What starter kit would be best?

[mafig]

i am not a geek,was a noob in vaping until i found ECF because i am old dog(60 yrs old)..after 10 months residing here,i learn from veterans and members..i do try and own a few models of 510-T eGo-T to VV eGo from 280 mAh to 1100 mAh,mistakes made on the way to find my choice of gadgets,mostly cartomizers like the G4,giantomizer,micromizer(usual problematic with plastic casing cartomizers,leaks and also poor hits and vapor),cartridge/atomizer system unless U have the patient to learn the proper way to install and refill the cartridge to the atomizer can be burden to getting leaks and poor vapor & throat hits(because U have not follow the instructions properly through)..i like the cartridge/atomizer setup..it is the nearest to dripping..pure flavors and throat hits with cloud of vapor

having own only commercial models..my conclusion is the variable voltages model is a must for newbies and noobs(if U do not understand the ohms in atomizers/cartomizers..this VV is the best batteries U can own..and U have a choices in VVeGo,lavatube & mods)..combining with the cartomizers,the easiest & least problematic way to fill & refills,just dont overfilled..if U do blow out until U see a light at the end of the tunnel in yr cartomizer,the centre hole(with variable voltages batteries U can get to vape from 1.5 ohms to under 3 ohms on the VV eGo and lavatube any cartomizers LR,SR & HR(low,standard & high)..and takes the guess work which cartomizer is compatible..the batteries mAh starts from 650 to over 2k mAh..each 100 mAh is suppose to be 1 hr of vaping pleasure(that is debatable..i find my 650 mAH last me 3-4 hrs from fully charged if i only use just the one to vape on) as i likely to vape non-stop when in use..i currently use 4 setups LCD & VV eGo on different nicotine strength & flavors..i hope U get to find yrs OP..happy vaping every1..regards mafig ps i bought my VV eGo from Healthcabin Promotion Sale-- i am please with their prompt & fast service with their tracking no for delivery

 

[ambition]

That's a very good suggestion. I'll certainly be putting that on the shortlist. Cheers.

 

[classwife]

Here is the Leo sub-forum for Leo info:
The Leo

 

[ambition]

Oh cheers for pointing the way to the subforum. So now I'm going between echo, Leo, and riva and the wonderfully named pigcig.
Now to research some stuff, and stuff.

 

[Andante51]

I think an important factor in this bigger e-cig, slim-analogue-looking ecig business relates to the male/female issue; for example the person who said they wouldn't be caught outside the house with their Ego, I would almost bet was a woman. I started vaping two months ago with an Ego-T, which met my needs as a long time heavy smoker. But even though I don't 'go out' much, because of the woman thing I immediately bought a 510-T LR with 340mah XL auto no-button batteries for times I did not want to be seen with an Ego-T. Now I very much enjoy the variety of switching back and forth, and always have both with me.

Most women simply have to take the 'does it look feminine or glamourous' factor into account that most guys don't have to worry about. With all the myriad e-cig configurations coming out, I would like to see one that was designed for women that delivered good hits and vapor, and better battery life than small slims like the 510... probably wishful thinking. Even my 510 with the XL battery and XL tank is quite short. My dream e-cig is a long slim one, ala the 1950's cigarette holders - an example here of an Audrey Hepburn photo:
http://www.popartuk.com/people/audrey-hepburn/smokin-hot-ppr45237-print.asp
It wouldn't have to be THAT ridiculously long, but something around 10 inches would be cool. I think the first company that makes a very long slim e-cig or battery with decent longevity will have a gold mine. My 340mah XL battery is only about 3 1/2 inches long - can't we just double that length, maybe go just a little less slim, and get up to around 600mah with 3.7 volt power? Recently I saw a post from a guy who seemed to have no clue why his vaping-noob girlfriend wasn't taking to this big mod setup he gave her, and I just had to laugh.

 

[ambition]

How much would you like to bet?

those XL batts are pretty feminine aren't they? Which is the reason I don't have one.

