What's really missing in ejuice?

[jamesam1243]

Note: Tropical Bob is my guru and i follow his experiments closely

Bearing in mind that i am 68 years old, disabled for 15 years, diabetic, arthritis, high cholesterol, bipolar with depression and anxiety, and may heart voices if i am alone too much, and perhaps undiagnosed Parkinson's disease and stopped using the free VA medications because they were screwing me up worse than no medication.. Just a typical ex- Navy basket case i guess..

i have tried most everything and still something is missing in non combustible tobacco,
could it be that i am also dependent on one of the combustion products, like maybe i am also a carbon monoxide junkie also or some other combustion product, i have tried other tobacco alkaloid replacement and with it my writing is legible, without it i can't recognize what i am writing as writing ( kind of a basket case i guess ) but still i need a cigarette every once in a while like 5 a day.. Is there any logic or theory concerning this?

Note: i have also used Passion Flower extract, it works somewhat at calming me down but at the VA i was a Librium and flexeril junkie so i may have wore out that avenue

another option/thought: maybe the reason that i smoked 40 cigarettes a day is because what i desire/need isn't in the cigarettes or only there in insufficient amounts, or is it that my brain is destroying it faster than it is being produced or obtained?

 

[LowThudd]

Try damiana? Mixing damiana with passion flower produces a very mellow effect. You can buy these as teas in most latin markets. The only other thing I can recomend is maybe a small dose of melatonin. Causes sleep, but I find it relaxes me when I am anxious.

 

[kinabaloo]

Try damiana? Mixing damiana with passion flower produces a very mellow effect. You can buy these as teas in most latin markets. The only other thing I can recomend is maybe a small dose of melatonin. Causes sleep, but I find it relaxes me when I am anxious.

While I agree that melatonin is good for aiding sleep, for that reason it is not really a good idea to be taken at other times of the day. Not only could it be dangerous to be even a little sedated when driving, crossing the road, operating machinery etc, but also could well disturb the natural cycle whereby melatonin is released by the body before and during sleep.

 

[Stubby]

jamesam1243: I toke to liberty to searching through your post on the smokeless section and it looks as if you have not tried snus. It looks as if you did get some stonewalls, though I don't know how that worked out for you. Snus will likely have a bigger kick of what you are looking for over the stonewalls.

 

[jiveman]

Only thing I've heard that may be the reason some of us continue to crave regular combustible tobacco despite getting the nicotine is the MAOIs in tobacco. This will decrease the break down of dopamine while nicotine increases dopamine levels.

This could explain why you still crave the analogs.

I think I have some issue with this, though raising my nicotine mg count in my ejuice did help a bit from keeping me from analogs.

Some days are rougher than others, like today I'm craving a regular cigarette because it was more convenient, but I know tomorrow I'll be glad I chose not to have one and continue to just vape.

 

[Katya]

Some days are rougher than others, like today I'm craving a regular cigarette because it was more convenient, but I know tomorrow I'll be glad I chose not to have one and continue to just vape.

Snus was made for days like that...

 

[W Axl Rose]

Snus is my FRIEND!

 

[TropicalBob]

Jamesam1234: Please do try snus, if you haven't already. I depend on snus for nicotine (e-cigs for habit). There is a pleasant tasting, inexpensive dry snus portion called Fellini mint that I would suggest starting with. It has 8mg of nicotine and should steady your blood nicotine level to that of an average smoker of light cigarettes.

For me, I rotate snus and Java Stonewall dissolvables, while using the e-cig frequently as a placebo crutch. Yes, I use 36mg e-liquid; no, it does not deliver needed nicotine. Snus does. Try it.

 

[jamesam1243]

i know nothing about snus or how to obtain it, isn't the PACT-Act in effect?

Also I find that swishing around 3 drops of Tasty Vapor's Tobacco Doubler 0mg in my mouth steadies my hand so that my illegible handwriting is legible. This is the only real effect that i can verify using all this stuff .

James

July 30 smoked 07 cigs, 33 less than my usual 40 cigs a day 3057 cigarettes not smoked in 88 days by using Stonewall, Joye 510, Hello 016, Ken's BoxMod, MadVapes 2xAA Box Mod, WetBox Vaporizer (ecig) and 19 bottles of ejuice partially used , $0.28 per cig X 3057 Cigs = $855.96 diverted from cigarettes to Vaporizer (ecig). OMG I have spent over $1671.51 in 74 days on this stuff but bare in mind that my old cigarette cost was $330 a month and i have $790 in supplies so $880 in hardware and consumed ejuice

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Here's a good place to start: Get Snus at GetSnus.com. The US based online snus store. A good mix of available snus. Snus works by giving us back the crave-calming effects of a smoke. It's fairly cheap, safe to use and made all the difference for many to finally close the door on cigarettes. I was a nicotine monster with a PV and couldn't quench the craving until I tried Swedish snus. It works. The biggest drawback is the shipping cost, so don't order just 1 can. They charge the same price to ship one 24 gram can as they do ten 24 gram cans. Do some research on the Smokeless sub-forum, ask some folks about different kinds and maybe you'll have enough info to put together a multi-can trial order to save some moola.

