What would you do if vaping becomes banned in your area?

[catalyst]

For those that say extracting nicotine at home is easy, please explain.
From listening to the chemists on this forum it is not "easy" to get any reasonable amount of nicotine.

Well, the problem isn't actually extracting the nicotine, the problem is doing it with nontoxic ingredients that don't corrode the equipment used. Heck, you can extract nicotine from tobacco with ammonia, but you end up with other ingredients beside the nicotine. You could make a simple tincture with snus packets, vg, and a crock pot.

You shouldn't ever have to worry about that though. Nicotine has many uses aside from vaping and cigarettes. A nationwide ban of Nicotine seems extremely unrealistic.

 

[Mowgli]

I would still DIY and vape

I'd eventually run out of nic

Then monkeys might fly out of my donkey because they'd tax it not ban it.

 

[III BIRDMAN III]

At this point I think I would be fine just Vaping 0 nic Juice.

It would have to be one of my favorite flavors though.
But I think if I was to get pulled over with my New Mod in my car.
There might be a slight car chase going on

 

[durianeliquidflavorplease]

The OP is Pinoy like me, and he is prolly asking this in view of the recent clamor from some health officials here in the Philippines to ban e-cig sales until studies prove vaping's harmlessness, despite a wealth of evidence favoring us vapers. The guilty-until-proven-innocent approach as usual, a Pinoy tendency, coupled with outdated and biased, selective use of information. Meanwhile, cigarette prices here remain among the cheapest in the world even with the recently-imposed "Sin Taxes." And analogs here are most commonly bought by the stick for chump change.

I'm seriously thinking how I'd go by if these ANTZ eventually get their way. Sadly, we Pinoys can readily go back to real cigarettes if left with no choice. On the other hand, I can take comfort in the fact that law enforcement here is very lame anyway, and I can take chances with doing something (unfairly and irrationally) illegal.

Or maybe, I can move to China! LOL. I have read that smoking is legal even in indoor arenas there. In one NBA exhibition game, Paul Pierce suffered some problems because many people watching the game were smoking. So vaping of course should raise no issues. Not to mention thousands of vaping items are made there and sold at low prices. Fat chance.

 

[Mowgli]

I never had trouble finding anything I wanted in Olongapo


Maybe different without the Navy Base but PI is as PI does right?

 

[DC2]

A nationwide ban of Nicotine seems extremely unrealistic.

A nationwide restriction on who can access it, what hoops they have to jump through, and how that process is taxed and licensed?

 

[JuiceIsLoose]

Checking my stash

Hmmm, have a mechanical device coming in the mail, a spool of wire, a spool of wick, AW batteries, charger, a few clearos and soon and RBA. Get PG/VG from pharmacies and food flavors are not a big deal. Process tobacco to get some nic (if I am still using nic) and done.

I've never lived my life adjusted to the average intelligence of the typical .....--why start now?

 

[catalyst]

A nationwide restriction on who can access it, what hoops they have to jump through, and how that process is taxed and licensed?

Eh, maybe. I doubt it though. I'm talking about a ban. A ban isn't going to happen anytime soon, if ever. I could maybe see an over zealous director of the FDA making it harder to buy 100mg and higher nicotine but under 100mg is used in many research labs. Don't forget that nicotine has uses other than smoking/vaping/dipping. Most chemicals are not regulated (although an argument could be made that maybe they should be.) The issue we have though, is even if you ban or regulate a chemical it's usually not that hard to extract it from something else or to create an analogue. If you have any doubt, watch the news about all the trailer chemists (.... heads.) It took years and years to get anhydrous harder to get. The reason was because it's used for so many other things.

 

[DC2]

You could make a simple tincture with snus packets, vg, and a crock pot.

And what strength juice would result? Maybe 2mg strength?

 

[catalyst]

And what strength juice would result? Maybe 2mg strength?

After 12 hours, yes. That was just one example of a way to extract nicotine. My point is that there are low tech ways to do it at home. I have quality equipment available to me, unlike most people, so I can do it with better results. If it became cumbersome or expensive to buy nicotine in bulk there are plenty of ways around that.

 

[DC2]

Eh, maybe. I doubt it though. I'm talking about a ban. A ban isn't going to happen anytime soon, if ever.

I'm not talking about a ban, because there will be no ban. I'm talking about regulation that would have the same result as a ban.

I could maybe see an over zealous director of the FDA making it harder to buy 100mg and higher nicotine but under 100mg is used in many research labs.

Why the 100mg number? Why not just ANY free-roaming nicotine juice period.
That is in the best interests of EVERYONE who has tons of money, power, and a big stake in this game.

Don't forget that nicotine has uses other than smoking/vaping/dipping.

Yes, research and pesticides.
And it is being phased out as a pesticide.

Why do you think they won't limit who can access it and under what circumstances?
After all, it is a poison, and it will kill all the children.

Most chemicals are not regulated (although an argument could be made that maybe they should be.) The issue we have though, is even if you ban or regulate a chemical it's usually not that hard to extract it from something else or to create an analogue. If you have any doubt, watch the news about all the trailer chemists (.... heads.) It took years and years to get anhydrous harder to get. The reason was because it's used for so many other things.

