What should the government really be taxing?!?

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Italian government taxed vaping stuff without all that morale high ground BS that usually comes with it as justification. Drop in tobacco tax revenues got them hurting and they said so frankly and slammed a nearly 60% tax on vaping gear ( VAT comes on top of that ).

And the puritans view is all too well known. The more fun it is, the higher the taxation.
Following that logic, puritans and zealots should be taxed for their grumpiness. Their only fun seems to be not having fun, so let's introduce a sour-face-tax, a foul-mood-tax, add a self-righteous-shmuck surcharge, multiply with the unrelaxed-attitude-adjustment factor and then top off with state and municipal sales tax to boot.

Stranger stuff got taxed - check history books. 'Non olet' :D

But the original intent of using taxation to control or discourage some things or some activities gave way to the sole purpose of revenue generation long ago. Money, money and more money. Cuz with plenty of income it is easier to hide inept expenditure management. And it is also easier to hide the occasional grab. Where does paid consultancy end and graft begin ? When does a 'contribution for the cause' turn into vote-buying ?

Just imagine if ALL smokers went on strike for just a week or quit altogether. It would be worth it. The reward:
The greatest ever display of bigotry and hypocrisy. All of them standing in line and applauding and glad-handing each other of their resounding success. Officially. Behind their smiling and rechoicing they'll be cursing you and your offspring, for they know that they'd be dancing at their own funeral.
Would be akin to the dinosaurs cheering the incoming meteor....

If they could, they'd come crawling on their knees and beg you to smoke again, so as to keep their livelihood intact but that of course would expose their true nature. To you - and worse - to themselves.

But that's not gonna happen. It'll stay convenient for them. "De-normalizing" you and your habits. Scoffing at you.
But though the may not like you and your addictions or lifestyle, their bible-thumping does not put them above taking your money in form of taxes. Everything swell. So far.

Then vaping happened.

Rattling the very foundation of structures and networks that have established and entrenched themselves over decades.

Of course they gonna tax it. Fed, state, municipal. And BT and BP will whisper to them.
Bt doesn't want the stuff around. BP neither. Healthier folk needs less medication, less hospitalization.
Naw naw, better to keep them hooked on the more toxic stuff...

If they really serious about public health ( nice banner to hide all sorts of atrocities behind ) and the cheeeldrun ( another handy all-purpose justfication for more injustice ) they go very easy on taxing vapes - if at all.
Any taxation putting it on par or even above tobacco products ( and I mean stuff with real tobacco in it- not that what FDA deems it to be by rewriting the laws of chemistry ) demonstrates only one thing. Profits before population. Gain over gencide....

What I could live with : a research penny.

Mandatory surcharge of a cent per ml. To finance a lab that does - UNBIASED - research into vaping. So we can be done with the 'we not know yet so lets ban it' excuses. Remember - the Manhattan Project went ahead despite some scientists saying a very clear 'we don't know yet'. But the stuff they played around with was a LOT livelier than 10% nicbase ...
 

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Italian government taxed vaping stuff without all that morale high ground BS that usually comes with it as justification. Drop in tobacco tax revenues got them hurting and they said so frankly and slammed a nearly 60% tax on vaping gear ( VAT comes on top of that ).

And the puritans view is all too well known. The more fun it is, the higher the taxation.
Following that logic, puritans and zealots should be taxed for their grumpiness. Their only fun seems to be not having fun, so let's introduce a sour-face-tax, a foul-mood-tax, add a self-righteous-shmuck surcharge, multiply with the unrelaxed-attitude-adjustment factor and then top off with state and municipal sales tax to boot.

Stranger stuff got taxed - check history books. 'Non olet' :D

But the original intent of using taxation to control or discourage some things or some activities gave way to the sole purpose of revenue generation long ago. Money, money and more money. Cuz with plenty of income it is easier to hide inept expenditure management. And it is also easier to hide the occasional grab. Where does paid consultancy end and graft begin ? When does a 'contribution for the cause' turn into vote-buying ?