I love the idea of the double Audrey Hepburn style ecig. That woman was class all the way.

I don't wanna use a fatbatt outside my home simply because I'm a sorta young-ish that finds himself around an even younger crowd mostly, and where I'm from, fatbatt cigs would be seen as kinda old, like old dude in a seedy cardroom old, and I'm just not ready to take on that persona yet.

 

[wv2win]

Oh bless your heart for bringing up yet another thing to confuse the living feck out of these poor newbies.

Didn't I say that a larger batt model would be a perfect fit for the OP? Ummmm...YES! My issue on that point was people suggesting tanks. Everyone with a tank knows that they are often not the best choice for a total newb.

Now to respond to your suggestion that smaller batteries don't offer good performance. You're still tying performance of an ecig to the voltage and mAh rating and not the entire experience.

FYI - 808's deliver higher voltage under load for almost all its usage time than an eGo thanks to the regulation built into the eGo itself but that's another story. These kinds of technical things interest me greatly and there are a couple of massive threads on that topic here, I can dig them up if you like.

God knows I've spent more money than most in the last year trying to figure out what I liked, and much of that was thanks to people like yourself that are as biased as feck against anything that looks like a ciggie...even if that's the perfect product for what a person wants, you'll still try to talk them into a larger pv because you don't like them.

Maybe you're trying to save people money in the long run, and that's great, and even though many upgrade to something with more battery life after a few months on a small ecig, don't presume that they'll use that larger model exclusively and never pick up the little ecig again.

Maybe I'm a little vain, but I wouldn't be caught outside my home with an eGo, though in the privacy of my home I'd happily hit on it.

Smaller ecig's have a place in almost everyone's kit, and 808's can deliver surprisingly good performance (as you would define it). They are excellent at simulating the act of smoking in a visual and tactile sense which eases the transition from analogs, and they give the user a solid introduction to vaping...experience which the user can draw on to more successfully select a larger PV that will fit their vaping needs because they will be more aware of what those needs actually are.

I know this might be hard for you to wrap your head around, but if I'd bought my eGo first, I probably wouldn't be vaping now.

So there's no question that a larger batt model will suit the OP, but posts like yours earlier simply steers the many people that aren't posting questions away from small cig models that would otherwise be perfect for them and have them waste money on something that for their needs is sub-par. That's what happened to me.

And before you tell me that I'm yet another big exception the the rule, I'm seeing a lot of exceptions to this rule, because mate...there is no freakin rule. Just people, each with their own unique needs and wants.

I've vaped 15 different models including mini's. If I was hell bent on just recommending what I prefer, then I would be only recommending one of the few top of the line variable watt or volt models. I know from my own PV experience, by reading thousands of posts on this and other vaping sites and by talking to people in my own backyard, that better performing models with better batteries are statistically more likely to keep long time heavy smokers from going back to smoking. When you have been around here more than a week and have more overall experience maybe you will start to see this from all the new people wanting something better than what the mini's offer. On a forum where you can't sit across the table and get to know someone, it's makes more sense to tailor ones advice to fit the majority.

Note: I have recommended the Volt to light smokers as a viable alternative. And I would agree with you that you are concerned with what people think of you if you are afraid to be seen with anything but a model that makes it looks like you still smoke. Although why anyone thinks they look better by pretending to smoke is beyond me.

 

[wv2win]

You missed my point entirely, Ambition. Read it again. I was commenting on this:


You're out for blood so much right now, you didn't see we were on the same side and I was trying not to be too pointed with my comments. Not all bigger batteries out perform minis.

No use getting angry, man. Just do what the rest of us do and speak up when someone wants to state their style is the only style there should be. I've never stated that the majority of folks who use mods are so crazy about justifying it that they seem to want to force people to believe they are the majority and that it's the only way to be satisfied. I'm not saying it now.
You are getting too worked up over it, though. None of this is helping the OP.

