What in the world is wrong with simplicity?

[AlmightyGod]

It's really a matter of personal preference.

I have the Monkeyboxx & Phidias & love them both. Lots of choices though. Pick the one YOU like!

 

[grandmato5]

Interesting thread to read. Simplicity is simply in the mind of the beholder. And to a great degree determined by their own vaping experiences. The greater the experience the more likely they realize that there's just as much simplicity in mods as there is in the 510 and/or similiar models. There is NO best for everyone in the world of vaping as we are all a bit different therefore there is NO perfect answer to a newbie looking for recommendations for their first PV. Yes, I totally agree to attempt to keep the terminology simple as there's a whole new vocabulary to be learned with vaping and it is confusing to most that haven't vaped yet. BUT as far as a simple response as to what they should purchase there is no simple answer that will fit for all people and never will be.

While most looking for their first e-cig do say they want their PV to look like a cigarette they most often ALSO say they want to buy ONE model that they will continue to last for a long time to come. While its true that some people will continue to use their 510 for a long time many many more will quickly be purchasing something with better battery life. IMHO its not fair to listen to one one part of their request and ignor the other in our responses. PLUS they are looking to us for recommendations based upon our experiences and for a lot of us (no not all) our experience has shown us that a few short weeks after starting with a cigarette look-a-like that's no longer a top priority in our PV but battery life does continue to be a priority no matter how long we vape.

IMHO if a person that comes here looking for recommendations is so turned off they give up by the variety of recommendations that they receive because all they want is a simple answer then IMO they are not good candidates to become successful vaporers. Vaping is not a simple pick it up and vape and you'll be an ex smoker. Vaping does take some time and effort. And yes its worth every bit of it, but not everyone is going to feel that way.

 

[MissKitty47]

Thank you, Almighty! It's confusing to look at them and not know what all I need, do they just house batteries or does it have a juice bottle

 

[AlmightyGod]

Thank you, Almighty! It's confusing to look at them and not know what all I need, do they just house batteries or does it have a juice bottle

Juice Box's are made to house a battery and a bottle of juice.
Depending on the model, they will have a 3ml or 6ml bottle.
The atomizer screws to the top and uses a drip tip.
Commonly used are the LR510 or LR306 atomizer.
Most of the boxes use the 18650 battery or the 14500 battery.

I would be happy to suggest places to buy all of these accessories...just send me a PM.

 

[porkchopsisgood]

I think we've left your original point behind...the point is well made. But, if I can offer a different opinion here, the only way for anyone to learn is to research. The only thing that will compel someone new to research is to post to them as equal; it's not fair to assume someone's knowledge of a subject based on the number below his avatar, or even by the questions he/she asks. I like the fact that most ECF'ers except newcomers (present company definitely included), as equals from the very start. Those who attempt to be helpful by watering down responses tend to condescend, and that'll run someone off a whole lot faster than going over their head. Additionally, it's easy to see if a new poster is not getting something, and most responses to follow mete out the situation...think "truth will out."

As for your box mod opinion...I think that's 'all good in da hood'....do your thing. I love my eGo. That being stated, I've hardly touched it in the past week for use of my OldGoat 5v Box Mod. I'm glad I started with the eGo, because I certainly wouldn't have taken to vaping with an NJoy or a 510 from the 7-11...but some do, and that's just fine. Forgive me for stating this, but I feel as if you're defending your choice of sticking with an eGo, as if your not willing to 'evolve' or something. I don't believe that's the case in the least. The eGo is an amazing product...it's simplicity coupled with it's versatility make it an amazing device. I'll be forever grateful to it as well...but I'm pretty sure I'm now a 5v vaper.

Meh...to each his own.

 

[MissKitty47]

Porkchop...I was just looking at that very same one! I know you also had the eGo Tank...from your post, I am greatly heartened! DH and I just aren't getting anywhere with the tank. To Sassy's point, AG just helped me tremendously thru private message...mayhap those that ARE confused by the jargon could ask someone they see as knowledgeable and a veteran and ask for help via pm? Just an idea.

This is just MY humble opinion, but I feel that Sassy is worried some people will just give up if it's too complicated. That could be, but then we might lose folks because no one will give them a meaningful answer. We just can't outguess what someone will think. From what I've encountered on this forum, however, the folks here check thru the newbie thread and offer enough different options, the newbie is more than likely to take what strikes a chord with them and leave the rest. Kinda like life...

Please don't take to name calling or hard feelings..this forum is way to wonderful for that!

Sassy, have you checked out the Women's forum yet? You may feel more comfortable asking questions there, and it seems sometimes that women can better relate to different issues...like how to carry your gear in a purse, how not to get lipstick all over your PV...you know, the Girly stuff!

I think we've all had our eyes and ears opened, we'll all be a little more plain trying to explain...let's call this discussion done and get back to helping each other. We're all here because we want knowledge and ideas from our peers. No one's solution is going to be EVERYONE's solution. But that doesn't mean we can't all get along and play nicely, right?!

