el kamino is nothing like bobas. its good but it taste totally different. how is ave blend 4? what flavor notes are in it? they say its a ry4 but every ry4 is different.
What the HECK?!?!?!?
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We shouldn't make so exclusive statements. 
I agree that it is not Bobas but there can be some hints. We often forget that different people can feel different main aroma regarding same juice. It is beauty of our taste buds. So someone can feel as main aroma (beside those which can also be felt) something which he also feels while vaping Bobas... for him El Kamino would be very similar, for me not so much.
Point - there are some people (including myself) who don't think that El Kamino is simlar to Bobas, but for you it may not be the same.
I agree that it is not Bobas but there can be some hints. We often forget that different people can feel different main aroma regarding same juice. It is beauty of our taste buds. So someone can feel as main aroma (beside those which can also be felt) something which he also feels while vaping Bobas... for him El Kamino would be very similar, for me not so much.
Point - there are some people (including myself) who don't think that El Kamino is simlar to Bobas, but for you it may not be the same.
I couldn't care less about comparable juices.
I waited MONTHS and FINALLY got some Boba's, GJ and CC in my wishlist only to log in just now to add something else and my wishlist is gone, I cant even find where to create a wishlist AND if that weren't enough to piss me off, Boba's and GJ arent even on the site as being for sale anymore.
Ben, I've also been one of the patient one's.... And you have been pretty crappy at letting people know whats going on, pretty slow to get your crap together and now my wishlist that YOU suggested to do is GONE and my favorite juice EVER is not even for sale anymore.
What is going on dude?
I have a suggestion, why don't you just sell all your recipies to a businessman and retire to somewhere on the cash you make.
Jesus H Christ.
Getting juice should NEVER be this hard or frustrating.
Sorry for the rant to any fanboys that may be left.
I waited MONTHS and FINALLY got some Boba's, GJ and CC in my wishlist only to log in just now to add something else and my wishlist is gone, I cant even find where to create a wishlist AND if that weren't enough to piss me off, Boba's and GJ arent even on the site as being for sale anymore.
Ben, I've also been one of the patient one's.... And you have been pretty crappy at letting people know whats going on, pretty slow to get your crap together and now my wishlist that YOU suggested to do is GONE and my favorite juice EVER is not even for sale anymore.
What is going on dude?
I have a suggestion, why don't you just sell all your recipies to a businessman and retire to somewhere on the cash you make.
Jesus H Christ.
Getting juice should NEVER be this hard or frustrating.
Sorry for the rant to any fanboys that may be left.
Nice try to spin the subject, then throwing yourself on the ground and crying "victim". You are right that there ARE nice, helpful people on ECF, but you sure as hell aren't one of them. ALL you've done in EVERY post you've made on this thread is try to piss people off and act like you are better than everyone else. Have you made even ONE positive contribution to this thread? NO
Since you didn't comprehend it when I said it the first time, I'll say it again. I started this thread in order to vent my frustrations. NOT to have some attention-hungry troll start telling all of us that are disappointed in AVE to "get over it", "stop whining", "get over it", "stop whining", "get over it", "stop whining", "get over it", "stop whining", "get over it", "stop whining". I think I've actually heard REAL broken records with more intelligent things to say than what you've been dribbling from your pie hole.
Once again... If you don't like "whining" or us not "getting over it", you can shut the hell up and go elsewhere. Nobody held a gun on you and forced you to read this thread, and TRUST me... nobody wants your sorry carcass here anyways!
You can "whine" that I'm bullying you if you WANT. "Get over it"! I'm just stating what everyone else in this thread is thinking!
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You left out "entitled" i.e. you know, the entitlement cliche. It's all from a certain news network meme I call "the most often repeated words list" .
Somebody implanted them into his brain and then pressed the permanent auto-repeat button.
I guess I'd rather just own a parrot and teach them the words, at least they make good companions and are colorful.
I got mine so who cares about anybody else, right?
Look seriously, this is a rather odd way to run a business. Let's say a company didn't have a really popular product. Would everyone be saying "oh, this is fine to run things like this" ? No.
I know a lot of very briiliant people who are good at what they do....creative types.......who just can't run a business. They continue doing what they do best, whether it be making juice, rehabbing wildlife, etc. and hire somebody else to do the "business end."
Even smoketek ran a clearance sale on AVE's juices back in april, and noted on their site that they had no word from AVE as to why they weren't getting stock, etc. It's okay to run into problems, it's not okay to not be able to communicate that in a timely and proper manner to your customers and to your re-seller channels.