So you're saying we shouldn't worry because we can all just become trailer chemists?

 

[durianeliquidflavorplease]

I never had trouble finding anything I wanted in Olongapo


Maybe different without the Navy Base but PI is as PI does right?

Well, as of now, things are OK, and we have an organization fighting for us, but we're just figuring out how to go about this in case the local ANTZ succeed.

 

[Vapo Marx]

Hey, I'm not in favor of fear-mongering and panic. But I remember when about half of adults smoked (or so it seemed to me), one could smoke just about anywhere and tobacco was readily available and cheap... and I'm not all that old. Vaping appears to be much less harmful to health - maybe even relatively harmless, although no one knows for sure yet - but I think it's already getting lumped in with smoking in the minds of the general public.

Never say never, that's all I'm sayin'.

 

[catalyst]

I'm not talking about a ban, because there will be no ban. I'm talking about regulation that would have the same result as a ban.


Why the 100mg number? Why not just ANY free-roaming nicotine juice period.
That is in the best interests of EVERYONE who has tons of money, power, and a big stake in this game.


Yes, research and pesticides.
And it is being phased out as a pesticide.

Why do you think they won't limit who can access it and under what circumstances?
After all, it is a poison, and it will kill all the children.


So you're saying we shouldn't worry because we can all just become trailer chemists?

Okay, I'll put this to you: What makes you think a ban (or a pseudo-ban, as you allege) is in the works? Is there a bill Congress is debating or possibly an update from the FDA that I havent' heard about? I've never heard of any US government agency attempting the banning or restriction of nicotine base or discussing it. Maybe I've missed something.


In reference to the trailer chemist comment: Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. If our government bans ALL nicotine then yes, you'll have to be a chemist if you want nicotine. But I have no evidence to make me think a ban or even close to a ban is coming.

"After all, it is a poison, and it will kill all the children." That would totally be the line they would use, wouldn't it? We're always trying to save the children. LOL.

Why the 100mg number? Because at 100mg and higher it gets much more dangerous. Of course, it's a poison at any level.

"I'm talking about regulation that would have the same result as a ban." And whom will sponsor this legislation? Who do you think would be behind it and who would be opposed?

 

[DC2]

Okay, I'll put this to you: What makes you think a ban (or a pseudo-ban, as you allege) is in the works? Is there a bill Congress is debating or possibly an update from the FDA that I havent' heard about? I've never heard of any US government agency attempting the banning or restriction of nicotine base or discussing it. Maybe I've missed something.


In reference to the trailer chemist comment: Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. If our government bans ALL nicotine then yes, you'll have to be a chemist if you want nicotine. But I have no evidence to make me think a ban or even close to a ban is coming.

"After all, it is a poison, and it will kill all the children." That would totally be the line they would use, wouldn't it? We're always trying to save the children. LOL.

Why the 100mg number? Because at 100mg and higher it gets much more dangerous. Of course, it's a poison at any level.

"I'm talking about regulation that would have the same result as a ban." And whom will sponsor this legislation? Who do you think would be behind it and who would be opposed?

Sounds like you have not heard about the FSPTCA, Chapter IX, and the coming "deeming regulations"...
The FDA & Deeming Regulations of E-cigarettes

 

[catalyst]

Yeah, I'm familiar with that. They've pushed that back to October if I remember correctly. I know there's a lot of speculation about their upcoming ruling but I don't know how you'd make the leap of logic to think that they would ban nicotine base. If they are allowing prefilled cartos don't you think they have to be filled with something? Or do you think they are going to make the cartos be filled with 0% nicotine? The manufacturers of ejuice would still have to be able to buy it.

 

[DC2]

All they have to do is regulate who can access free-roaming nicotine base and under what circumstances.
We already agree on what excuse they will use.

If they do it right they can put nearly everyone out of business except for Big Tobacco and Big Pharma.
And seeing as how that is their goal, I have a hard time trying to understand why that is not what they will try to do.

 

[catalyst]

I'm not disagreeing that it is a possibility. With this government nothing is off limits. I just don't think it will happen.

I think BT is investing heavily in a bid to corner the market, not destroy the market. (Although, I must say, at first it did appear that was their goal.) RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris both have large amounts of money sunk into R&D for their own e-cigs. It appears to me that they have stopped trying to completely get rid of vaping. If BT gets behind vaping it would actually help us in the long run.

(BTW, interesting conversation, thanks)

 

[quiter]

I would break the law. Simple as that.

 

[DC2]

I'm not disagreeing that it is a possibility. With this government nothing is off limits. I just don't think it will happen.

I think BT is investing heavily in a bid to corner the market, not destroy the market. (Although, I must say, at first it did appear that was their goal.) RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris both have large amounts of money sunk into R&D for their own e-cigs. It appears to me that they have stopped trying to completely get rid of vaping. If BT gets behind vaping it would actually help us in the long run.

(BTW, interesting conversation, thanks)

I agree with you that Big Tobacco is getting involved in the hopes of cornering the market.
But it seems to me there is no way they can corner the market while nicotine juice continues to roam about freely.