I have recommended the Volt and Bloog to those who state they are light smokers. I also understand that some people can't make the step to better models immediately. But when someone states they are a pack a day+ smoker, I think there is a chance we are setting them up to fail if we don't suggest models with better batteries. I personally know 12 people who tried vaping with a mini model and went back to smoking because they found them to be too weak and too much of a hassle with the constant battery changes. By the time I got to know them, they had already decided from their experience that vaping was a "scam". They were not interested in going the extra mile that we did by coming here and taking the time to learn the ins and outs of vaping. If they ever make a mini battery model with at least a "regulated" 5 hour battery, I will be recommending it. You will never see me disagreeing with someone who recommends a mini model to a light smoker.

 

[ambition]

I've vaped 15 different models including mini's. If I was hell bent on just recommending what I prefer, then I would be only recommending one of the few top of the line variable watt or volt models. I know from my own PV experience, by reading thousands of posts on this and other vaping sites and by talking to people in my own backyard, that better performing models with better batteries are statistically more likely to keep long time heavy smokers from going back to smoking. When you have been around here more than a week and have more overall experience maybe you will understand that. Your experience fits with the minority not the majority. On a forum where you can't sit across the table and get to know someone, it's smart to tailor ones advice to fit the majority.

Note: I have recommended the Volt to light smokers as a viable alternative. And yes you are too concerned with what people think of you if you are afraid to be seen with anything but a model that makes it looks like you still smoke. Although why anyone thinks they look better by pretending to smoke is beyond me.

Fair enough. It's clear that we have completely different views on how the decision making process takes place inside the mind of the prospective vaper and we obviously have a different take on what aspects of vaping are more important to the beginner. Of course this would be based on experience, and as you seem to take a more statistical approach and I generally take a "What do I believe would feel best for the person asking" approach, the odds are that we'll often disagree.

Gotta say I've been around more than a week, closer to a year actually, I just never signed up for the reasons that if ever I had a question, a google search would bring up an existing post from this forum with many points for me to go away and consider, and secondly because I wanted to avoid this kind of crap, at least until such a time as my knowledge could match the big boys. FYI, I just gave a box mod and a provari to a mate for donut after having them collect dust for months because I really wasn't that wowed, I've had an eGo, and I designed a mod from scratch for another mate so I'm no stranger to the hardware. I'm an extremely technically oriented guy, so even though I do have more to say about your assessment of the 808 battery vs eGo, I will decline to offer those views until we meet again in a thread where the discussion is relevant.

Sure. I'm concerned about what people think, as are most others, however it's quite clear that I'm not smoking as the strictly black batteries with blue LED's cause a bit of a stir in a place where ecigs are still quite uncommon and mostly unknown.

An eGo in my hand has been mistaken for a duck call, exactly what I thought it looked like when I first saw a picture of one. For various reasons which I won't go into, I need (not a choice) to pay attention to my appearance and how I'm perceived, and sure some of this need has transferred and manifested itself into a little bit of vanity in areas where it's not so important, but that doesn't mean that looking like I still smoke is acceptable to me (hence the black batts), or that I'm anything less than satisfied with my 808's as far as how they slot into my life, all things considered.

I have shortlist for my "home device" already sorted, and once that purchase is made, naturally my vaping experience will be greatly improved, but not by the "complete upgrade of hardware" as some might see it, but more because of the way I will be able to use this hardware in conjunction with my mini's to enhance my whole vaping experience, and by extension, my whole life as smoking/vaping has been such an integral part of it for so long.

So yeah, as I'm sure you'll keep doing what you do with stats and batts and fitting people into the majority and giving them the solution, I'll keep listening to the individual and remind them that their hardware has to fit into more aspects of their life than just the part that's hooked on nicotine, and that this may require a combination of hardware, which may include the type that is most likely to be able to fit into a pocket as well.