Alien Visions U.S. Made E-Juice - The Makers of Boba's Bounty and Gorilla Juice
Here's an idea: If you are reaching order capacity within 10 minutes of opening, instead of completely deleting long-time customer's wish lists and shopping carts.........why not limit the sizes that go out and how many to whom? That way, you serve more customers, thus keeping more people happy, instead of the 150 people that are logging on and buying 15 100ml bottles of Bobas Bounty and selling them in the gray market. They aren't the people you should be trying to keep happy anyway, they are the opportunists.
If you run the biz in a normal way then you still have product next month, when the normal customer has run out of their one or two 30ml bottles.
The problem with "feeding" the panic/vulture/greed crowd is that, you run into the same scenario that banks did when they had to close their doors a few years ago. It benefits NOBODY. Including the businesses themselves.
It's just sad to see things being run like this, that's all. It's not about whining, or getting over anything. Its about watching a business implode on itself.
P.S. This is actually an interesting portrait for a budding business 101 college class to study...I used to teach such a class and we often assigned these case studies for the class to evaluate. I think I will pass this one on to some of my ex collegues to toss around.
Interesting business model.In the end, my thoughts go out to Ben and associates, this has got to be terribly stressful. I can't imagine what they must be experiencing.
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I don't know if we all realize how much Boba's and GJ is being sold. While AVE hasn't announced any official openings over the past few weeks, they have accepted and processed orders on a random basis multiple times. I happened to get an order in on one of those occasions, and sat there for the ten to fifteen minutes or so the website was up, just watching the "In Stock" numbers as I clicked around the site.
Boba's 100ml bottles went from 50 in stock to zero, then back up to 150. By the time the site went down it had already dropped back down to 87 in stock. This is within fifteen minutes, and one liquid, and one size of bottle. Roughly sixty five 100ml bottles of GJ also sold during that span. That's crazy to me.
I am not defending AVE, and have my own opinions on improvements that can be made, but thought it interesting to get a glimpse at the volume they may to be doing. I knew AVE was popular, but think I may have underestimated how high the demand really is. I have to imagine them running out completely wasn't part of their plan.
On the topic of El Kamino, I don't get Boba's so much, but I do think it is very good. With Boba's I get more of a honey graham, whereas Kamino I pick up more banana and cinnamon notes. Some other AVE liquid I have tried and enjoyed are Hype and Bees Knees. The Hype is a nice peach and melon blend that isn't overly sweet, and has an overall light feel to it. Bees Knees reminds me of Backwoods Brew Honey Flue Cured, but with more honey taste and sweetness to it.
Boba's 100ml bottles went from 50 in stock to zero, then back up to 150. By the time the site went down it had already dropped back down to 87 in stock. This is within fifteen minutes, and one liquid, and one size of bottle. Roughly sixty five 100ml bottles of GJ also sold during that span. That's crazy to me.
I am not defending AVE, and have my own opinions on improvements that can be made, but thought it interesting to get a glimpse at the volume they may to be doing. I knew AVE was popular, but think I may have underestimated how high the demand really is. I have to imagine them running out completely wasn't part of their plan.
On the topic of El Kamino, I don't get Boba's so much, but I do think it is very good. With Boba's I get more of a honey graham, whereas Kamino I pick up more banana and cinnamon notes. Some other AVE liquid I have tried and enjoyed are Hype and Bees Knees. The Hype is a nice peach and melon blend that isn't overly sweet, and has an overall light feel to it. Bees Knees reminds me of Backwoods Brew Honey Flue Cured, but with more honey taste and sweetness to it.
You left out "entitled" i.e. you know, the entitlement cliche. It's all from a certain news network meme I call "the most often repeated words list" .
Somebody implanted them into his brain and then pressed the permanent auto-repeat button.
I guess I'd rather just own a parrot and teach them the words, at least they make good companions and are colorful.
I got mine so who cares about anybody else, right?
Look seriously, this is a rather odd way to run a business. Let's say a company didn't have a really popular product. Would everyone be saying "oh, this is fine to run things like this" ? No.
I know a lot of very briiliant people who are good at what they do....creative types.......who just can't run a business. They continue doing what they do best, whether it be making juice, rehabbing wildlife, etc. and hire somebody else to do the "business end."
