What hardware are you using to get the best out of your aroma juice ?

[Guttermouth]

So lemme get this straight....
You put de lime in de coconut your drink em both up
You put de.......

Oop, wrong dimension. re-boot.....

Gutter, the coil pictured is a Nautilis BVC?
Regardless, the BVC's I'm using with success on the istick are the "BDC Replacement" BVC's.
In other words the ones that fit all Aspire tanks other than the Nautilis.

I only mention that cuz I've not used a nautilis. Anyhoo..... dayum but that does look cooked!
So, looking at all the other istick threads and videos, it appears that at the lower settings the iStick will show right at 1 volt higher on a DMM then it's setting would indicate.

RMS vs Avg thang. You understand all that better then I do.

All that typed..... dayum but that looks cooked!
Other than your iStick is wonky put a couple 2 or 3 drops in the coil to help prime is all I got.

hahahaha. yes, the lime and the coconut are currently mixed 'em all up

the coil pictured is an authentic nautilus bvc @ 1.8 ohm that had fluid dripped down the middle,was primed and sat in the tank for a couple of hours,primed again and then burnt by the second puff on the eleaf turned all the way down running 80vg/20pg tobacco road.
i'm about 90% sure it's a wicking issue in the nautilus bvc's at this point -this has happened with coils from 3 different vendors (all codes checked out authentic) in 2 different tanks -it's just strange that it popped up all of the sudden.i had been getting 3ish weeks out of them with no burning whatsoever. i started another 1.8 on the provari @ 3.2v last night and am gonna check it after half a tank and see what kind of charring is going on in there just to see -if it looks as bad as this, i'm just gonna pick up another kfl clone and move completely over to them. the convenience factor from the nautilus isn't worth inhaling potentially dangerous burned substances.
as an aside - what is the cheapest glassomizer that uses the aspire bvc's ? the k1?

 

[Guttermouth]

That coil does look bad. For some reason I didn't recognize the type of coil at first. Probably because I was looking at it on my phone. I've been using the same bvc coil on my mini nautilus since I got it and have been running it on an istick since Tuesday. I am thinking that maybe you were right about it not wicking like you originally said. Since I got it broke in I've been running the istick at around 9 watts with the mini but I've been running 80/20 liquid.

weird.
i guess,in theory, it could be a bad run of coils too but, the chances of getting them from different vendors at the same time has to be astronomical?!

 

[KGie]

hahahaha. yes, the lime and the coconut are currently mixed 'em all up

the coil pictured is an authentic nautilus bvc @ 1.8 ohm that had fluid dripped down the middle,was primed and sat in the tank for a couple of hours,primed again and then burnt by the second puff on the eleaf turned all the way down running 80vg/20pg tobacco road.
i'm about 90% sure it's a wicking issue in the nautilus bvc's at this point -this has happened with coils from 3 different vendors (all codes checked out authentic) in 2 different tanks -it's just strange that it popped up all of the sudden.i had been getting 3ish weeks out of them with no burning whatsoever. i started another 1.8 on the provari @ 3.2v last night and am gonna check it after half a tank and see what kind of charring is going on in there just to see -if it looks as bad as this, i'm just gonna pick up another kfl clone and move completely over to them. the convenience factor from the nautilus isn't worth inhaling potentially dangerous burned substances.
as an aside - what is the cheapest glassomizer that uses the aspire bvc's ? the k1?

I've been following this thread, but I'm not clear on something, maybe I missed it among all the threads I'm following: I see you're going to try this topper setup on the Provari, but up to now, have you tried it on anything other than the iStick?

 

[Guttermouth]

I've been following this thread, but I'm not clear on something, maybe I missed it among all the threads I'm following: I see you're going to try this topper setup on the Provari, but up to now, have you tried it on anything other than the iStick?

yes -i have 2 mini nauts i've been using on the provaris without issue for a couple of months now.the istick and 2 new batches of coils came in at the same time and everything started burning.this is the first coil out of the new batch i've tried on the provari so that should narrow down whether it's the istick or the coils.

 

[KGie]

yes -i have 2 mini nauts i've been using on the provaris without issue for a couple of months now.the istick and 2 new batches of coils came in at the same time and everything started burning.this is the first coil out of the new batch i've tried on the provari so that should narrow down whether it's the istick or the coils.

