What do you think about temperature control devices?

[retird]

I don't like box mods or mods made in China. There are no options until ProVape releases a P3 update with temp. control and coils for Kayfun4...

ProVape P3 is only a variable voltage/VW device and will not have temp control updates without completely changing their technology .......... they have a great device but they are not a player in the Variable wattage/temp control market....

If you want a Temp Controlled P3 with KF4 coils I think you have a long time to wait...

Correction//// P3 is VW/VV combination... my bad...

 

[Moonbogg]

ProVape P3 is only a variable voltage device and will not have temp control updates without completely changing their technology as they have always only offered variable voltage devices...... and the upgrades they have made over the years have only improved their variable voltage system.... they have a great VV device but they are not a player in the Variable wattage/temp control market....

If you want a Temp Controlled P3 with KF4 coils I think you have a long time to wait...

Wait WOT P3 is VW.

 

[retird]

Wait WOT P3 is VW.

THX... edited my post to reflect what I was trying to say...

 

[ukeman]

I was reporting on my experiences with TC and nickel/titanium. Are they a universal truth for all vapers? Certainly not.
I also consider myself a hobbyist and had fun working out the kinks and issues with the nickel builds, however not everyone enjoys messing with things to this degree.

You may find nickel and TC easy to use and greatly beneficial to you and if it works well for you, great! Please accept different opinions as well.

TC seems like a step in the right direction, but it is my personal opinion that the technology is just not quite there yet.
Not sure why half the posts in this thread feel like 'sponsored by evolv', and any criticism is met by "You are holding it wrong."

I already own a device, there is no need to sell me one

Obviously agree its a step in the right direction, which implies that all vape-tech imo is on a evolving spectrum... (no pun intended)

Just a little counter opinion... I would shout TP to the rooftops if given the chance (slight exaggeration) ... I'd hate for folks to miss the chance to enjoy it based on the negative comments.

I've always done that as a consumer of something I like; thats the biggest reason most of us come here; to find what folks like and don't like.

Beta testers (and nuts like me) are simply more enthusiastic about getting the info out when a product is "all that" (gear of choice).

 

[Rossum]

I will patiently wait until the market is saturated with many choices in TC. It is then and only then that I will consider purchasing one. It will get MUCH better than the one choice we currently have, IMHO.

When that time comes, will you have the good graces to thank the early adopters who provided the feedback that allowed the technology be improved?

 

[stevegmu]

ProVape P3 is only a variable voltage/VW device and will not have temp control updates without completely changing their technology .......... they have a great device but they are not a player in the Variable wattage/temp control market....

If you want a Temp Controlled P3 with KF4 coils I think you have a long time to wait...

Correction//// P3 is VW/VV combination... my bad...

They put a really beefy processor in P3 and made it updatable by taking it into a dealer or sending it back to ProVape. There's a reason for that...

 

[stevegmu]

http://www.tatroemodsdirect.com/Big-Nasty-DNA-40-p/big-nasty-evolv-dna-40.htm

That's interesting... I usually take a ProVari in 18650 mode to the club with me in case I have to deal with a group of drunk hooligans acting inappropriately to one of my ladies, but a Big Nasty would also do the trick. May have to pick one up before June...

 

[RCHagy74]

I really enjoy my two DNA 40 devices. Is it a bit twitchy and fiddly in some aspects... yes. The thing is though, I was still in he twitch and fiddle stage of kanthal (only had started re-building a few months before the dna 40 debuted).
I was not re-learning anything, so my level of 'AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhdammit' was not so high.

This whole 'this board suxz' thing was bound to happen sooner or later. It always does and I feel bad that it happened to Evolv .
No matter how simple one tries to keep something, the level of complexity eventually gets to a point where something gets missed or worse two or more separate items come into an unforeseen conflict and just screw up everything.
Heck, most of my issues had less to do with the board or the rDNA enclosure, and more with the attys I was using. They were really good for kanthal, not the strict 'tolerances' of nickel.

I do not know how large the beta pool was. One could make an .... of you and me at this point and say it was not large enough. Stones and glass houses I say.
For me, I am resigned to being a beta.1 tester. I may not have to like it, yet, the promise of what this product could be is there.