Just imagine if ALL smokers went on strike for just a week or quit altogether. It would be worth it. The reward:
The greatest ever display of bigotry and hypocrisy. All of them standing in line and applauding and glad-handing each other of their resounding success. Officially. Behind their smiling and rechoicing they'll be cursing you and your offspring, for they know that they'd be dancing at their own funeral.
Would be akin to the dinosaurs cheering the incoming meteor....

If they could, they'd come crawling on their knees and beg you to smoke again, so as to keep their livelihood intact but that of course would expose their true nature. To you - and worse - to themselves.

But that's not gonna happen. It'll stay convenient for them. "De-normalizing" you and your habits. Scoffing at you.
But though the may not like you and your addictions or lifestyle, their bible-thumping does not put them above taking your money in form of taxes. Everything swell. So far.

Then vaping happened.

Rattling the very foundation of structures and networks that have established and entrenched themselves over decades.

Of course they gonna tax it. Fed, state, municipal. And BT and BP will whisper to them.
Bt doesn't want the stuff around. BP neither. Healthier folk needs less medication, less hospitalization.
Naw naw, better to keep them hooked on the more toxic stuff...

If they really serious about public health ( nice banner to hide all sorts of atrocities behind ) and the cheeeldrun ( another handy all-purpose justfication for more injustice ) they go very easy on taxing vapes - if at all.
Any taxation putting it on par or even above tobacco products ( and I mean stuff with real tobacco in it- not that what FDA deems it to be by rewriting the laws of chemistry ) demonstrates only one thing. Profits before population. Gain over gencide....

What I could live with : a research penny.

Mandatory surcharge of a cent per ml. To finance a lab that does - UNBIASED - research into vaping. So we can be done with the 'we not know yet so lets ban it' excuses. Remember - the Manhattan Project went ahead despite some scientists saying a very clear 'we don't know yet'. But the stuff they played around with was a LOT livelier than 10% nicbase ...
This is a BRILLIANT response. You have me Googling all over the place. "Non olet." HAHAHAHAHAH.

And you're absolutely right. The government does not care about public health, in my opinion. If everyone quit smoking, smoking-related diseases would eventually disappear, and not only would Big Tobacco suffer, but Big Pharma would take quite a hit.

I may sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist here, but imagine if a cure for cancer or diabetes actually materialized? So many oncologists and endocrinologists...not to mention med companies would essentially dematerialize.

Perish the thought.
 

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What I could live with : a research penny.

Mandatory surcharge of a cent per ml. To finance a lab that does - UNBIASED - research into vaping.

Interesting point. But who is going to run this "unbiased" research lab? The FDA? The CDC? Just asking.
 
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Interesting point. But who is going to run this "unbiased" research lab? The FDA? The CDC? Just asking.

That's the very last parties I'd trust with unbiased research.

Farsalinos, Mayer, to name just two for starters.

And most of all, publishing within context:
Like bouncing off all values against the air on a busy intersection, the air in a busy office floor, air in some remote neck of the woods and - of course - cigarette smoke. Then everybody can decide for themselves. Cuz it's not quantum mechanics. So it is possible to publish it in a way that non Nobel prize laureates can make heads and tail of it too.

Control the money. Next step is to control the knowledge or the access to it.

Don't let that happen.
 
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What about a tax on pain killers? They are abused left and right. They also kill you if they are abused. Vaping does not. Nor does nicotine alone. thoughts?
Why does any population have to be singled out to be taxed? Not that you need to know this, but I am a chronic pain patient. I take pain medication every month. I don't abuse it. I already have to physically go to my doctor, and pay the copay, once a month. Then take that paper prescription to the pharmacist and wait for them to fill it, since I can only get it filled the day I run out. I have to plan my life around my medication schedules, all to avoid surgery that has a 50% chance of making my life better, and a 50% chance of forcing me to walk with a cane at age 35. So how about we don't add a tax to my medication, okay?

Would you suggest adding a tax on insulin?
 
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