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What to do with 6 pounds of tobacco?

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  1. tchavei

    tchavei Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2014
    Portugal
    Hi guys.

    When I quit smoking for the last time (almost 2 years ago), I still had a stash of at least 6 pounds of Virginia flue cured tobacco leafs (one pound shredded and 5 in whole leafs). I never threw them away.

    Since I'm getting ready for EU's vapeaggedon in may, I have stashed up and deep frozen over 4L of nic that should last me around a decade. While I was cleaning out my drawers, I found that tobacco. It kinda hurts me throwing it all away and it smells so nice... I won't ever lite another cigarette again but making NET juice out of it has crossed my mind.

    What would be the easiest way of just "experimenting" with net to see if it's worth it? I have pg, VG, isopropyl alcohol or even vodka. I have easy access to VG. Pg not so much but it's doable.

    I've read about extraction and the simplest seems to be cold maceration. Will I get pretty much an idea if nets are worth it by cold macerating 50gr of tobacco in pg or VG for a month or such?

    Thx guys.

    Regards
    Tony

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  2. r77r7r

    r77r7r ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2011
    Pa,LandOfTaxes
    give it to the Homeless?
     
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  3. tchavei

    tchavei Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2014
    Portugal
    And promote the use of tobacco?

    Now seriously, I have no problem giving it to the homeless if I can't find no use for it.

    You think it's inadequate for making net flavoring?

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  4. SteveS45

    SteveS45 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2016
    Long Island, New York
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  5. SteveS45

    SteveS45 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2016
    Long Island, New York
    Hope this helps with your quandary of what to do with 6 Lbs of Tobacco
     
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  6. anavidfan

    anavidfan ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 14, 2012
    U.S.
    Try some NET, is so easy....
     
  7. zulu965

    zulu965 Full Member

    Jul 23, 2015
    Portugal
    Greetings fellow countryman:)

    You really must try extracting, it's easy and very rewarding.

    A few words of advice (based on my experience and preferences):
    • Although some people use VG for extraction I find that PG is preferable. It's slightly better as a solvent and much easier to filter (VG is almost 34 times more viscous than PG);
    • For virginias I prefer ethanol extractions (don't forget to concentrate the extract and "freeze filter" - read the thread Tobacco extraction using heated Ethanol);
    • For english pipe blends (latakia, orientals) I prefer PG extractions, with ethanol I find the result too bright, almost like perfume.
    If you only have one type of tobacco in hand you can try several small batches of 10-15 g with different solvents (PG, VG, ethanol) and processes (cold, heated).
    Then you can compare the results and decide what's best for you.
    Keep in mind that for cold extractions you should allow for a maceration time of at least one month (I usually go for two or three months).
    But you can sample the extract along the way, say once per week.

    Happy extractions:thumb:
     
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  8. tchavei

    tchavei Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2014
    Portugal
    Thank you for all the feedback. I guess I have some reading to do :)



    Thank you for your explanation :)

    What do you use as "ethanol", here in Portugal?
    VG is easily available in pharmacies and supermarkets. Where do you get your PG?

    Thx, best regards.

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  9. SteveS45

    SteveS45 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2016
    Long Island, New York
    Did you visit the thread I provided the link to?
     
  10. tchavei

    tchavei Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2014
    Portugal
    I'm reading through it as I write this :)

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  11. SteveS45

    SteveS45 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2016
    Long Island, New York
    There is a wealth of information there plus search for other threads. I see no reason not to use that 6 Lbs of Tobacco unless it is stale! Good Luck :thumbs:
     
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  12. tchavei

    tchavei Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2014
    Portugal
    Yeah although I already read your opinion about nets in general and to be honest, I kinda agree. I'm a simple guy with simple tastes. Heck I have been vaping one flavor (diy menthol) only for like 6 years so that definitely speaks for itself. It wasn't the lust or curiosity that made me read about nets. It's just all this stashed tobacco I have here with no apparent use.

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  13. SteveS45

    SteveS45 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2016
    Long Island, New York
    Do not go by my opinion because I do not have any first hand experience with NET's. I have 4 different Tobacco e-Liquids here on my desk! None are Naturally Extracted and if you just do a small batch for testing purposes maybe you will like it. If you don't maybe you have a friend who would enjoy it. I hate to waste things even though it is Tobacco! Good Luck
     
  14. zulu965

    zulu965 Full Member

    Jul 23, 2015
    Portugal
    Ethanol you'll have to order it from a pharmacy, but be sure to ask for the "pure" 95% kind (with no additives like cetrimide).
    It's a bit expensive because of the taxes but you don't want to vape that crap that they add to denatured ethanol.

    PG I've been getting it from a vape shop, 2smok in Lisbon.
    I also got it once or twice from a spanish online shop, don't remember which one.
    Price is similar, though.

    Edit: Common name of ethanol ("etanol" in portuguese) is "álcool etílico" (CH3CH2OH)
     
  15. tchavei

    tchavei Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2014
    Portugal
    Thx. I will look into it. I think I'll try cold maceration first because it looks simpler. If I get some kind of success, I'll try the other method next :)

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  16. 67Tele

    67Tele Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 23, 2014
    Austin
    Hey Tony! Haven't seen you in awhile.
    I started cold NET extraction about 6-8 months ago. It's easy but, you need patience. I got some good information about equipment and starting out here: Getting started,help please
    You probably don't need all the equipment since this may be a one-time thing for you. The essentials for this would be:
    PG and VG
    Mason jars
    Funnel
    Filters
    Boston Round or Plastic bottles
    Time and more time.

    Drop me a line if you have any questions.
     
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  17. tchavei

    tchavei Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2014
    Portugal
    Thx :) I'll take you up on that.

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  18. dannyv45

    dannyv45 ECF DIY E-Liquid Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 12, 2013
    New Jersey
    Hot extraction is a quick and easy method to extract tobacco. You can use PG or PGA. It takes about 12 hours.

    My method

    Cut tobacco into small shards

    put it in a mason jar with a tight lid

    fill jar with PG to 1/4" above the tobacco and cap the jar.

    Place jar in a crock pot filled with water above the PG/tobacco line. Keep track of evaporation and add water as needed.

    cook 12 -24 hours with the crock pot set on low (About 140F). the longer you cook it the more concentrated the extract. I do 18 - 24 hours.

    Suck up PG into a large syringe using no needle or a 14ga needle (30ml or larger syringe works best)

    Filter through a coffee filter 1 - 2 times (An areopress coffee maker works great for filtering)
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    Use as primary tobacco flavoring at 15% -20% in your usual base (add additional flavoring such as creams, caramel, vanilla, nut flavor, chocolate etc.... if desired).

    Notes: After filtering if it sits a few days or weeks you may notice grayish colored strands floating through the extract don't be alarmed it's not mold it's coagulated tobacco byproduct. Just filter it again.

    Also I highly recommend working with PG or PGA, VG will work but it's much harder to work with in regards to the extraction/filtering process due to it's viscosity.

    If you use PGA (Pure grain alcohol) use this process

    Tobacco extraction using heated Ethanol
     
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