What the {edited} is wrong with this industry?

[Lessifer]

So, here are some of the questions currently bubbling up in the CASAA fb group:

Anyone able to say for sure if shops are going to be allowd to build rda's after august 8th? I cant seem to find a definite answer on this one.

Do any brick and mortar shop owners have any advice on charging for samples? I've already decided to pull everything, put it behind counter and charge a flat fee for samples starting Aug 8. What is everyone else doing?
I'm afraid I may not be prepared for the headache this may present.

Question: can you bottle flavoring and sell it separate? My understanding is that flavoring is not regulated. Thanks!

I am a newly deemed 'tobacco manufacturer'. I was told today that my e liquid labels would require sku's in order to remain compliant with regulatory standards.
Can anyone offer me additional information on this or validate it?


At least they're asking the questions somewhere...

 

[SteveS45]

@Lessifer I was reading that FB post and I had a suggestion but could not post because membership is pending to the CASAA Group. I recently received a free sample in a 3ML bottle containing 2 MLs. A tiny glass dropper in Zero MG was what I got and added my own nicotine. That is a possible solution to sampling. Small charge to take it home and taste test it.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

@Lessifer I was reading that FB post and I had a suggestion but could not post because membership is pending to the CASAA Group. I recently received a free sample in a 3ML bottle containing 2 MLs. A tiny glass dropper in Zero MG was what I got and added my own nicotine. That is a possible solution to sampling. Small charge to take it home and taste test it.

NO, that has been deemed a tobacco product.

 

[Lessifer]

@Lessifer I was reading that FB post and I had a suggestion but could not post because membership is pending to the CASAA Group. I recently received a free sample in a 3ML bottle containing 2 MLs. A tiny glass dropper in Zero MG was what I got and added my own nicotine. That is a possible solution to sampling. Small charge to take it home and taste test it.

I haven't kept up much on the current thoughts on sampling to be honest. If you sell it though, as a product, it needs to be a product that can be registered and was available prior to 8/8, and I believe if it comes in a container, that contained would have to be CRP.

 

[SteveS45]

NO, that has been deemed a tobacco product.

I did not say it was not deemed a Tobacco Product my suggestion was to sell 1 to 2 ML bottles for sampling. That satisfies the SKU and taxation issues.

 

[ENAUD]

So, here are some of the questions currently bubbling up in the CASAA fb group:

Anyone able to say for sure if shops are going to be allowd to build rda's after august 8th? I cant seem to find a definite answer on this one.

Do any brick and mortar shop owners have any advice on charging for samples? I've already decided to pull everything, put it behind counter and charge a flat fee for samples starting Aug 8. What is everyone else doing?
I'm afraid I may not be prepared for the headache this may present.

Question: can you bottle flavoring and sell it separate? My understanding is that flavoring is not regulated. Thanks!

I am a newly deemed 'tobacco manufacturer'. I was told today that my e liquid labels would require sku's in order to remain compliant with regulatory standards.
Can anyone offer me additional information on this or validate it?


At least they're asking the questions somewhere...

The FDA looks at our current industry like this:

Some of those questions kind of confirm it...

 

[Lessifer]

The FDA looks at our current industry like this:

Some of those questions kind of confirm it...

Actually I believe it's more like this, in more ways than one:

 

[ENAUD]

Actually I believe it's more like this, in more ways than one:

I'll agree with that as to how things are if one looks at it objectively. But when angels and demons are being discussed...

 

[Lessifer]

I'll agree with that as to how things are if one looks at it objectively. But when angels and demons are being discussed...

The Inexplicable War on Lemonade Stands

 

[OlderNDirt]

Anyone able to say for sure if shops are going to be allowd to build rda's after august 8th? I cant seem to find a definite answer on this one.

Yes, I realize this is just an example of questions being asked and responses are not necessary. But I immediately thought of my favorite local shop telling me several weeks ago that "come 8/8, I'm on my own building." And then it dawned on me.......

Are shops going to make changes, some of them drastic, in an attempt to comply with rules they don't understand and the FDA is unable or unwilling to define?

 

[ENAUD]

The Inexplicable War on Lemonade Stands

That's just sad and mean spirited...

 

[bnrkwest]

My hubby and I were just discussing this that vape has basically been a a booming cottage industry in US, he then said easiest industry to squash is a cottage industry because they lack organization as a whole. I think he's right.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

It's because 95% of B&Ms are run by imbeciles. Most of the ones I've walked into don't know the first thing about the products they sell. They're in the business to earn a quick buck, not because they are experienced vapers who are dedicated to their customer base. They heard that ecig sales are skyrocketing, they had some money to invest, so they jumped into the sales market. To them it's just retail sales, no different from selling groceries or clothing.

I've been in several B&Ms recently and asked how they were going to adapt to the new regulations. After spending the next 10 minutes explaining to them what the new regulations actually are and bringing up info on my cellphone for them to read, their response is usually...

THIS.

 

[Lessifer]

Yes, I realize this is just an example of questions being asked and responses are not necessary. But I immediately thought of my favorite local shop telling me several weeks ago that "come 8/8, I'm on my own building." And then it dawned on me.......

Are shops going to make changes, some of them drastic, in an attempt to comply with rules they don't understand and the FDA is unable or unwilling to define?

I'm 99.99% sure the answer to the coil building question is, no, the shop cannot build you a coil.

As for shops making changes that they possibly don't have to because they don't fully understand how to comply? I think that's likely, and it's why they should be in touch with the people most likely to have the real answers they need. You know, like a trade organization, or a lawyer who specializes in regulatory compliance.

 

[bnrkwest]

Hubby also said why didn't Walmart get into the open tanks systems and have their own section like they do for gun sales, locked cabinet for ejuice, they could have easily done that and had ID checks, etc and a dedicated area. If they had we may have more big retail boyz in the game at the retail end. At little late for that tho

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Each time a shop builds a coil they are producing a new vape(tobacco) product under the deeming regs.
Same with wicking a coil.
They can sell you a factory coil, but you must install it.
I suppose they can sell you factory made wrapped coils as well just not install them.

 

[OlderNDirt]

I'm 99.99% sure the answer to the coil building question is, no, the shop cannot build you a coil.

As for shops making changes that they possibly don't have to because they don't fully understand how to comply? I think that's likely, and it's why they should be in touch with the people most likely to have the real answers they need. You know, like a trade organization, or a lawyer who specializes in regulatory compliance.

Or the far less expensive, but risky, show you are making every effort to comply and hope for leniency in the "eyes of the court."

 

[Lessifer]

Or the far less expensive, but risky, show you are making every effort to comply and hope for leniency in the "eyes of the court."

That does appear to be some people's idea of a sound business plan.

 

[bnrkwest]

I really feel for vendors right now, they have to jump thru all these hoops to be able to sell only 2 more years! Honestly if I were a vendor I think I'd bail on 8-8-16. Just so much hassle.

 

[the dog]

Donald Trump will just fix everything up for you guys just elect him glad I'm in canada