What IS the infatuation with "Massive Clouds" of "vapor"?? Is it necessary for enjoyment or a fad?

[Funk Dracula]

The only thing that bothers me about it to a certain extent is seeing newbies jumping straight into something they have no concept of.

There is this impatience and sense of urgency coming from new users to tackle sub-ohming. To "cloud chase."

There was a thread a few weeks ago with a guy asking about his very first set-up he was sent home from a B&M with. It was a dual coil .4Ω Igo-W on a K100. Darwin award for the B&M. The poster handled the situation and advice offered here fairly well, realizing he had been sold something a bit inappropriate for his experience level. I'm sure he'll be fine; but honestly being a naive new user he was set up for potentially dangerous mistakes, like buying the wrong kind of spare batteries off of eBay, or moving his coils around and shorting them. Brand new e-cig user sent home with a .4Ω dual coil and notta clue!

Just yesterday, some newbie was leaving multiple threads asking about their dual coil build they made, and asking some good questions. They were waiting for their first mech to arrive, and trying to order the right stuff and be prepared. That's great! However, good advice felt somewhat ignored in lieu of instant gratification and the misplaced good intentions of "finding the best, at a good deal, RIGHT NOW."

"Should I order these 5000mAh 18650 batteries?" - misguided intentions of having the "best" and "longest lasting" battery for their device for the best price. Of course this was met with replies and answers of "NO! DON'T!!" from the community. Good job ECF!

"Okay I ordered these!" - misguided purchase of most likely Alibaba sourced batteries off of eBay.

This was eBay sellers product description;

---"This listing is for one pair of the fabled "ORANGE" MNKE batteries. Yes, it is for two pieces and yes, shipping is included. You know you've been looking for these batteries but cannot find it anywhere. And once you do, it is either out of stock or are selling for $14.99 each + $2.99 S&H.

If you sub-ohm or do microcoils, you know that these are the only batteries that you should be using!!"

18650 MNKE's are no longer being made.

Impatience and enthusiasm for "cloud chasing" rigs is causing quite a bit of a mess for new e-cig users, and a market-place for sham vendors selling snake oil.

We've seen the stories of the sham vendors selling sub-par eGo style batteries and chargers blowing up. Just wait until this happens with a non-safe chemistry 18650 battery venting from a .3Ω coil now that "cloud chasing" rigs are becoming the norm to sell to completely in-experienced new users.

 

[Ryedan]

I suspect the popularity of winding coils will peak and fade into a niche aspect of the vaping world like dripping. The convenience of other atomizing solutions will win out with most vapers. I see the same thing happening with clearos. A lot of vapers are returning to carto tanks for their combined ease of use and superior vapor quality.

IMO this stuff is already a niche aspect of vaping. I read some stats about e-cig market share for manufacturers a little while back and if I remember correctly about half of vapers out there are using disposables. Out of about 2 million vapers in North America, there are about 21,000 active ECF members today.

 

[emus]

I think the "it produces better flavor and/or throat hit" arguments are rationalizations. I think it's a demonstration of vaping prowess. Like a peacock's plume, it says "I have vaping vitality - I'm good at this, and I feel good about myself for being a master". No different than peeling out at a stop light in the car you got tuned.

My four walls don't concur.

Just a mildly entertaining but satisfying way to enjoy zero nic.

Where can I buy this prowess you speak of.

 

[edyle]

The only thing that bothers me about it to a certain extent is seeing newbies jumping straight into something they have no concept of.

There is this impatience and sense of urgency coming from new users to tackle sub-ohming. To "cloud chase."

There was a thread a few weeks ago with a guy asking about his very first set-up he was sent home from a B&M with. It was a dual coil .4Ω Igo-W on a K100. Darwin award for the B&M. The poster handled the situation and advice offered here fairly well, realizing he had been sold something a bit inappropriate for his experience level. I'm sure he'll be fine; but honestly being a naive new user he was set up for potentially dangerous mistakes, like buying the wrong kind of spare batteries off of eBay, or moving his coils around and shorting them. Brand new e-cig user sent home with a .4Ω dual coil and notta clue!

Just yesterday, some newbie was leaving multiple threads asking about their dual coil build they made, and asking some good questions. They were waiting for their first mech to arrive, and trying to order the right stuff and be prepared. That's great! However, good advice felt somewhat ignored in lieu of instant gratification and the misplaced good intentions of "finding the best, at a good deal, RIGHT NOW."