 

[Sassyonemeis]

I'd like to be clear. I didnt ask any question, so I am not "griefing" anyone.

Since I didnt ask any question, there was no answer to not like.

I've done a TON of research by myself on this site.

I have not been rude, but plenty on this thread, including you, have been rude with your sarcastic and unappreciated responses.

It does not help to overwhelm a newbie with technical information they do not understand.

It does not help a newbie to recommend a $150 mod when they are looking for cheap and plainly say so.

My rant has been that a few of you veterans dont really listen to what the newbie is asking and go off on your own preferential tangents, which has been clearly demonstrated on this thread a good many times.

Live and learn, and I've learned quite a bit about a few of you thanks to this thread. Wish I could say it was at least pleasant.

What I don't understand is this: Being new, why bother asking a question at all you're going to do is grief the person attempting to help you?

If you don't like the answers, do the research yourself. It is completely unfair, not to mention rude, to place your own expectations on other people. Especially those who are trying to help.

 

[wv2win]

It's interesting that the OP's choice for a PV is an eGo. But if the average vaper on this forum 2 years ago had followed what apprears to be his point that "simple" is best and nothing else is needed, then the OP would not have his eGo to vape on. Instead he/she would be vaping on a basic 4081, 801 or 901 and only with auto batteries that were 80 mAh. Because that was all there was. And in reality, the eGo IS A MOD, heaven forbid. How did the eGo come about? Well, 2-3 years ago, Trog, a vaper in the UK said what is available to vape with isn't good enough and came up with the first "mod" called a Screwdriver. Eventually the Chinese and Trog got together and the 905 was created and out of that came the eGo which is just a different looking Screwdriver. So if we take the position that "simple" is best, you will likely end up with something that does not get the job done. The more we know, the more we improve.

 

[Copperhead]

Porkchop...I was just looking at that very same one! I know you also had the eGo Tank...from your post, I am greatly heartened! DH and I just aren't getting anywhere with the tank. To Sassy's point, AG just helped me tremendously thru private message...mayhap those that ARE confused by the jargon could ask someone they see as knowledgeable and a veteran and ask for help via pm? Just an idea.

Sassy, have you checked out the Women's forum yet? You may feel more comfortable asking questions there, and it seems sometimes that women can better relate to different issues...like how to carry your gear in a purse, how not to get lipstick all over your PV...you know, the Girly stuff!

I realize that you may be distracted by running your own personal thread inside of this one…but if you’re going to participate in the Original posters part of it …please try and figure out what the discussion is about…

 

[VAPRGAL]

I'll vape to that, I'm with you on this...

 

[JudgeVape]

I've been at this for 6 months or so and I still use a stock shorty 808 battery and filler cartos. It works for me so I have no interest in exploring any further. I'm trying to replace my smoking addiction, nothing more.

Here's the thing though. Let's divide all the thousands of folks who started out with your shorty 808 into three groups.

1. Those, like you, who stuck with it for a long period of time/indefinitely.
2. Those who eventually upgraded to something more powerful (be it an eGo or a Provari or anything in between)
3. Those who gave up and started smoking again.

While we will never know if I am right or not, if firm numbers did exist I would bet $100 that those from group 3 outnumber those from groups 1 and 2 combined. Now, those people from group 3 went back to analogs for a variety of reasons, but I would be pretty comfortable predicting that dissatisfaction with their vaping experience inherent to the performance of that device (both in terms of battery life and quality of the "hits") would be right near the top of the list.

Speaking generally I think some of this pv stuff is going overboard. We lost sight of the fact that this is a cigarette replacement, its not supposed to be a race to see if you can knock your bloody head off with vapor competition.

That is a pretty substantial mis-characterization of most of the advice found in this thread.

Mods,variable voltage,low resistance,etc are for hobbyists and not necessary in order for a new user to have a satisfactory vaping experience.

Yet starting with a true 3.7 device would provide a more satisfactory vaping experience to more people and for about the same money.

 

[FreakyStylie]

Personally I think the simplest thing to do is close the thread.

It seems as though it has served it's purpose and is nothing more than a "my side, their side" sort of thing.

There is nothing left to gain from this. The horse is dead.

 

[MissKitty47]

I realize that you may be distracted by running your own personal thread inside of this one…but if you’re going to participate in the Original posters part of it …please try and figure out what the discussion is about…

Well, thank you? BTW, Sassy IS the OP

 

[porkchopsisgood]

Wow...this is the second thread I've observed and posted to in as many days that has turned into a vaping war...

MissKitty47, I hope you're enjoying the box mod! I'm off the eGo-T bandwagon, at least for now, but I'm glad some are using the atties for more than pencil holders.

Simple concept: if a noob asks a question it is certain a veteran poster will try to answer it. We are a very eclectic group; it is certainly not necessary to have a PhD. to answer or understand the postings on this forum. Some veterans are also bound to be better posters, from a grammatical standpoint, than others. Who cares? As long as the point gets across everything's great.

If, after a response to the OP is made, and another feels something is amiss and should be addressed, that person will become a clarifying poster (hopefully).