That and I am a paranoid S.O.B. who does not trust our legislators as far as I can carry an elephant.

We need more than ideas on paper. We need items in our hands that show we are working toward a better product to keep us of the combustibles and not do further harm to ourselves or those who join us every day.
The board, as far as I have noticed, did not - spark, flare, flame, sizzle or explode (the DNA 40 that is... I saw what happened on these boards ). That right there is a win for me.


RCH


That screen glitch was damn annoying though!

 

[Pushbutton]

Pbusardo's take on Temperature Limiting in the DNA 40:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEU4wzDEarU

I must say that this video reflects all of my DNA40 and TC experiences rather accurately.

 

[ukeman]

When that time comes, will you have the good graces to thank the early adopters who provided the feedback that allowed the technology be improved?

more importantly, they (and I) will be on to the latest thing by then... VAPOR

 

[dr g]

You posting false statements. Watch PBusardo one more time.

Nothing false at all about it. Temperature control improves ALL vaping. ALL. Literally no vaping suffers from temperature control.

I don't care about Busardo's opinions, they don't match mine. I figured this stuff out in a couple of days, nickel builds and all, and I was a beta tester so there wasn't much prior knowledge to go by.

When that time comes, will you have the good graces to thank the early adopters who provided the feedback that allowed the technology be improved?

More importantly, will he do something to support the original creators of the technology that all the Chinese makers ripped off?

 

[ukeman]

I haven't watched the vid because I'm not interested. I did watch his first introductory to DNA40 because I wanted to learn how to operate it.

Hell folks, these evolv devices have warranties... I've RMA'ed 2 of my 3 once and they all work great.

I have a few non TP devices and after a couple/few years of using thicker wire and sub ohms coils, before TP came on the scene I realized that thinner wire (30g kanthal) reduced burning due to its faster cool down time, so 10 to 12 wraps and LR ohms (1 to 2 ohms) coils are my kanthal norm... and 5 to 7 volts provides a hell of a vape

But the Ni200 with TP gives a cleaner flavor every time while kanthal and non TP will degrade juice and wick and the difference is noticeable.

I imagine as Pushbutton says, you can minimize heat with kanthal, and get comparable to TP, but imo pre-regulated or 3.7v and 1 to 2 ohms, while doable, limits your ability to ramp up the vapor and warmth. Which brings up another point; with the TP chip you are able to monitor heat/watts with readout.

 

[chia]

TP devices are great.. imho they do bring vaping to a new level..
the problems most ppl are getting are the attys.. and the way nickel wires behaves.. some attys, thru their design, haves too many parts to affect the resistance reading, making TP a difficult option. nickel on the other hand is very soft and sometimes fragile.. if it catches the wrong thread when screwing down you can deform the coil.. and difficult to correct if not done correct in the 1st try..

sometimes I would get the build right the 1st time and I m a happy vaper.. sometimes I would sit at the build table going thru coil after coil.. before I get it right.. but at times not at all and I would turn off the TP in frustration and do a kanthal.. I do admit I m not in the 'pro league' of coil builders.. but I would think it happens more often than guys are willing to admit..

so now I would think the ball is in the RBA manufacturers' court. on how to come up with a better design to accommodate the issues.. like example; better material/design to address the resistance stability, and better wire mounting design for better and more secure wire retention...

 

[retird]

TP devices are great.. imho they do bring vaping to a new level..
the problems most ppl are getting are the attys.. and the way nickel wires behaves.. some attys, thru their design, haves too many parts to affect the resistance reading, making TP a difficult option. nickel on the other hand is very soft and sometimes fragile.. if it catches the wrong thread when screwing down you can deform the coil.. and difficult to correct if not done correct in the 1st try..

sometimes I would get the build right the 1st time and I m a happy vaper.. sometimes I would sit at the build table going thru coil after coil.. before I get it right.. but at times not at all and I would turn off the TP in frustration and do a kanthal.. I do admit I m not in the 'pro league' of coil builders.. but I would think it happens more often than guys are willing to admit..

so now I would think the ball is in the RBA manufacturers' court. on how to come up with a better design to accommodate the issues.. like example; better material/design to address the resistance stability, and better wire mounting design for better and more secure wire retention...

