what the heck is the diff!!??

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valooper

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So okay as you know I am getting into dripping and everything else and I have really been looking into regulated box mods you know like dna30, sigel mod, gi2 mod, etc..... but when I take a look at my mech tube mods and see what they are putting out power wise I dont see the advantage besides having a screen that tells me different things is regulated power really a huge advantage for cloud chasing if so please tell me why I really want a good box mod like hana30 or dna30 or gi2 but I just a little confused lol

My .27 ohm build is correct is like this right?
Ohms= 0.27
Amps= 13.703703703703704
Volts= 3.7v
Watts=50.7037037037037

That is more power than a dna 30 lol and I can lower the resistance even more and get more wattage someone please explain this to me lol
 
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you need to increase the resistance to lower the wattage so you can use the hana 30 at 30 watts regulated

they also have 50 watt devices out there now IPV 2 or something like that maybe

I know that but I am trying to increase wattage not decrease it for more power and bigger clouds I am looking for advice on the advantages of regulated power vs mech power??
 

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Oh, ok. I was confused. I dont have a regulated high powered mod but I think the only advantages are, the safety of it being regulated and getting a consistent vape instead of one that drops off quickly.

I want to get one just to see, but unless its a dual battery regulated mod (for extended battery life) I dont so the benefit because, whats the point of a regulated vape for 2 and a half hours or an unregulated vape at 3 hours if you are changing batteries all the time either way. but thats just my opinion.

Hopefully someone else with more experience ill come along and help out better than I have!
 

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Regulated mods have whats called efficiency some are better than others. The rating suggest that at 90% eff it will per se at requested on the screen 10 watts only ask the battery for x and x amount of watts much less than requested10 watts but still delivering 10watts.

Battery will last a good while longer/lifespan of charges and vapes and usually has a safety feature above and beyond feeling if the batts warm to hot.

Theres regulated mods that go all the way up to 80A+ if you need to have that it can be made. A properly setup regulated mod will blow a mech mod out the water, its taking the power from the battery and tweaking it, amplify with very little to non voltage sag. Its exactly how we power our homes they take a smaller voltage and amplify it. 5000v becomes 24000 volts 24000 volts become 100k volts etc..

Why use a mech at all--- form factor and ease of just dropping in a battery also variety. Theres some guys out there with mechs that have over 600A capability at that level mechs win over regs being theres none created for 4.2v.. But a person could wire several regs in parallel and get that type of power supply but once again the ease of just adding batts wins..

Its just easier to just throw a battery into a mod and go for it.
 

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I was under the assumption that the chip in the regulated mod would draw more power from the battery as the voltage drops, in order to make up for that drop (using a capacitor or something similar), which would shorten the battery life. While a mech just uses what is there.

And this is referring to something like a 50 watt mod at 50 watts. I am simply curious, I dont want to give out bad information
 

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I was under the assumption that the chip in the regulated mod would draw more power from the battery as the voltage drops, in order to make up for that drop (using a capacitor or something similar), which would shorten the battery life. While a mech just uses what is there.

And this is referring to something like a 50 watt mod at 50 watts. I am simply curious, I dont want to give out bad information

No, they usually draw less power and give higher voltages less sag than a battery only mod, depending on the regulator some are better than others.

There really isn't a comparison, regulated mods rule vaping. If uber low ohm cloud chasing or in competition mechs rule, until the hobby/EE guy with a parallel regulated custom built mod pipes up, but those are few..
 

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I was under the assumption that the chip in the regulated mod would draw more power from the battery as the voltage drops, in order to make up for that drop (using a capacitor or something similar), which would shorten the battery life. While a mech just uses what is there.

And this is referring to something like a 50 watt mod at 50 watts. I am simply curious, I dont want to give out bad information

You're sort of correct. It depends on the device. Some might use a buck converter and others might use a SEPIC converter, but regardless regulated mods aren't going to be 100% efficient so you're always going to be drawing more power from the source than you're using at the load.

Technically, mech mods aren't 100% efficient either since there's going to be losses from things like contact resistance, but it's going to be minimal compared to a regulated device.
 

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No, they usually draw less power and give higher voltages less sag than a battery only mod, depending on the regulator some are better than others.

There really isn't a comparison, regulated mods rule vaping. If uber low ohm cloud chasing or in competition mechs rule, until the hobby/EE guy with a parallel regulated custom built mod pipes up, but those are few..

You're sort of correct. It depends on the device. Some might use a buck converter and others might use a SEPIC converter, but regardless regulated mods aren't going to be 100% efficient so you're always going to be drawing more power from the source than you're using at the load.

Technically, mech mods aren't 100% efficient either since there's going to be losses from things like contact resistance, but it's going to be minimal compared to a regulated device.

Thanks guys! Both of these make sense, and I will keep them in mind when thinking of regulated mods in future purchases!
 

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Thanks guys! Both of these make sense, and I will keep them in mind when thinking of regulated mods in future purchases!

You know, I was reading your comment again and I think the word you meant to use was current instead of power, in which case you would be correct. As the battery voltage drops over time, the switching converter will draw more current to stay in regulation. Whether or not this is more current than what is being consumed by load depends on what the device is doing (dropping voltage or boosting voltage).
 

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We all know your stance on the new regulated mods. Please let it be, unless you are answering questions and being helpful :toast:

I was commenting on the subject of this thread and I think my comment was appropriate and to the questions being raised.

Yours on the other hand, telling me to shut up, hidden behind your keyboard, reflects on you badly.

Or maybe it was a joke ? If so I missed the humor
 
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You know, I was reading your comment again and I think the word you meant to use was current instead of power, in which case you would be correct. As the battery voltage drops over time, the switching converter will draw more current to stay in regulation. Whether or not this is more current than what is being consumed by load depends on what the device is doing (dropping voltage or boosting voltage).

Yeah that is probably what I should have said. I should have thought about my terminology (and the science of it) more! hahaha
 
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