 

[DVap]

Hey TV... was wondering where you'd gotten off to!

Fair to say that TV was going quite literally crazy without his cigarettes until he started on the snus! He's still crazy, but now it's the good kind of crazy!

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Hey TV... was wondering where you'd gotten off to!

Fair to say that TV was going quite literally crazy without his cigarettes until he started on the snus! He's still crazy, but now it's the good kind of crazy!

I don't know about good, but it works for all occasions .

 

[TropicalBob]

James, PACT only stopped the U.S. postal service from delivering snus. Other delivery services will deliver to you -- at a greatly increased cost.

 

[T0xXx1k]

It's fairly cheap, safe to use ...

i'm confused on how it is "safe"? please don't take offense to this comment i'm just confused. it is still tobacco correct? (i dont know much about it) two big companies make it for sale in the usa as far as i know. i don't know if theres a difference between us and swedish. i tried one us brand because i got a free tin as part of a promotion (when i still smoked, they gave a free tin of your choice to anyone who bought a pack of the same brand smokes) and i went with a friend to a focus group for another brand where we were able to try all the varieties they made and of course got paid a few bucks plus a free box of our choosing.
all the packages had in huge print 1 of 2 sg warnings "this is NOT an alternative to smoking" or "using this product is known to cause mouth and/or throat cancer"
i'm not trying to jump to an uninformed conclusion. just trying to figure out if this is just a liability thing or if depending on where its made has a factor in its safety or what the product is entirely or what?
i mean it is still tobacco right

 

[Stubby]

i'm confused on how it is "safe"? please don't take offense to this comment i'm just confused. it is still tobacco correct? (i dont know much about it) two big companies make it for sale in the usa as far as i know. i don't know if theres a difference between us and swedish. i tried one us brand because i got a free tin as part of a promotion (when i still smoked, they gave a free tin of your choice to anyone who bought a pack of the same brand smokes) and i went with a friend to a focus group for another brand where we were able to try all the varieties they made and of course got paid a few bucks plus a free box of our choosing.
all the packages had in huge print 1 of 2 sg warnings "this is NOT an alternative to smoking" or "using this product is known to cause mouth and/or throat cancer"
i'm not trying to jump to an uninformed conclusion. just trying to figure out if this is just a liability thing or if depending on where its made has a factor in its safety or what the product is entirely or what?
i mean it is still tobacco right

Its tobacco but tobacco is not all that harmful.... at least compared to cigarettes. It's burning tobacco that causes the vast majority of harm and especially inhaling smoke. Studies from Sweden have shown that Swedish snus is at least 98% less harmful then smoking. And those are long term studies going back to the 60's.

The warnings are mandated by the government and have no meaning in the real world. It may not be a safe alternative to smoking but it is orders of magnitude safer.

If you do get interested in snus the Swedish snus is much superior then the US made snus. For the most part it's not the sweet type but on the salty side. A much better nicotine hit then camel or Marlboro.

 

[jamesam1243]

what i find odd after spending $2000 on ecigs, etc is that for me that Geoff's TV tobacco doubler 0 mg placed on tongue ( 3 drops ) works as well or better than any thing else i've tried to suppress my urge for cigarettes , except for cigarettes themselves, snus, and extract of macerated cigarette butts ( Not Advised )

James

August 03 smoked 00 cigs, 40 less than my usual 40 cigs a day 3198 cigarettes not smoked in 92 days by using Stonewall, Joye 510, Hello 016, Ken's BoxMod, MadVapes 2xAA Box Mod, WetBox Vaporizer (ecig) and 19 bottles of ejuice partially used , $0.28 per cig X 3198 Cigs = $895.44 diverted from cigarettes to Vaporizer (ecig). OMG I have spent over $2025.59 in 92 days on this stuff but bare in mind that my old cigarette cost was $330 a month, using snus right now ( General White Portion Mint )

 

[jamesam1243]

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James

August 05 smoked 00 cigs, 40 less than my usual 40 cigs a day 3278 cigarettes not smoked in 94 days by using Stonewall, Joye 510, Hello 016, Ken's BoxMod, MadVapes 2xAA Box Mod, WetBox Vaporizer (ecig) and 19 bottles of ejuice partially used , $0.28 per cig X 3278 Cigs = $917.84 diverted from cigarettes to Vaporizer (ecig). OMG I have spent over $2025.59 in 92 days on this stuff but bare in mind that my old cigarette cost was $330 a month, using snus + PV right now ( General White Portion Mint )

 

[Timberwear]

Possibly reasons for "whats missing", -other- than WTA's.

