I am curious, does anyone know what the pimer fluid is made of? I know it tastes like crap. I know most clean it off, but if you don't, are you vaping a potentially harmful substance?
What is the primer fluid made of?
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There hasn't been a long term study, but it's believed to be a blend of fermented fish guts,
old motor oil and road kill.
Seriously, there isn't enough in an atty to be harmful without the taste forcing you
to clean your new atty.
And compared to the additives in a single pack of smokes, it's downright healthy.
It might just explain how some newbies lose their taste buds for a week at times...
old motor oil and road kill.
Seriously, there isn't enough in an atty to be harmful without the taste forcing you
to clean your new atty.
And compared to the additives in a single pack of smokes, it's downright healthy.
It might just explain how some newbies lose their taste buds for a week at times...
I've wondered that too. How many of us as newbies, vaped right through it? Does there even need to be some sort of fluid in them? I know that there are some attys that don't have any. Seems like this might be a bit outdated.
I got a mouthful of atty primer on the first puff of my eGo. That was a very memorable experience.
First of all, I never liked the term “Primer Fluid”.
Someone coined that phrase, probably a forum supplier, to make up a good reason why there was some Contaminate on an atomizer wire.
I call it “Mystery Fluid”.
Some have say that it is just PG. Nothing to worry about. It is Not PG. I have tried taking a hit of PG from a Completely clean atty and it didn’t taste anything like the what a atty with Mystery Fluid on it taste. Not even remotely close.
So what is Mystery Fluid?
Machinery Oil? Solder Flux? Seal Lube? Bat Piss? Dunno. Machinery Oil from the manufacturing process is the most likely candidate.
All I know is that EVER Atomizer or Filler-Less Carto should be cleaned and then Dry Burned BEFORE First Use. Period.
And for those people who say you should grit your teeth and just vape thru it, I say that they are either a Sadomasochist or a Complete Dolt.
Someone coined that phrase, probably a forum supplier, to make up a good reason why there was some Contaminate on an atomizer wire.
I call it “Mystery Fluid”.
Some have say that it is just PG. Nothing to worry about. It is Not PG. I have tried taking a hit of PG from a Completely clean atty and it didn’t taste anything like the what a atty with Mystery Fluid on it taste. Not even remotely close.
So what is Mystery Fluid?
Machinery Oil? Solder Flux? Seal Lube? Bat Piss? Dunno. Machinery Oil from the manufacturing process is the most likely candidate.
All I know is that EVER Atomizer or Filler-Less Carto should be cleaned and then Dry Burned BEFORE First Use. Period.
And for those people who say you should grit your teeth and just vape thru it, I say that they are either a Sadomasochist or a Complete Dolt.
Yup. I have zero idea of what it is.
But I do know that bathing a new atty in 91% isopropyl alcohol then letting it dry thoroughly gets rid of that glop.
Standard operating procedure for me.
But I do know that bathing a new atty in 91% isopropyl alcohol then letting it dry thoroughly gets rid of that glop.
Standard operating procedure for me.
I wonder if some of it might be paraffin. I know some machines assembling food-contact items use paraffin as a lubricant because it's an oil but is stable, non-toxic, and cheap.
guys i cant say i have ever really experienced it to be anything more than probably a few drops of PG on the coil... You guys are probably making it more confusing for yourselves than it really is... Its surely just PG or VG on the coil to keep the coil moist.
Lord....by a Cisco or another that doesn't use it or just blow out it when you first get one. So long as you dont vape it. Cr@p by another name smells like cr@p. What it is and why its there on some attys who knows but its not something you want to vape and sooooooooo easy to get rid of.
I don't understand the purpose of "primer." Some vendors ship atties that are absolutely soaked with this crap and there really isn't any reason for it. I'm glad that my vendor ships dry atties so I don't have to put up with this stuff.
In my experience it's never a been good idea to let an attie dry out. So it's easy for me to see why the primer is a necessity.
If I breathe better, then it's good. Beyond that I stopped caring what juices contain as it's pointless anyway.
Lately I have come to appreciate juice vendors who claim to sell juices with "top shelf" nicotine and PG. I can tell the difference. I suppose DIY folks can insure they use top shelf ingredients. If I had more time I would probably be a DIY.
My solution for the primer is to flood my attie on the first fill. That way I don't notice the primer.
HTH,
Dave
If I breathe better, then it's good. Beyond that I stopped caring what juices contain as it's pointless anyway.