Wash, rinse, repeat.

The original poster has caused strife because the post imposed a negative generalization onto certain members of the forum; whether the opinion is correct or not, it is a stab at the hearts of people who feel they are being helpful, and about 99.5% of the time, they are.

You went about your paradigm shift in the wrong manner.

 

[Sassyonemeis]

taken from the newbie thread just last night... this is all I have been trying to point out...

okay, you guys are scaring the heck out of me.... I don't mind if what i'm using doesn't look like a newport. I watched a good amount of vids showing off all sorts of contraptions. I checked out some vids showing off the darwin but with its 200+ price i can live w/o it for the moment. What i realy want is a nicotine delivery system that is portable with decent batteries that can last 6 hrs. Preferably I will be able to charge it on the go. All this talk is confusing the hell out of me ( most I understand - but no matter what I get I will probably find something better down the road) So Guys this is it.... Sorta. I am going to buy the Ego-T starter kit + an extra battery + a sample pack of juices from that something wood website. And a few extra tanks. - I think this is a good idea... And if you guys have any hints/tips/tricks/suggestions Please feel free to message me. Thanks a Bunch!!!! -g0al

 

[WomanOfHeart]

taken from the newbie thread just last night... this is all I have been trying to point out...

That was only part of the thread. Overall, that person did get some good advice and apparently made a choice that they feel is a good one for them. I think the poster asserted himself quite well. In a forum of this size and scope, you're bound to get all kinds of things thrown at you in a newbie thread. I'm not saying that it's always right or that it's always what the OP is going for, but that's how it is. In the end, everyone on that thread was trying to be helpful. Personally, I don't recommend "mods" to new people. But I can't stop anyone else from doing so and I won't bother trying.

 

[TNT]

I'm a newbie, just two months into serious vaping. I've got to say that my progression has been completely towards simple... I wanted to start simple, and the more I liked vaping, the simpler I wanted to be. For me, it doesn't get much simpler than a REO Grand. I had a bit of a learning curve, but now that I've got the hang of it, there's not a lot to think about with a Grand.

I'd like to try variable voltage, so I have an Ali'i on the way. I really don't need to know if I'm vaping at 4.7 or 4.8 and I don't want to remember how many button presses to do whatever. I just want to turn a dial up or down if the vape is looking to do that.

That said, would I encourage someone new to buy either of those mods? Probably not. Would I discourage them from starting with either? No.

On the other hand, my first experience with an e-cig back in March, 2009, was so bad that I didn't think about e-cigs for almost two years.

 

[wv2win]

I'm a newbie, just two months into serious vaping. I've got to say that my progression has been completely towards simple... I wanted to start simple, and the more I liked vaping, the simpler I wanted to be. For me, it doesn't get much simpler than a REO Grand. I had a bit of a learning curve, but now that I've got the hang of it, there's not a lot to think about with a Grand.

I'd like to try variable voltage, so I have an Ali'i on the way. I really don't need to know if I'm vaping at 4.7 or 4.8 and I don't want to remember how many button presses to do whatever. I just want to turn a dial up or down if the vape is looking to do that.

That said, would I encourage someone new to buy either of those mods? Probably not. Would I discourage them from starting with either? No.

On the other hand, my first experience with an e-cig back in March, 2009, was so bad that I didn't think about e-cigs for almost two years.[/QUOTE]

That last statement speaks volumes. This new user came back but it took 2 years. IMO, multiply that by 10 to get an idea of the ones that never come back because of a weak performing PV.

And let's be clear, the eGo/Riva is a mod.

 

[bassthumper]

are you kidding me? you are still arguing over this???
Hey Sassy- GET OVER IT are you seriously that hung up on how we recommend ecigs to newbies? Are you kidding me?
I'm not gonna recommend something that doesn't work worth a CRAP. Neither should you. I speak the truth to the newbies. I also have experience with multiple mods. I've heard you don't. Am I missing something? Sounds to me you don't have an argument when you don't even know both sides!!! EVERYTIME I've converted a vaper, they've moved onto mods or something stronger. It's just the way it is. You can argue that YOUR OPINION is FACT but that's just what it is. Your opinion.
Do you have a LIFE?
Then move on and live it. This is ridiculous.
sorry but SOMEONE needed to put the OP in their place. Same needs to go for this DUMB thread. Please close it Kthxbye

 

[Renro]

OP has a valid point. When answering a question, it would be helpful to understand something about the person asking the question, how much exposure, experience, knowledge are they bringing to the table?

Is the point of answering a question to help make a successful transition to vaping or is it to promote something?

There is no sub-forum with a glossary of terminology or technical reference materials. It takes time to absorb all the information and even the simplest info can seem daunting.

What I got from the OP was simply a request to take into consideration the person asking the question.

I love this forum. I doubt i would have been able to quit tobacco and make a successful transition to vaping without the information and support supplied here, especially from the members who reached out with PM's to educate and support me. Still, it's a slow process and if a simple suggestion to consider the questioner when answering the question would speed things up, or make things easier, then why not?