Nicotine is not illegal. You just can't ship the stuff in ways that don't resemble cancer sticks.
What Will the Future of ECF Look Like .. ??
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Nicotine is not illegal. You just can't ship the stuff in ways that don't resemble cancer sticks.
It will be an experience going forward, maybe one day we will have to go backwards.... Blue foam fish filters, tea bags, altoid tins, flashlight mods... 
We were a small but adventurous group back then, hopefully, that won't be any different going forward. I believe we will still have ECF for years to come to figure this all out. We grew from humble beginnings into over 10 million strong in the U.S. well now maybe 9 but there are those that just need the knowledge, this shipping ban will be the ultimate wake up call and those looking for answers will wander in together. One day we will look back and say remember the shipping ban and laugh and laugh
We were a small but adventurous group back then, hopefully, that won't be any different going forward. I believe we will still have ECF for years to come to figure this all out. We grew from humble beginnings into over 10 million strong in the U.S. well now maybe 9 but there are those that just need the knowledge, this shipping ban will be the ultimate wake up call and those looking for answers will wander in together. One day we will look back and say remember the shipping ban and laugh and laugh
But it kinda is because, as I understand it, any eliquid (or hardware for that matter) that doesn't have a submitted and accepted PMTA is actually illegal for sale to a US consumer, therefore shipping it is also illegal since it's an illegal "tobacco product".
I wonder how many eliquid UPCs being sold right now have a submitted and accepted PMTA.
It's not illegal per se. You just can't ship it. There's absolutely nothing that prevents you from obtaining the components from the source and transporting it yourself (yeah, totally unrealistic).
I know that is a valid answer @UncleJunkle but most have already done the PMTA thing and stated so. The bigger question is will it be available for direct consumer sales in the future. I believe the powers that be, big money, will tie up any loose ends as we move forward. Nic is a loose end
Do you have a reliable source for looking up who has a submitted and accepted PMTA? I have come across a couple sites in past months but not much in the way of info & not sure of reliability.
Not at hand, just from what I am reading from the sellers. I look at it this way too vaping is only a piece of the picture puzzle, nicotine, flavors, pg/vg and the like existed as thriving businesses long before vaping ulitized their products, they will do what it takes to retain their market/business. So while it may hurt companies that catered to or became vaping centric this will not be their end all. I can see no direct consumer sales in nicotine future.
But I'm pretty sure that any vape product deemed a tobacco product, that doesn't have a submitted (and accepted, or at least not rejected) PMTA, is an illegal tobacco product (with or without nicotine) - sale is prohibited, not just shipping.
Maybe I am misunderstanding you, I'm confused... Do you really believe that big pharmaceuticals, nic patch, gum, lozenges, inhalers, pouches... won't be able to obtain nicotine? That it can't be sold/shipped to big pharma without a PMTA? Or that they won't get a PMTA for nicotine to be used for vaping eliquid? ...not if big tobacco has anything to say about it and I'm sure they do.
No, I'm not talking about pharmaceuticals. I'm talking about how the PMTA process essentially makes some nicotine illegal right now in the USA since Sept 2020 because it makes some tobacco products illegal.
Nicvape is the perfect example of this. They did not submit any PMTAs. They are allowed to operate within the USA, but they are not allowed to sell their products to end users in the USA (let alone ship them). So they only sell and ship outside the USA. Why? Their particular nicotine happens to be illegal by virtue of deciding to not submit PMTAs for any of their nicotine-containing SKUs. Their nicotine, labeled under their name and brand(s), is illegal. That makes Terriroo correct in a way.
But I'm gonna drop it before I derail this thread further. Sorry.
The WOKE police won't stop here. It's about Slavery and Control. They already have everyone wearing Diapers on their faces, scared to death that everyone around them are Diseased. Scared to death that one whiff of cigarette smoke/ vapor will kill them. Scared to death that driving their cars is going to destroy the planet. While at the same time, the WOKE don't believe that there are only two sexes.
Sorry for the rant. I was kicked off of Twitter/FascistBook. Had to get it out somehow.
Sorry for the rant. I was kicked off of Twitter/FascistBook. Had to get it out somehow.
While i do agree a bit on the Woke part,world at the moment is way to sensitive for their own good these days,anything like a comment on twitter can get you fired or incarcerated but...the mask part?
yeah not buying it sorry buddy.
Everytime i go out i encounter people i don't know,bet your behind im scared to death!!
Scared for my pops and scared for me,so if my chances of not getting covid go up by a significant % when i use a mask and practice social distancing you bet that is exactly what i am going to do.
P.S: Sorry for going off topic,couldn't let this one go.
Doesn't belong here on ECF either. You want to rant about stuff like this? Take it to Outside. Otherwise leave it out of the threads on ECF.
Our fearless leader will prove us right once again - when he said this back in 2014.
nicotine extraction- tomato's?
nicotine extraction- tomato's?
We don't like crap like that on the Outside, either!
So thankful for that, too.
Hopefully, ECF will get through this pretty much unscathed. We still need it for so many reasons.
And where is the logic in that, eh?
Guess you haven't heard. Its all about Slavery and Control. I wouldn't know about that!
Has anybody heard real news about a final cutoff date for USPS? Will we get some sort of warning?
As long as they can still source advertisement for something in a way that allows the site to remain at least feasible I don't see any reason why it would go down completely. I mean unless laws pass that allow sites to be held accountable for what people say on them as some were pushing for recently. Believing that it would lead to less restrictiveness somehow. But anyhow that's edging on political so I'm going to drop it.
I honestly believe that if it starts costing money for governments to have a slowly dying sick populace rather than creating profits through slowly dying people things will turn around like we're seeing with marijuana right now. But I'm sure there will be the war on vaping for a while first
I honestly believe that if it starts costing money for governments to have a slowly dying sick populace rather than creating profits through slowly dying people things will turn around like we're seeing with marijuana right now. But I'm sure there will be the war on vaping for a while first
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