Lately I have come to appreciate juice vendors who claim to sell juices with "top shelf" nicotine and PG. I can tell the difference. I suppose DIY folks can insure they use top shelf ingredients. If I had more time I would probably be a DIY.
My solution for the primer is to flood my attie on the first fill. That way I don't notice the primer.
HTH,
Dave
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Found this last night... good stuff about what is in a new atomizer, and how to get rid of it properly.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/133998-how-fix-bad-taste-new-atomizers.html
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What tastes so bad then?
The manufacturing and machining residues are what tastes bad. Here we're talking about machine oil, coatings, traces of adhesives, and coatings on the silica fibers of the wick or wicks: one in the bridge and occasionally one in the atomizer coil. The first liquid put into a new atomizer will taste bad when heated, whether it's primer or normal liquid, as it absorbs the residues - plus, some things can't be removed by the liquid, and will burn off on first use.
So: nothing can be done to remove these residues except burning them off by use. It's true that soaking / rinsing in some sort of benign solvent such as alcohol will reduce these chemical residues, and thus the bad taste when the atomizer is initially fired up - but nothing does the job 100% except just using it.
Also, you might find that soaking an atomizer for the 10 or 15 minutes that will be needed to remove most of the contaminants may reduce its life. Some solvents are effective - but the more effective they are, the more they will attack the structure of the atomizer. Cola is used sometimes, for example, but the phosphoric acid in it that actually does the work is one of the few things that will break down the silica fibers of the wick/s. Using solvents, unless very briefly, reduces atomizer life.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/133998-how-fix-bad-taste-new-atomizers.html
To quote:
What tastes so bad then?
The manufacturing and machining residues are what tastes bad. Here we're talking about machine oil, coatings, traces of adhesives, and coatings on the silica fibers of the wick or wicks: one in the bridge and occasionally one in the atomizer coil. The first liquid put into a new atomizer will taste bad when heated, whether it's primer or normal liquid, as it absorbs the residues - plus, some things can't be removed by the liquid, and will burn off on first use.
So: nothing can be done to remove these residues except burning them off by use. It's true that soaking / rinsing in some sort of benign solvent such as alcohol will reduce these chemical residues, and thus the bad taste when the atomizer is initially fired up - but nothing does the job 100% except just using it.
Also, you might find that soaking an atomizer for the 10 or 15 minutes that will be needed to remove most of the contaminants may reduce its life. Some solvents are effective - but the more effective they are, the more they will attack the structure of the atomizer. Cola is used sometimes, for example, but the phosphoric acid in it that actually does the work is one of the few things that will break down the silica fibers of the wick/s. Using solvents, unless very briefly, reduces atomizer life.
PGA is suggested by many veteran user and I agree. Whether its everclear or vodka or even Iso it wont hurt your atty (then rinse and dry) and dry burning should only be done to remove old crusted on coils and then your taking a chance of killing your atty. A wetness is an atty best friend for a long life. So blow or clean out new attys that come with primer then wet it with juice before your first drag.
There is a Very easy test for what "Surely" is PG or VG. Just take a Clean atty and drip a drop or two of PG or VG in it and take a hit.
I think you will find that it taste Nothing like what "Mystery Fluid" tastes like.
It's not you. You don't understand it because there Isn't a good reason to have "Primer Fluid" on an Atty or Filler-Less Carto.
Face it, OEMs and Vendors cannot come out and say that the crap on an Atty is Machinery Oil from a poor manufacturing process. So somewhere someone started the belief that it was "Primer Fluid".
A catchy name but unfortunately it is not true. But it did serve the purpose to fool the ignorant.
Why is it a Bad idea to let an Atty dry out? What is the Only down side?
The user is going to get a weak hit or two before the wick is fully saturated.
Thanks for posting that link.
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The long and the short of it is that I don't choose to vape "Mystery Fluid".
If others think it is safe and don't mind the taste, more power to you. But use some, I shudder to say this, Common Sense.
PG doesn't taste Bad to vape. VG tastes kinda good to vape. Mystery Fluid taste like Used Motor Oil from Jiffy Lube.
Could something be going on here?
Before I knew better, I thought I'd just vape it out. Big mistake. For the next 4 days, I had a sharp pain in my right lung area.
Same here Sedateme... I had no idea about primer back then.
I thought I'd burned my throat and lungs out for good! It was enough to turn me off attys and switch to cartos real fast!
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