Even smoketek ran a clearance sale on AVE's juices back in april, and noted on their site that they had no word from AVE as to why they weren't getting stock, etc. It's okay to run into problems, it's not okay to not be able to communicate that in a timely and proper manner to your customers and to your re-seller channels.
Alien Visions U.S. Made E-Juice - The Makers of Boba's Bounty and Gorilla Juice
Here's an idea: If you are reaching order capacity within 10 minutes of opening, instead of completely deleting long-time customer's wish lists and shopping carts.........why not limit the sizes that go out and how many to whom? That way, you serve more customers, thus keeping more people happy, instead of the 150 people that are logging on and buying 15 100ml bottles of Bobas Bounty and selling them in the gray market. They aren't the people you should be trying to keep happy anyway, they are the opportunists.
If you run the biz in a normal way then you still have product next month, when the normal customer has run out of their one or two 30ml bottles.
The problem with "feeding" the panic/vulture/greed crowd is that, you run into the same scenario that banks did when they had to close their doors a few years ago. It benefits NOBODY. Including the businesses themselves.
It's just sad to see things being run like this, that's all. It's not about whining, or getting over anything. Its about watching a business implode on itself.
P.S. This is actually an interesting portrait for a budding business 101 college class to study...I used to teach such a class and we often assigned these case studies for the class to evaluate. I think I will pass this one on to some of my ex collegues to toss around.
In the end, my thoughts go out to Ben and associates, this has got to be terribly stressful. I can't imagine what they must be experiencing.
"implode on itself"? are you kidding? do you have any idea what you're talking about? do you know their financials? their return on investment? where they want to be as a business? you want the stuff when you want it- they don't make enough of it to satisfy your demand. they have the best selling product in the business- you can suggest, discuss, vent, commiserate, and wring your hands, but in the end its your demand but their supply. why not have your ex colleagues come up with a better business model, invest the capital, reverse engineer the juice and run the business so everyone gets the juice when they want to- its called capitalism. now go ahead and call me names and tell me to take a hike, but in the end they still run the business they want and you complain but still line up to buy every bit of product they produce. sounds like a great business model.
I am another AVE fan and I have been trying to keep up with all of Ben's post about the new website and whats going on. And it was my understanding that they officially re opened july 1st,did i read it wrong or am i correct that AVE did re open for normal business on July 1st?? if so it has been exactly 5business days and certain products are out of stock due to ingredients not being available or this is how i understood the message and that is why BB and GJ is no longer available at this time. I may be wrong but this is what i gathered from the messages on the AVE home page. I realize i am fairly new of this forum but i have vaped bb aund gj and no other for 8plus months and I also have been out since March and I also have been nice and dedicated customer while i eagerly wait on there updates and upgrades,and no I am not business savy,but i would have thought extra ingredients by the .... LOAD would have been gathered during this downtime(50 gallon drums)if need be. So I am not impressed that there are problems with supply and demand after only being open for 5 business days. but if i am wrong and if they have not officially Opened then MY BAD i have just misunderstood what i have read. I want to support them and i have been but now its getting hard to continue month after month and I really dont know if iam actually waiting for something that is going to actually happen or is it about to be another thing of my past. STill Hanging in THERE...Just Seems Really Odd 
I'm thinking about something - maybe they have BB and GJ in stock but they intentionaly stop sales from time to time... BB and GJ are juices which made AVE brend... but they still need to sell other juices, specally if they have a lot of them on stock.
So maybe they planned this kind of things... stop selling BB and GJ from time to time and people end bying other juices even if they didn't want to... same as I bought some juices that I thought I will never buy.
So maybe they planned this kind of things... stop selling BB and GJ from time to time and people end bying other juices even if they didn't want to... same as I bought some juices that I thought I will never buy.
any more news yet? Been checking the site everyday but still nothing Never tried bobas but it sounds so good
Never tried bobas but it sounds so good
any more news yet? Been checking the site everyday but still nothing
Be glad you haven't....otherwise, you'd be like everyone else who are lined up like zombies, and getting more ...... off by the second while waiting for their Boba's to be back in stock.
And they said Vaping was supposed to get free us from our tobacco addiction....leave it to Ben and Alien Visions to create the best tobacco flavor on the face of the planet, and screw that up for everyone.
I switched over to The Plume Room and Copper Creek for my juice; I am thrilled. It's really good stuff.
Happy.
Happy.