FWIW, I've been happily using Kanger Aerotank Minis -- the ones with the new dual bottom horizontal coils -- for some time now, with no problems at all. (And am about to switch to the larger Aerotank V2 as soon as Vapemail comes, at least for one of my ADV's. Can you have more than one ADV, I wonder?) I then tried moving two different toppers that had been working with great flavor on the Minis to the iStick -- they were still half-filled and had been working fine on the Minis. For the life of me, I can't get them to taste right on the iStick. Almost at first vape I could tell the power was too high (plus I had a heads-up from watching Phil's video review), so I started turning it down... and down, and down and down. It doesn't matter where I set it -- when I get the power to where the amount of vapor seems right and it seems like everything should be fine, it just tastes off to me, the flavor isn't right, and worse, there's a bad taste note that appears. I've heard it called harsh and I'd have to agree with that.

I love the size and shape of the iStick, I love holding it and using it, it's a great size for my pocket and going out, but I've given up on it. It's sitting on my desk, quite unused.

Just my experience, YMMV.

 

[Guttermouth]

FWIW, I've been happily using Kanger Aerotank Minis -- the ones with the new dual bottom horizontal coils -- for some time now, with no problems at all. (And am about to switch to the larger Aerotank V2 as soon as Vapemail comes, at least for one of my ADV's. Can you have more than one ADV, I wonder?) I then tried moving two different toppers that had been working with great flavor on the Minis to the iStick -- they were still half-filled and had been working fine on the Minis. For the life of me, I can't get them to taste right on the iStick. Almost at first vape I could tell the power was too high (plus I had a heads-up from watching Phil's video review), so I started turning it down... and down, and down and down. It doesn't matter where I set it -- when I get the power to where the amount of vapor seems right and it seems like everything should be fine, it just tastes off to me, the flavor isn't right, and worse, there's a bad taste note that appears. I've heard it called harsh and I'd have to agree with that.

I love the size and shape of the iStick, I love holding it and using it, it's a great size for my pocket and going out, but I've given up on it. It's sitting on my desk, quite unused.

Just my experience, YMMV.

that sounds almost identical to my experience - it just won't regulate down far enough. i do love the feature set and size - you really want to like the little thing.if they fix all this stuff with a second version, they'll sell a kajillion of them.

 

[olderthandirt]

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as an aside - what is the cheapest glassomizer that uses the aspire bvc's ? the k1?

For glass it might be the K1 gutter...... but.....

I've been using a K1 and a mini vivi nova with the BVC's on the iStick.

The BVC's seem to have an airier draw than the BDC's.
The K1 is a much airier draw than the mini vivi.

To whit; BVC in a K1 is like a wind tunnel.
For me to get that combo to work well I have to lung inhale only and hit it HARD at that. K1 and BDC works well.

BVC in the mini vivi, I know it's not glass, is for me perfection for the draw.
Open enough to allow for a lung hit if I desire yet tight enough that it ensures good wicking. And I think I'm prolly using about as thick a liquid as you are.

 

[hittman]

My k1 started out super airy like that so I had it filled with DHT and let it sit for a few days. It seems better now. I really like the aspire mini vivi the best like OTD mentioned.

 

[Guttermouth]

i was talking this over with a buddy of mine today and we both came to the conclusion that it has to be a wicking issue with the nautilus bvc's and since i have three boxes of them sitting here, i might as well try to fix it before i throw money at it.
as of right now, i've drilled out the wicking holes to 1/16th in a fresh 1.8, primed it and will let it soak overnight and then try to fire it up on the eleaf and see what's what.

i pulled apart the coil from the new batch that was fired up on the provari and there was some yellowing but nothing out of the ordinary. i did notice that these coils do seem to have less filler in them which may attribute to the burning issue - the first couple of boxes of these had the coil entirely encased in some sort of wick and then that was wrapped in the "ceramic" cloth and the whole thing shoved down in there. these have just the ceramic cloth and then one little piece as an insulator between the long leg and side of the coil so there is a larger portion of the coil that is not in direct contact with the wicking material.the coil in this one was also coiled rather sloppily -the whole top half of it was just running off in all different directions.may be a "friday" box,so to speak.

i'm not sure if this is a batch specific thing or if aspire had an off day or decided to change it but, they are definitely wrapped more "economically" than the last few boxes i've had...

