What is 50 X 40 Million?

[zoiDman]

Sounds like other States had better Get In line Quick if they want their piece of the Pie.

Juul Will Pay North Carolina $40 Million To Settle A Landmark Suit Over Teen Vaping

Oh wait... Some Already have.

Attorney General Becerra and Los Angeles Leaders Announce Lawsuit Against JUUL for Deceptive Marketing Practices Targeting Underage Californians and Endangering Users of Its Vaping Products

And the AG who brought this Suit against juul is Now the Secretary of US Health and Human Services. Which oversees the FDA. That same FDA that is Evaluating juul's PMTA Application.

When it Rains it Pours.

 

[zoiDman]

They "settled". It's a drop in the bucket compared to their dreams of cornering the market as their political compatriots kill the competition for them.

They own the golden goose. They'll happily "settle".

But that Dream of Dominance is ALL Based on them being allowed to Sell their Products in the USA. And they Don't Control that Destiny.

Remember: The FSTCA and the FDA's PMTA Process was Never Designed to Allow tobacco Products to enter the Market. It was Design to Keep New Tobacco Products out of the Market.

As if having a "Teen Vaping Epidemic" named after you wasn't enough? And the Agency who controls the FDA is run by someone who wants your Head on a Pike. Now you've got a Big-Time Legal Judgement Against you.

Sounds to me like that Goose Ain't so Well. And is about an 1/8th of a Step away from being put on Life Support.

 

[YoursTruli]

How Juul Got Vaporized

 

[zoiDman]

I think Tobacco Control and the state AGs are hoping for another "Master Settlement Agreement".

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If AG's (and Interested Parties) felt that JUUL was going to be around Moving Forward, than something like a MSA might be on their plates.

But I think most feel that JUUL is on the Green Mile. So they should be Getting while there is Something left to Get.

After all the Hype and Misfortune that has surrounded JUUL from about Day 1, I just can't see Zeller standing up a Podium say'n that he is Pleased to Announce that JUUL is going to be one of the Select Few who will be Allowed to sell e-Cigarettes in America.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

50 x 40 Million = More than Juul's Net Worth.

39 states investigating Juul over health claims, marketing practices

The last bit in that article speaks volumes.

Tong said the investigation would determine whether Juul has "done enough" to mitigate the damage, which he said has already "been done."

"They dominate 80 to 90% of this marketplace, and we have a youth vaping epidemic that is sweeping the country," he said. "We need to understand the extent to which they are responsible.

"We're gonna hold them accountable."

To me, it looks like the gooberment fat lady is nearing the stage.

 

[Coyote628]

The last bit in that article speaks volumes.

Tong said the investigation would determine whether Juul has "done enough" to mitigate the damage, which he said has already "been done."

"They dominate 80 to 90% of this marketplace, and we have a youth vaping epidemic that is sweeping the country," he said. "We need to understand the extent to which they are responsible.

"We're gonna hold them accountable."

To me, it looks like the gooberment fat lady is nearing the stage.

I have a real problem with the phrase "youth vaping epidemic". Scare tactics is all it is. The bottom line is vaping takes customers cash away from tobacco companies. There has been a "youth SMOKING epidemic" from the first day people smoked tobacco. Nearly every lifelong smoker (tobacco customer) started smoking at an early age. Where was all the outrage then? There wasn't. Its a fact smoking tobacco kills. But that is not what the government is concerned with. Tobacco companies pay the government a LOT of money to keep their products on the market. We all know this and I know I'm just preaching to the choir.

 

[smacuser]

Asheville vape shop owner applauds NC's teen vaping settlement with Juul

"He also believes this settlement will be good for the vaping industry in the long run, by reminding companies to market and sell responsibly and refocus on the mission to help people quit smoking."

 

[zoiDman]

E-Cigarette & Juul Lawsuits | Seizures, Lung Injury and Stroke

Status of Juul Lawsuits

As of July 22, 2020, there were 758 Juul lawsuits from around the United States combined in multidistrict litigation (MDL), MDL-2913.

Many lawsuits claim Juul’s marketing targets minors, and the company denies this.

 

[borno]

What's a crying shame? a bus full of lawyers going off a cliff with one empty seat.

 

[zoiDman]

Never used one, so what do I care.

The Big Reason is because it sets a Legal Precedent. Which other Litigants can use in Lawsuits against other e-Cigarette OEM's.

 

[zoiDman]

They can't stop me from making my own.
The cat got out of the bag a long time ago.

Here, try this.
http://www.howder.com/dena_howto.pdf

Sure... There will Always be the availability to build a Mod yourself.

But probably 99.98% of the people who use an e-Cigarette Don't have the Knowledge or Expertise to make a mod from scratch.

 

[Ed Brown]

I think vapers should sue Juul too, because Juul ruined it for us.

 

[Str8vision]

What is 50 X 40 Million?

Correct answer is: Enough to make the war against vaping a profitable enterprise.

 

[FoolishMortal]

"tobacco control groups".

Think about how messed up that is. They're not trying to control people. No sir. It's "tobacco" they're controlling.

Sir, it appears that tobacco is out of control!
Oh no! Tobacco has gotten loose again!? Why are you standing there?! Git em!

"____ control" is just another way of saying "We want to control YOU, but we'll blame it on ____."

The saddest types are those kind souls who enlist in such causes, but don't realize this. They neither do good nor profit.

Prohibition never cured any ills. It only shuffled profits about.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

E-Cigarette & Juul Lawsuits | Seizures, Lung Injury and Stroke

Status of Juul Lawsuits

As of July 22, 2020, there were 758 Juul lawsuits from around the United States combined in multidistrict litigation (MDL), MDL-2913.

Many lawsuits claim Juul’s marketing targets minors, and the company denies this.

I didn't read everything on that page, but man, there sure is a lot there.

Including info on how to file an e-cig or Juul lawsuit.

 

[zoiDman]

Is that a Cloupor Mini Hybrid Mech?

Looks more like a SMOK Proto-Type.

 

[Territoo]

Juul Settles NC Lawsuit for $40M, but Faces Bigger Legal Hurdles - Vaping360

 

[YoursTruli]

Juul Settles NC Lawsuit for $40M, but Faces Bigger Legal Hurdles - Vaping360

"Tobacco control groups are hopeful that the addition of RICO charges will force Juul and Altria to agree to a large multi-state settlement similar to the 1998 Master Settlement Agreement (MSA) between 46 state attorneys general and the major tobacco companies. As part of the MSA, tobacco manufacturers agreed to pay states billions of dollars yearly to avoid further litigation."

gotta replace that tobacco bond money
...so that won't happen if they force Juul into bankruptcy or if the FDA does not approve their PMTAs...

 

[FoolishMortal]

Asheville vape shop owner applauds NC's teen vaping settlement with Juul

"He also believes this settlement will be good for the vaping industry in the long run, by reminding companies to market and sell responsibly and refocus on the mission to help people quit smoking."

I believe that cannibalism is good, because fewer people will go hungry.

 

[zoiDman]

50 x 40 Million = More than Juul's Net Worth.

39 states investigating Juul over health claims, marketing practices