"Should I order these 5000mAh 18650 batteries?" - misguided intentions of having the "best" and "longest lasting" battery for their device for the best price. Of course this was met with replies and answers of "NO! DON'T!!" from the community. Good job ECF!

"Okay I ordered these!" - misguided purchase of most likely Alibaba sourced batteries off of eBay.

This was eBay sellers product description;

---"This listing is for one pair of the fabled "ORANGE" MNKE batteries. Yes, it is for two pieces and yes, shipping is included. You know you've been looking for these batteries but cannot find it anywhere. And once you do, it is either out of stock or are selling for $14.99 each + $2.99 S&H.

If you sub-ohm or do microcoils, you know that these are the only batteries that you should be using!!"

18650 MNKE's are no longer being made.

Impatience and enthusiasm for "cloud chasing" rigs is causing quite a bit of a mess for new e-cig users, and a market-place for sham vendors selling snake oil.

We've seen the stories of the sham vendors selling sub-par eGo style batteries and chargers blowing up. Just wait until this happens with a non-safe chemistry 18650 battery venting from a .3Ω coil now that "cloud chasing" rigs are becoming the norm to sell to completely in-experienced new users.

This thing about sub ohming is very disturbing to me.
I would not have interpreted cloud-chasing to mean subohming, nor would I have interpreted it to mean vaping at 400 watts as I saw another post; but yeah, on that aspect of it, there's something too extreme there I think.


I expect few decades long smokers would have any interest in such extremety; for me personally I basically *require* a cigar level foggyness to be satisfied

 

[generic mutant]

This thing about sub ohming is very disturbing to me.
I would not have interpreted cloud-chasing to mean subohming, nor would I have interpreted it to mean vaping at 400 watts as I saw another post; but yeah, on that aspect of it, there's something too extreme there I think.


I expect few decades long smokers would have any interest in such extremety; for me personally I basically *require* a cigar level foggyness to be satisfied

They're not, of course, exactly the same thing, they just overlap significantly.

The advent of 'microcoils' was probably quite fortuitous in that respect. People were pushing lower and lower in resistance, and the popularity of microcoils seems to have arrested that push somewhat.

Probably not a coincidence, either - I imagine people started getting close to the limits of their batteries, so started branching out to different coil designs.

 

[edyle]

IMO this stuff is already a niche aspect of vaping. I read some stats about e-cig market share for manufacturers a little while back and if I remember correctly about half of vapers out there are using disposables. Out of about 2 million vapers in North America, there are about 21,000 active ECF members today.

Don't mean to drag off topic, but ECF is not the north american forum otherwise, I for one wouldn't pick this site instead of the uk or aussie site to post on.

So forget the 2 million vapers in north america and consider the... I dunno.. 20 million vapers IN THE WORLD; and out of that only 21000 active ECF members.

I can't imagine how many smokers there are in China right now.

 

[David Muffmucher]

They're not, of course, exactly the same thing, they just overlap significantly.

The advent of 'microcoils' was probably quite fortuitous in that respect. People were pushing lower and lower in resistance, and the popularity of microcoils seems to have arrested that push somewhat.

Probably not a coincidence, either - I imagine people started getting close to the limits of their batteries, so started branching out to different coil designs.

I'm running a 0.3 ohm microcoil right now. Used to do 3/4 wraps @ 0.1-0.2 ohm coils.

 

[lvm111]

What I find amusing is how many times lately I've heard "I can't afford to use iclear 30's, they go through juice too fast"! lol. So, apparently not everyone is a fan of the huge clouds.

best regards, larry mac

 

[BlueSnake]

I personally have never understood why anyone vapes more than they smoked. Whether that's clouds, mg of nicotine, or chain vaping. Unless you smoked cigars I just don't get the massive cloud thing.

Oh well, to each his own, I guess.

 

[edyle]

I personally have never understood why anyone vapes more than they smoked. Whether that's clouds, mg of nicotine, or chain vaping. Unless you smoked cigars I just don't get the massive cloud thing.

Oh well, to each his own, I guess.

Why anyone vapes more than they smoked.
- Well it's a little dicey defining that, but one intuitive way would be to measure the time spent (almost ) continuously doing the 'thing'; in which case, it is a simple matter of logistics; with smoking if you feel like taking a smoke you'd have to LIGHT UP; if that's not convenient you just have to wait till later; with vaping, there's no lightup; you don't have to take a whole 5 minute break, you could take a 5 SECOND break.