Didn't mean for this to become a novel, but oh well, it's likely my last contribution to this topic

 

[Charlz]

I have recommended the Volt and Bloog to those who state they are light smokers. I also understand that some people can't make the step to better models immediately. But when someone states they are a pack a day+ smoker, I think there is a chance we are setting them up to fail if we don't suggest models with better batteries. I personally know 12 people who tried vaping with a mini model and went back to smoking because they found them to be too weak and too much of a hassle with the constant battery changes. By the time I got to know them, they had already decided from their experience that vaping was a "scam". They were not interested in going the extra mile that we did by coming here and taking the time to learn the ins and outs of vaping. If they ever make a mini battery model with at least a "regulated" 5 hour battery, I will be recommending it. You will never see me disagreeing with someone who recommends a mini model to a light smoker.

A 3.7v device is a good device, after that it's up to the user how long they want it to last before they charge it. It's been agreed by all the OP does need something more than a slim style in this case. That's no longer the issue.

I personally know 12 people who tried a 650 plus model and went back down to a slim. I see at least half a dozen come out to tell you you are wrong about slims every post I'm on that you also post on. And a lot of them admit to having tried a larger battery. We all wear our rose colored glasses to see a majority of whatever we want and even in forums gravitate to those who share our interests. Most who feel scammed got scammed by convenience store and google marketed PVs. And I see you use that crappy ecig to come out and lump all slims together. It's the equivelent of my jumping on the mod boards every time someone has an issue and telling them they all are unreliable and need to get a smaller one because they are less to troubleshoot and are more reliable.
This is not the real world. This is the world of PV hobbyists. This is a world dominated by more people who have had some experience and are curious about more. A few wander in and talk about quitting and this is what it turns into. In this world I'm vaping a mini for a moment (no pun intended) and enjoying it. In the real world I'm out with my 650mah bumping into 2 or three slim style pv vapers who are happy and I'm happy to let them know there are alternatives in case they aren't happy some day. But I'm not ready with a standard speach about why my PV is better. It's insulting. Get it? It's insulting. A hundred people can get on board to tell you their 808 works great and you can still have your opinion but see above^

Since you started here a couple years ago, slim cigs have changed to come off the charger at 4.2v and have also changed recently to become regulated for their entire life and can perform well for nearly 3 hours instead of the hour and a half they had a couple of years ago. Some folks would rather carry two small batteries that will last them 6hrs over one big one. And that seems to be fine now for most of my friend and myself who were PAD smokers or less. Soon it may be five hours. But they won't be variable voltage.....they won't be 7volts.....you'll always be able to have something, rest easy. God knows we will be having this same discussion a few years from now, which is something we are both fighting for.....right?

I'm out too, till we meet again, so that the OP can get some help.

 

[Andante51]

Sorry, forgot to hit Reply with Quote... so I will add manually:
" Originally posted by ambition...

How much would you like to bet?

those XL batts are pretty feminine aren't they? Which is the reason I don't have one.

I love the idea of the double Audrey Hepburn style ecig. That woman was class all the way.

I don't wanna use a fatbatt outside my home simply because I'm a sorta young-ish that finds himself around an even younger crowd mostly, and where I'm from, fatbatt cigs would be seen as kinda old, like old dude in a seedy cardroom old, and I'm just not ready to take on that persona yet.

My reply:

Thanks for setting me straight ambition I hadn't thought of the young/old thing, even for guys, and as you said maybe that's more of a consideration in your area than here in the US, where it seems that cigar smoking and cigar bars are becoming ever more popular, especially among young people, so it is losing its old fart image. Glad you liked my idea of a long Hepburn style e-cig!

 

[CB-Drip]

Ego. All the way. The battery life compared to a standard (analog looking) is worth the funny looks.

 

[Traver]

A 3.7v device is a good device, after that it's up to the user how long they want it to last before they charge it. It's been agreed by all the OP does need something more than a slim style in this case. That's no longer the issue.

Most of the time you guys are talking to yourselves and don't even bother to read what the OP wants. When is the last time we heard from the OP on this thread?

 

[bmc333]

My first kit was from V2 cigs - still use them once in a while but mostly using my mods these days.