The OP didn't say no-one should mention or talk about the Provari. What he was pointing out is that there are some people who make a point of telling others their pvs are crap. I've seen a bunch of posts in this thread where people are telling us why their Provari is so good. Yet no-one here on this thread is saying its not a good pv. But the constant put downs of other pvs in the new members forum especially are what the OP referred to. We don't see Zenesis owners doing that, for example. This issue keeps coming up because of certain Provari owners - that's where it mostly comes from. There's a bit of it from other pv owners, and them doing it isn't right either. But for a while now it has been certain Provari owners mainly doing this.
Another thing is that any time a new pv that is a good pv comes out, and naturally people want to talk about, they are put down for doing so. Which doesn't make sense to me. Of course people will talk about new products. I sometimes think that certain Provari owners simply can't bear the thought of people talking about a liking new pvs or new developments. I said "certain" Provari owners - its not all of them. I've had really great discussions with people who do own Provaris and are able to talk about new devices without putting them down. In fact in some cases they prefer the new device. In others they think the Provari is better. But what is getting out of hand are people who do troll threads, and I'm using the word troll deliberately here, and tell people their pvs are crap and get a Provari.
Some-one may have had a lavatube that let them down. A lavatube does not equal every other available pv. There are some very good pvs available. I've also noticed that even when a general, non-specific point is made - like me saying there are some very good pvs available - some people will either trash every other pv out there "they're all crap", or will start being derogatory about specific pvs - even though none were specifically named.
I remember being still newish on the forum, I'd been vaping about 3 months, and I had a good chat with some-one who mentioned she owned a Provari. I asked her if it was heavy and she said it was. She was very nice to talk to about vaping and we'd both been vaping for about the same length of time. Later on the forum a Provari discussion was taking place on a thread. I mentioned that I had heard the Provari was a bit heavy. I didn't know much about it then - and good grief. You'd think I'd try to denounce it or something. I came away from that discussion wondering why some people were so over-reactive about a newish vaper commenting they heard a pv was heavy. If anything the response I got made me think maybe its not such a good pv if some-one can't just answer a simple question like that.
I can afford a Provari. There seems to be an assumption sometimes that people don't have one because they can't afford one. While that will be true for some who would like to buy one, it isn't true for everyone. Not everyone wants one. But I've seen that if some-one explains why they decided not to go with one they get called a "hater". That seems ridiculous to me. I don't see that happening when people explain why they decided not to purchase other pvs. But for some reason if they say why they decided not to get a Provari they are told they are hating on it.
I don't believe the OP was trolling at all. Any attempt to discuss this seems to be met with calling the person a troll or a hater, when all they are saying is can we look at the communication here and respect that people use a variety of pvs. Ok, the word "cultish" is a bit provocative, and I can see why folk would respond against that. But I'm seeing quite a few posts here ignoring the point the OP made. What I'm also hearing from the original post is a level of frustration at not being able to have discussions about pvs without people calling all other pvs crap.
The best comments I've seen from Provari owners in this forum are the ones where they have said both what they really appreciate about their device, and also what they think could be improved, or what they use other devices for that have other functions. I appreciated their even-handedness. I also appreciate those who really like their Provaris, but can acknowledge that not everyone will want one, and in doing that don't assume that its because people can't afford them, and they don't tell them that they don't know quality and are settling for crap - the two common and over-used responses. They understand that for some there are other pvs with functions the person wants, and that's fine. I have friends on this forum who own Provaris and we enjoy honest discussions about a range of pvs. I appreciate being able to do that.
These tube mods we use are all just pieces of metal with electronics stuck in them. If we have one, whatever it is, that is keeping us off cigarettes and we're happy with it, then that's the thing. Let's not call other folks pvs crap if they don't have the one we like. One of the things many people like about ECF is the friendliness and support. That has also helped people stay off the cigs. It's a great forum - lets celebrate that and the variety of ways in which we're vaping.
Thanks for listening.
Another thing is that any time a new pv that is a good pv comes out, and naturally people want to talk about, they are put down for doing so. Which doesn't make sense to me. Of course people will talk about new products. I sometimes think that certain Provari owners simply can't bear the thought of people talking about a liking new pvs or new developments. I said "certain" Provari owners - its not all of them. I've had really great discussions with people who do own Provaris and are able to talk about new devices without putting them down. In fact in some cases they prefer the new device. In others they think the Provari is better. But what is getting out of hand are people who do troll threads, and I'm using the word troll deliberately here, and tell people their pvs are crap and get a Provari.
Some-one may have had a lavatube that let them down. A lavatube does not equal every other available pv. There are some very good pvs available. I've also noticed that even when a general, non-specific point is made - like me saying there are some very good pvs available - some people will either trash every other pv out there "they're all crap", or will start being derogatory about specific pvs - even though none were specifically named.
I remember being still newish on the forum, I'd been vaping about 3 months, and I had a good chat with some-one who mentioned she owned a Provari. I asked her if it was heavy and she said it was. She was very nice to talk to about vaping and we'd both been vaping for about the same length of time. Later on the forum a Provari discussion was taking place on a thread. I mentioned that I had heard the Provari was a bit heavy. I didn't know much about it then - and good grief. You'd think I'd try to denounce it or something. I came away from that discussion wondering why some people were so over-reactive about a newish vaper commenting they heard a pv was heavy. If anything the response I got made me think maybe its not such a good pv if some-one can't just answer a simple question like that.
I can afford a Provari. There seems to be an assumption sometimes that people don't have one because they can't afford one. While that will be true for some who would like to buy one, it isn't true for everyone. Not everyone wants one. But I've seen that if some-one explains why they decided not to go with one they get called a "hater". That seems ridiculous to me. I don't see that happening when people explain why they decided not to purchase other pvs. But for some reason if they say why they decided not to get a Provari they are told they are hating on it.
I don't believe the OP was trolling at all. Any attempt to discuss this seems to be met with calling the person a troll or a hater, when all they are saying is can we look at the communication here and respect that people use a variety of pvs. Ok, the word "cultish" is a bit provocative, and I can see why folk would respond against that. But I'm seeing quite a few posts here ignoring the point the OP made. What I'm also hearing from the original post is a level of frustration at not being able to have discussions about pvs without people calling all other pvs crap.
The best comments I've seen from Provari owners in this forum are the ones where they have said both what they really appreciate about their device, and also what they think could be improved, or what they use other devices for that have other functions. I appreciated their even-handedness. I also appreciate those who really like their Provaris, but can acknowledge that not everyone will want one, and in doing that don't assume that its because people can't afford them, and they don't tell them that they don't know quality and are settling for crap - the two common and over-used responses. They understand that for some there are other pvs with functions the person wants, and that's fine. I have friends on this forum who own Provaris and we enjoy honest discussions about a range of pvs. I appreciate being able to do that.
These tube mods we use are all just pieces of metal with electronics stuck in them. If we have one, whatever it is, that is keeping us off cigarettes and we're happy with it, then that's the thing. Let's not call other folks pvs crap if they don't have the one we like. One of the things many people like about ECF is the friendliness and support. That has also helped people stay off the cigs. It's a great forum - lets celebrate that and the variety of ways in which we're vaping.
Thanks for listening.
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