 

[Guttermouth]

For glass it might be the K1 gutter...... but.....

I've been using a K1 and a mini vivi nova with the BVC's on the iStick.

The BVC's seem to have an airier draw than the BDC's.
The K1 is a much airier draw than the mini vivi.

To whit; BVC in a K1 is like a wind tunnel.
For me to get that combo to work well I have to lung inhale only and hit it HARD at that. K1 and BDC works well.

BVC in the mini vivi, I know it's not glass, is for me perfection for the draw.
Open enough to allow for a lung hit if I desire yet tight enough that it ensures good wicking. And I think I'm prolly using about as thick a liquid as you are.

My k1 started out super airy like that so I had it filled with DHT and let it sit for a few days. It seems better now. I really like the aspire mini vivi the best like OTD mentioned.

thanks for the help and input guys.

 

[KGie]

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i pulled apart the coil from the new batch that was fired up on the provari and there was some yellowing but nothing out of the ordinary. i did notice that these coils do seem to have less filler in them which may attribute to the burning issue - the first couple of boxes of these had the coil entirely encased in some sort of wick and then that was wrapped in the "ceramic" cloth and the whole thing shoved down in there. these have just the ceramic cloth and then one little piece as an insulator between the long leg and side of the coil so there is a larger portion of the coil that is not in direct contact with the wicking material.the coil in this one was also coiled rather sloppily -the whole top half of it was just running off in all different directions.may be a "friday" box,so to speak.
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Gutter, you've got "ceramic" in quotes (at least the first time you used it, in any case), which is sort of my take on it -- have you seen anywhere where Aspire says that filler is actually ceramic? I haven't seen anything definitive about it yet, which is why I'm avoiding them so far. Not that I have anything against ceramic (if that's what it actually is, which I sort of doubt), if the ceramic is prepared right -- huge emphasis on that conditional clause.

I know Jeremy at RBA Supplies goes through a very time-consuming and intensive process to produce his ReadyXWick, and I really don't see Chinese manufacturers putting in that kind of effort and resources on a filler material -- at least not yet. Of course, that's assuming that Jeremy's lengthy kiln processing prevents dust particles smaller than 6 to 8 microns from forming, that that is the critical threshold above which they won't penetrate tissue, and that that process is even necessary to prevent the formation of the smaller dust particles. A lot of "ifs." My guess is all those "ifs" are probably true and I'm probably gonna' try his wick.

Was it you, by the way, that uses ReadyX and likes it a lot? I've heard some real raves about it. Maybe I should get a piece, whack it around a while, fire a torch at it, and then take some pictures I can blow way up and see if I can determine the minimum particle size after it's contended with all that abuse.

Oops, particle... er, thread drift. lol

 

[Guttermouth]

Gutter, you've got "ceramic" in quotes (at least the first time you used it, in any case), which is sort of my take on it -- have you seen anywhere where Aspire says that filler is actually ceramic? I haven't seen anything definitive about it yet, which is why I'm avoiding them so far. Not that I have anything against ceramic (if that's what it actually is, which I sort of doubt), if the ceramic is prepared right -- huge emphasis on that conditional clause.

I know Jeremy at RBA Supplies goes through a very time-consuming and intensive process to produce his ReadyXWick, and I really don't see Chinese manufacturers putting in that kind of effort and resources on a filler material -- at least not yet. Of course, that's assuming that Jeremy's lengthy kiln processing prevents dust particles smaller than 6 to 8 microns from forming, that that is the critical threshold above which they won't penetrate tissue, and that that process is even necessary to prevent the formation of the smaller dust particles. A lot of "ifs." My guess is all those "ifs" are probably true and I'm probably gonna' try his wick.

Was it you, by the way, that uses ReadyX and likes it a lot? I've heard some real raves about it. Maybe I should get a piece, whack it around a while, fire a torch at it, and then take some pictures I can blow way up and see if I can determine the minimum particle size after it's contended with all that abuse.