 

[Ryedan]

IMO this stuff is already a niche aspect of vaping. I read some stats about e-cig market share for manufacturers a little while back and if I remember correctly about half of vapers out there are using disposables. Out of about 2 million vapers in North America, there are about 21,000 active ECF members today.

Don't mean to drag off topic, but ECF is not the north american forum otherwise, I for one wouldn't pick this site instead of the uk or aussie site to post on.

So forget the 2 million vapers in north america and consider the... I dunno.. 20 million vapers IN THE WORLD; and out of that only 21000 active ECF members.

I can't imagine how many smokers there are in China right now.

I apologize, I did not explain my 21,000 ECF'ers comment very well at all.

ECF is certainly not restricted to US or NA vapers, but I have the feeling that abaout 90% of ECF'ers are from the US. The vast majority of Canadian vapers who are on internet vaping forums are here too (including me). There are other forums NA vapers use, but AFAIK those forums do not have nearly the number of members ECF does.

So, using the stats that I remember reading about NA vaping I was making the point that not that many people are into the more advanced aspects of vaping. If I wanted to use worldwide vaping stats I would have to do a lot of research to get those numbers.

Hope this makes some kind of sense

 

[papabogart]

Ever write your name in the snow? Pretty much the same thing.

 

[Bosco]

I personally have never understood why anyone vapes more than they smoked. Whether that's clouds, mg of nicotine, or chain vaping. Unless you smoked cigars I just don't get the massive cloud thing.

Oh well, to each his own, I guess.

I feel like I need a thick, dense cloud of vapor along with a thick, dense flavor although I certainly never gave any of that a single thought when I was smoking. For me, the reason is that vaping is *not* smoking. The nicotine doesn't hit me quite as hard so I need to vape more often than I smoked and I like the dense cloud and flavor both for simple enjoyment and also the psychological re-assurance that the nicotine is on it's way. I'm don't really qualify as a "cloud chaser", though . .on a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being a 2ohm carto on a mech and 10 being a You-Tube Special Twisted 26 guage quad coil . . .I would be around a 6 or 7. Vaping an orange-chocolate juice with twisted 28 gauge 8wrap .9ohms right now and it's absolutely delicious. So dense you almost get the feeling you've actually eaten orange chocolate.

 

[Iffy]

Vaping an orange-chocolate juice... So dense you almost get the feeling you've actually eaten orange chocolate.

DIY?

 

[erikbal]

I don't know what it is, but to me, the more vapor the better. When my devices start putting out less vapor it's time for a cleaning/dry burn and/or a new coil. I just enjoy vaping WAY more than I did smoking and to me a lot of it is the visual affect.

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[tj99959]

I don't need huge thick clouds to have an enjoyable vape, I just want controversy to talk about

 

[stevegmu]

Flavor and throat hit are what matter to me. If there were no visible vapor, I'd be fine with it.

 

[Slobalt7]

Idk, for me, coming from a cig and hookah smoker, I was used to large clouds and smoke tricks. Got a cigalike a few years ago and it worked for a few hours, didn't come back to the vapor community for a couple years and when I did I got an egolike with a CE4, liked it but was still smoking along with it, ended up with several VIVI's, Cartomizers, and Iclear30s. Did some research into mods and RBA's and figured the next step would really help me kick cigs. Now my regular equipment consists of a Sentinel with either a Chobra(usually around a .8 ohm), AGA-T2(.4 ohm twisted DC), or Smok Tech Mini Octopus(.5 ohm) and I have fully gotten off cigs with the flavor and throat hit like no other.

 

[Crazy girl]

Lols I'm still trying to achieve that sweet spot everyone is always referring to, never mind massive clouds of vapor! I do think this is a great site and if I had any advice to newbies it would be to take things slow. I have been given great advice on here, as it can be very overwhelming. Hey has anyone ever started a thread on What would be the one best piece of advice to give a newcomer? Just wondering

 

[Nomoreash]

It's preference, some want to see a pretty presentation of the food they eat, others just eat it. Pepsi or Coke, hot chili or mild. You want fries with that?

To some those massive clouds are necessary for enjoyment, others just want great flavor/TH and could care less about the visual vapor, most are somewhere in between imo.

Fortunately today we have a choice, not so long ago we were slicing up Lipton tea bags putting them in a cart...yes a cart powered by a 510 or similar battery. Try getting those massive clouds with that.