enjoy it.



There are usually 4 different components in juice:

1. Propylene Glycol - the "flavor carrier" of e-liquid. A secondary source of "throat hit", but not as strong as the nicotine concentration. Some people have a sensitivity or even an allergy to PG. It's very thin.
2. Vegetable Glycerin - the "vapor maker" of e-liquid. Used as a sweeter in many food sources, and also as a skin emollient. It's very thick.
3. Flavoring
4. Nicotine

Purity of PG, VG and PEG - The Short Version

Thank you! This is a very clear summary of the main points to know - much appreciated!

 

[fractalsauce]

Nicoticket is a premium vendor, with a smaller selection of juices created by their staff. They are all unique from most everything else on the market today, and I'd say their prices are about mid-tier.

Mt. Baker is more along the lines of a budget vendor, with a very large selection of juices (many that you can find elsewhere) for some of the lowest prices you'll find.

Both companies do have great juices. With Baker, it's more of a hit and miss proposition though. I'd compare it to St. Bernardus (an amazing Belgian abbey ale) vs. Budweiser. I'll drink both...I'd rather drink the good stuff, but sometimes I don't want to spend the money and just want a cold one.

I get exactly where you're coming from thanks!