Oops, particle... er, thread drift. lol

yeah man - i don't buy the whole ceramic thing in the nautilus (and btw - it's otd that digs the readywick so much. i couldn't get it to not fray and put off dust in the process but, my attention span for tweaking is severely limited these days - i'll be happy to send some your way if you wanna try it out).

i'll just put it this way:
i've seen a lot of filler material in my day and viva branded paper towels look awful close to the stuff in the nauts.now, that's not scientific by any means and i know a lot of people get all bunged up about aspire being a stand up company and all but, the char in the coils i've seen thus far ain't washing out and i'll gladly put a torch on it to prove myself wrong but, if i had 20 bucks to waste, i'd put it on the english to asian translation being "some sort of material vaguely similar to something that used to almost be in the ceramic family" or "sheet silica"....

i seem to remember the ceramic wicking being a big selling point when they came out and looking at their website now, all the descriptions just say "no wick"so, who knows? i do know it looks completely different than the stuff jeremy is selling and i would be more inclined to believe him than a large unregulated business whose sales volume relies heavily on people on the other side of the planet doing untested things with their untested,unregulated product. i'm a cynical jerkface though

 

[olderthandirt]

What you describe sounds awfully much like a crap batch o' heads gutter.
I only say that based on pics I've seen elsewhere mind.

KGie, yes it is I, the bag o' bones that haunts the hallowed halls of Aroma whut likes the RDX.
I've got the small size in an Igo-L and the large in a Patriot. The stuff hoovers liquid like nobodies bidness!
Threads in and out of the coils easily enough that I can pull the wick, rinse it and torch it, dry burn the coil, re-insert the wick and be vaping in the same time if not faster than doing the same operation with cotton.

I've been using the same wick in the Igo for several weeks now, no signs of degradation at all.

 

[KGie]

yeah man - i don't buy the whole ceramic thing in the nautilus (and btw - it's otd that digs the readywick so much. i couldn't get it to not fray and put off dust in the process but, my attention span for tweaking is severely limited these days - i'll be happy to send some your way if you wanna try it out).
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i seem to remember the ceramic wicking being a big selling point when they came out and looking at their website now, all the descriptions just say "no wick"so, who knows? i do know it looks completely different than the stuff jeremy is selling and i would be more inclined to believe him than a large unregulated business whose sales volume relies heavily on people on the other side of the planet doing untested things with their untested,unregulated product. i'm a cynical jerkface though

In my observations, cynical jerkfaces live longer and healthier lives than always polite trusting people. (Nothing against the polite part, mind you, just what it often accompanies.)

 

[hittman]

Gutter I just loaded my mini with berry best p'cakes which should be as thick as the Tobacco Road with a 1.8 coil and it's working fine. I hope you figure out your problems soon.

 

[olderthandirt]

Gutter
Didja ever try to scope your iStick?

 

[Guttermouth]

Gutter I just loaded my mini with berry best p'cakes which should be as thick as the Tobacco Road with a 1.8 coil and it's working fine. I hope you figure out your problems soon.

weird!!!
man, i guess i got 3 bad or partially bad boxes of nautilus coils then.
the 1.8 that i drilled out, primed,etc..etc..i let it sit all night and most of the day today and it seems to be humming right along with the airflow down on the second smallest hole(although, the istick had run down a bit on the charge by the time i put it on there).i'm gonna keep using it with tobacco road untill the coil gets funky or burns up so i can see how it reacts on a full charge.
as an aside, one thing i noticed is that with a kayfun - the istick is waaay,waaay smoother and the flavor is better.i don't know if it's from the extra mass evening the heating out or the extra juice keeping the coil cooler but, that little battery kicks .... with them.of course, it's slightly goofy looking and top heavy but with a high-ish resistance coil and a touch more cotton, it does pretty well in all the key areas.it may be worth looking into one of their lemo's and see if it's as smooth without being soo top heavy.

 

[Guttermouth]

Gutter
Didja ever try to scope your iStick?

nosir - all my tools are just too ancient.if you got a tube powered eleaf,on the other hand, i got you covered

i would need to build a resistance box of some sort to fool the battery into firing with no atomizer as well -and then, well.. you know... math *shakes fist* MATH!!!

 

[Guttermouth]

In my observations, cynical jerkfaces live longer and healthier lives than always polite trusting people. (Nothing against the polite part, mind you, just what it often accompanies.)

the real question though, is :
who has more fun ????


hehehehe.

 

[hittman]

Now you've got me thinking gutter. I could come up with a good size rheostat and vary the resistance to see how the stick output varies according to load. A lot of the ones I use at work are high wattage and usually in the 0 to 15 ohm range. See what you did. I'm not having problems but you've got me thinking about it.