- Smoking a cigarette provides a sort of "shield" around you...where others are less likely to bother you. Its very smelly, the smoke lingers... People are less likely to try to talk to you probably... its your own little bubble. A time to think and be alone, sometimes even amidst a large crowd, or even in a social circle. Vaping doesn't seem to have much of this "shield" effect... you know? I just started vaping yesterday but it seems this way. Maybe because the vapor isn't as strong... you can't blow it out as much to create a shot of smoke that establishes space. It has no smell really.

- The alchemical FIRE. a cigarette is on FIRE. there might be some actual magic we simply can't explain from science when you put fire to the tobacco plant. Maybe it releases the spirit of the plant. Isn't that what the indians believed? Something about the great spirit of tobacco... and when you light it on fire its released. It goes into your lungs, it stays around you, it becomes part of you, it helps form a shield... the spirit invades your space.

- intoxication. A level of intoxication from simply burning a plant and the dulling down of your senses and spirit.

- B vitamins. supposedly tobacco has one of the highest b vitamins of any plant...which might get converted into your body.


Vaping would only provide the hand to mouth, the breathing ritual, and the nicotine (if that even does anything, since I've started vaping I've noticed pretty much no effect from the nicotine). Maybe it would still work as a social cue to create space, but doesn't feel like that to me much.

And if there is anything to the alchemical fire, and the spiritual aspect of smoking tobacco... obviously we aren't getting that.

 

[jamesam1243]

TropicalBob

tried snus and it worked ok from August 02 to August 08, then i got a sore that is being painfully irritated when i use stonewall and i have a sharp tooth that is not helping things at all. just my run of bad luck i guess.

my failed "only ecigs" experiment lasted 3 weeks before failing

my failed "only Stonewall" experiment lasted 8 days before failing

my failed "only snus" experiment started August 02 was cancelled after 4 days (sore on cheek)

my current experiment with:

6ML Lung Juice Samplers - 5-Pack

Items
Qty Item # Description Price Each Total
1 Lung Samplers Pack 6ML Lung Juice Samplers - 5-Pack

$22.00 $22.00
Subtotal: $22.00
Less Coupon saveinnj: ($2.20)
Subtotal: $19.80
Tax: $0.00
Shipping (Standard) & Handling: $7.00
Total: $26.80
Balance Due: $26.80

i have been using this for only 30 hours so far but when i get an urge the lung juice satisfies it and i do not get that "something's missing feeling" and no subconscious "don't hand me that crap, i want a real cigarette" reflex, but then most anything with any nicotine will work for over 24 hours if you really want it to, but be it 24 hours or 4 weeks and the magic of belief in Tinkerbell wears thin and my subconscious seems to say "i may be blind and very slow to catch onto tricks but i am not entirely stupid" and reality sets in. i hate that when it happens! i prefer my fantasies over reality any day.

but thanks for all your suggestions. i try most of them but do not have an 801

James

August 09 smoked 00 cigs, 40 less than my usual 40 cigs a day 3435 cigarettes not smoked in 97 days by using Stonewall, Joye 510, Hello 016, Ken's BoxMod, MadVapes 2xAA Box Mod, WetBox Vaporizer (ecig) and 19 bottles of ejuice partially used , $0.28 per cig X 3435 Cigs = $961.80 diverted from cigarettes to Vaporizer (ecig). OMG I have spent over $2025.59 in 92 days on this stuff but bare in mind that i have 3 months worth of supplies and my old cigarette cost was $330 a month, using snus + PV + Stonewall right now

 

[kinabaloo]

Possibly reasons for "whats missing", -other- than WTA's.

- Smoking a cigarette provides a sort of "shield" around you...where others are less likely to bother you. Its very smelly, the smoke lingers... People are less likely to try to talk to you probably... its your own little bubble. A time to think and be alone, sometimes even amidst a large crowd, or even in a social circle. Vaping doesn't seem to have much of this "shield" effect... you know? I just started vaping yesterday but it seems this way. Maybe because the vapor isn't as strong... you can't blow it out as much to create a shot of smoke that establishes space. It has no smell really.

- The alchemical FIRE. a cigarette is on FIRE. there might be some actual magic we simply can't explain from science when you put fire to the tobacco plant. Maybe it releases the spirit of the plant. Isn't that what the indians believed? Something about the great spirit of tobacco... and when you light it on fire its released. It goes into your lungs, it stays around you, it becomes part of you, it helps form a shield... the spirit invades your space.

- intoxication. A level of intoxication from simply burning a plant and the dulling down of your senses and spirit.

- B vitamins. supposedly tobacco has one of the highest b vitamins of any plant...which might get converted into your body.


Vaping would only provide the hand to mouth, the breathing ritual, and the nicotine (if that even does anything, since I've started vaping I've noticed pretty much no effect from the nicotine). Maybe it would still work as a social cue to create space, but doesn't feel like that to me much.

And if there is anything to the alchemical fire, and the spiritual aspect of smoking tobacco... obviously we aren't getting that.

Yes, fire was a key turning point in human culture/civilisation - giving protection and warmth, allowing cooking, disinfection, metal smelting ... it is surely deeply embedded in our subconcious