You guys should head over to the DIY section and look at the Boba's Clone thread. Some great progress is being made and some people who have thoroughly tested some of the clone batches have enjoyed them more than Boba's. You shouldn't let one single juice from one single vendor have its grip on you so tightly. Experiment with other juices and widen your taste profile. I've also heard good things about El Kamino and Deadly Sin from GoodLifeVapors as Boba's replacements/upgrades.
I've never tried any of them but I DIY my own tobacco recipes and a large number of them are definite keepers. Don't mean to come off as preachy or judgemental, just looking out for fellow vapers. The amount of anger/stalkerism/impatience in this thread leads me to believe that some of you aren't enjoying your vape experience because of one simple juice, hence this post trying to help out.
I've never tried any of them but I DIY my own tobacco recipes and a large number of them are definite keepers. Don't mean to come off as preachy or judgemental, just looking out for fellow vapers. The amount of anger/stalkerism/impatience in this thread leads me to believe that some of you aren't enjoying your vape experience because of one simple juice, hence this post trying to help out.
I finally found 2 flavors to replace Bobas for me. El Kamino and English Bulldog. Tastes BETTER to me, flows better, costs less AND its actually IN STOCK! NICE change after having AVE treat their customers like a hungry village of Etheopians going after a bag of donuts! I HIGHLY doubt AVE will ever get my juice $$ again!
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I think that is an EXCELLENT point.
That saying, never put all your eggs in one basket.
Good to have alternatives for those times when you find yourself between a rock and a hard place.
Meanwhile, I'm sure production over at AVE will get back on track when flavor supplier etc. that AVE is also dependent on to make the juice sends them more product. Just as we are dependent on certain vendor juice, the vendor is dependent on their suppliers, too.
I was trying to give ave the benefit of the doubt and hoping they'd be doing ok after the re-opening. But it feels like the same old crap over and over. The website is working nicely but there's no bb or gj. Did they stock up on flavoring while they were down? It doesn't look like it to me. I feel bad for everyone who didn't get to order their juice after all the promises about ave making it "worth your while" after they were back up and running.
Maybe THEIR supplier has a supplier. Everyone can only produce so much "stuff", right?
When demand is so great, especially ALL AT ONCE, there are bound to be problems.
I think I used the analogy of trying to buy drinking water in the grocery store right before a hurricane is predicted to hit your town.
It's rough. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm disappointed, but I'm going to sit back and find something else for now, and if there comes a time when I can get BB or GJ under more normal circumstances, without all the stress, I will certainly still be a customer at AVE.
I really started reflecting on this over the past 2 weeks and decided that I did not want to feel stress, but I also don't want to put any exxtra stress on this vendor, either, ya know?
I"ve gone thru this with many other products over my lifetime. I used to love this one particular mexican food and the manufacturer stopped making it. Ditto, this one paricular frozen soup.
I really was pretty sad about it at the time. LOL
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Might be hard to keep up with demand. I never tried bona.and.never will. I like fruity sweet vapes.
But I applaud them not biting off more then they can chew and sacrificing the quality of their merchandise.
Just enjoy vaping other liquids and keep trying.
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But I applaud them not biting off more then they can chew and sacrificing the quality of their merchandise.
Just enjoy vaping other liquids and keep trying.
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Precisely. There are just too many great juices out there both via vendors and DIYer's alike to be stressing over one single juice. Without coming off as insulting, it seems ridiculous to me.
Good stuff, thats awesome to hear. I've heard nothing but good things from GLV but have been too deep in the DIY world to afford any vendor juice atm. How would you describe the English Bulldog? Their site says its too complex and that you would need to try it first-hand.
Not to be pooper on the parade but i think porphy should get a little break with the hostility. Seems he is not the only one having problems keeping up with demand......El kamino seems to be out of stock ATM since a lot of folks went wondering. Go figure not 100% of ave's customers went there either, it was probably a split percentage to various vendors.
I do agree widen your horizons so you have some fall backs as it seems vape vendors go thru these issues time to time in my short term vaping experience.
This happens in the IT world too, remember hard drives a little bit ago? When you could get them, people were gouging 3-4 times as much (even newegg...shame them while they probably bought half the available stock to profit). I know a disaster caused that, but not all manu's were in that disaster zone either.
I do agree widen your horizons so you have some fall backs as it seems vape vendors go thru these issues time to time in my short term vaping experience.
This happens in the IT world too, remember hard drives a little bit ago? When you could get them, people were gouging 3-4 times as much (even newegg...shame them while they probably bought half the available stock to profit). I know a disaster caused that, but not all manu's were in that disaster zone either.
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