Yep.... I think you make a great point....vaping is still moving at light speed.... toppers, I think will come that are designed for Temp Control.....pre-made nickel coils are already being seen.....and used....more good things to come I think.....

 

[ukeman]

I only use a few different toppers ... see my sig.

I've never had a connectivity issue with Ni200.

 

[retird]

I only use a few different toppers ... see my sig.

I've never had a connectivity issue with Ni200.

Yep.... had to get my glasses to read the sig...(old eyes).... only connectivity difficulty I usually get is from dirty center pins on the atty or 510... just had to update my avi as I no longer ride 'em (harley's)....miss them tho....

 

[RCHagy74]

TP devices are great.. imho they do bring vaping to a new level..
the problems most ppl are getting are the attys.. and the way nickel wires behaves.. some attys, thru their design, haves too many parts to affect the resistance reading, making TP a difficult option. nickel on the other hand is very soft and sometimes fragile.. if it catches the wrong thread when screwing down you can deform the coil.. and difficult to correct if not done correct in the 1st try..

sometimes I would get the build right the 1st time and I m a happy vaper.. sometimes I would sit at the build table going thru coil after coil.. before I get it right.. but at times not at all and I would turn off the TP in frustration and do a kanthal.. I do admit I m not in the 'pro league' of coil builders.. but I would think it happens more often than guys are willing to admit..

so now I would think the ball is in the RBA manufacturers' court. on how to come up with a better design to accommodate the issues.. like example; better material/design to address the resistance stability, and better wire mounting design for better and more secure wire retention...

Since moving over to two dripping attys with fixed 510 pins and very few internal workings compared to my russian 91% I have had no problems with resistance or bouncing in and out of TP mode.
If nickel turns out to be the best option of all wire out there, then board enclosures and attys will have to step up the game to reduce issues of internal resistance and connectivity.
It would be wonderful if Evolv could make the board so as to take into account all things, but (did you all smell that coming?), the more layers of programing added the more likely the conflicts and outright failures that will occur.
That the DNA 40 even functions as well as it does now is amazing to me with everything it is keeping track of.

 

[dr g]

TP devices are great.. imho they do bring vaping to a new level..
the problems most ppl are getting are the attys.. and the way nickel wires behaves.. some attys, thru their design, haves too many parts to affect the resistance reading, making TP a difficult option.

Older atomizers tend to work very well with nickel for this reason. What happened, ironically enough, was that we went from having no adjustability on either side of the 510 connection to adjustability on both sides. One side or the other is okay but both sides spring loaded compromises the connection.

That the DNA 40 even functions as well as it does now is amazing to me with everything it is keeping track of.

Amen, people easily forget how groundbreaking this technology is. It literally rewrote the book on vaping. The Chinese come along and copy, and their disrespect transfers to consumers.

 

[RCHagy74]

Amen, people easily forget how groundbreaking this technology is. It literally rewrote the book on vaping. The Chinese come along and copy, and their disrespect transfers to consumers.

The Vaporshark rDNA 40 is my first regulated mod. If anyone was going to be seriously ...... it would/should be me.
The screen scramble was annoying.
So I rma'd it, after 2.5ish months of use, when my second arrived.
For many of the other issues... Some were me. Others were my choice of attys. Fixed both (well, I am still being difficult).
One day it will (should) be an out of the box, easy to use experience. It is not all on Evolv's shoulders though. Mod makers and atty makers are going to have to step up also (with input and help from Evolv), especially if nickel is the go to and gov't rules and regs mandate temp protection.

Now before you all think I am some Zen hippy:
I spent less than 10 hours trying to get Windows '98 to work back in the day. Told the now ex-wife 'We are getting a Mac... now.'

and bad cookware and cutlery... I am a cooking snob.

 

[retird]

Just liking what you said... " It is not all on Evolv's shoulders though. Mod makers and atty makers are going to have to step up also (with input and help from Evolv), especially if nickel is the go to and gov't rules and regs mandate temp protection."

Some will differ and say it is all on Evolv's shoulders... I agree with you......