What's the appeal of Mech's and Dripper's?? I don't get it.

[treehead]

What's the appeal of Mechanical mod's and Dripper's????? I've got them, and don't think much of them. I much prefer my VW devices and tank systems (kayfun/Taifun/Aqua). I use one of 2 devices daily either a DNA20 Futura or my Semovar (15w) and think they are a much better option...

Even when I've built drippers in the .7 and .8 range (as low as my DNA20 will fire) comparing the vape from that dripper in a Nemesis with a VTC5 battery vs my DNA20, I personally think the vape is stronger, thicker from the DNA20...

The only real appeal I see to the Mech's is price, and then only the clones. The genuine stuff (while worth every penny I'm sure ) is just as much as a high end VW device.

Obviously I'm missing something, just curious what it is. ????

The short answer is, "Because you can do anything to your hearts desire!" . It all depends on your preferences, I personally like to get a dense, flavorful lungful of vapor off of a quick 1 second pull, and you usually can't do that unless you have a dripper and an unrestricted mechanical. Don't get me wrong the futura is a pretty sophisticated (compared to most mechanicals) device, but it only lets you go down to .5ohms (which isn't low at all to many). I have the futura DNA30 (hehe ), and I use it alot whenever I build BIG single coils, or even multiple, because it's basically a built in kick that can give you an extra oomph (only when using something like a dripper that won't burn up fast), I almost always max it out to 30watts. To be honest if you like ALOT of dense, flavorful vapor, then your wasting your time with RBA's, they simply can't wick fast enough compared to their simple RDA counterparts, because you control everything.

~And that's the other major selling point to us mechanical drippers, we're all DIY (tinkery) types of people, who like to be unrestricted, and basically control our own vape the way WE design it, not the manufacturer. If you don't like dripping on a mechanical, it's simply your fault for not building it right, with the right RDA with the same chamber as your kayfun, you can make it vape identically, better, or more mellow, YOU control your own vape basically. I personally love the idea of the GI2 VV/VW because it can do a max of 168 watts down to I think .2ohms, now THAT's a VV/VW that I can deal with. But it looks like an 80's cell-phone sooo.

If you've never tried a really low ohm coil (around .3 ohms at least, dual coil especially for me), then you honestly don't know what your missing out on. Take an instantly hot sub-ohm setup, add proper airflow to turn that heat into vapor, combine it with the superior wicking speed of RDA's (and remove the "safety" limitation from you VV/VW device), and finally add your favorite juice, I guarantee it'll blow your mind. Unless you don't like instant, billowing clouds of flavorful vapor of course. If you like a smaller amount of vapor, and waiting for you juice to wick in exchange for not having to put some drops in every now and then and the same/similar amount of flavor from an RDA, then RDA's definitely aren't for you. But with a tiny amount of effort and knowhow, you have much more versatility, and capability to achieve your vapors utopia.

I really don't think your futura is being used to it's full potential, I bet you don't go above 13 watts that often, personally my vamo v5 was enough for my russian 91%, any more and I'd be vaping cotton. (I like to chain vape pretty hard though.) I do understand the convenience of RBA's I really do, and the kayfun (off topic) straight up looks good as a topper, but trust me I'm so accustomed to the hearty mechanical/dripper vapor lifestyle now, that I can drip while I'm making dinner and I don't even realize it. If your an engineering type of mindset, and like to tinker/make things work for you the exact way you want them, then RDA's and mechanicals are for you. If you want an "advanced" self dripper, and something that does math for you, then do the RBA/VW setup.

It's all about what you like , I used to worship my aspire nautilus, and then gus Estia, because they were like rocket science to me at the time, I liked how they did everything for me, but they still had limitations, and usually went dry early, or flooded, and ended up taking just as much work as drippers do now. I can setup my RDA and mechanical how I want it in 5 minutes now though, and can vape on it for months and it will perform the same the whole time. I can even switch flavors by the minute if I want to. But too answer your question it's the freedom mechanicals and RDA's offer, you can set you rig up how you want it, without any design feature stopping you.

 

[treehead]

well right now im using a nemesis. i seen tests where its no more than .3. and yes thats on a fresh battery, i was just giving an example. regardless, you can get super high watts without using a gi2 by using a mech. i got a dual .25 ohm twisted 28g 5 wrap coil in my trident v2 clone right now on my nemesis and this is by far the best vape ive had so far in my vaping experience. this trident clone and the castle clone are the bees knees. if the zenith clone that ive been obsessing over beats these...ohhhh man im set for a while

The castle clone is the bees knees brother, and if your waiting to get a zenith, DO IT NOW is slick to say the least compared to the castle, especially the trident. Believe it or not there's an even better RDA than the Zenith V2 (for my tastes anyway), and it's the Dominator RDA. The flavor, density, and clouds off of it are effortless. I even won a cloud competition with it . (4mm dual airflow (and single) stock!, It's got a sweet conical half-circle deck too to keep about 20 drops in if you want to)

 

[treehead]

For me, it's the fact that mechs last forever. If people stop selling battery holders it won't matter, as a typical mech will probably outlast its owner.

rda--the taste, and the fact that they're perfect for people who like to tinker. You can change resistance/design anytime, along with flavors.

Same with diy juice, btw. You determine everything, from nicotine content to flavor, and can change it up whenever you want.

lol basically I'm a paranoid control-freak adhd tinkerer. Most people will rightly prefer regulated device+tanks+yummy juice sold online

I was going to say the same thing but didn't lol XD, I'm a perfectionist, OCD (when it comes to vaping only), a DIY kinda guys, and of course master of my universe .

 

[treehead]

I love my vv/vw devices just fine with my hassle free tanks, fill and go, everything displayed at my finger tips, changing settings as I change tanks and juices, I like the ability for variation on the fly.

That ability comes pretty hassle free now with tank designs and it's only going to get more advanced. I guess it depends on what you want, what your personality is and a million other nuances.

My friend set me up with a K100 mech, RBA and an RSST, they are still sitting, I have no motivation to get into that so I sit here with my MVP and Aero tank dual coil vaping some Murdock Maja Ras wondering if I ever will. Meh.

You do have to remember that the reason you like having the ability to change wattage/voltage is because you need to, if you threw an aero tank on a mechanical it would burst into flames almost immidiately because it takes longer to wick. Throw any RDA on a 22650 mechanical and it will do just fine, the wicking is almost instantaneous, and there's no need to turn up or down because the coils are always wet (if you drip properly) and producing whatever amount of vapor you want at any given time. No need to tip your device, do a primer pull, wait for it to resoak.

Check out the 3d dripper guys, it's an RDA which carries 3ml of juice below it, and allows you to "dunk" your coils in the reservoir, alot like a bottom feeder but more conveniently sized. It's 5x better than a genni, RBA, or cartomizer, and you still have that convenience.

 

[edyle]

You do have to remember that the reason you like having the ability to change wattage/voltage is because you need to, if you threw an aero tank on a mechanical it would burst into flames almost immidiately because it takes longer to wick. Throw any RDA on a 22650 mechanical and it will do just fine, the wicking is almost instantaneous, and there's no need to turn up or down because the coils are always wet (if you drip properly) and producing whatever amount of vapor you want at any given time. No need to tip your device, do a primer pull, wait for it to resoak.

Check out the 3d dripper guys, it's an RDA which carries 3ml of juice below it, and allows you to "dunk" your coils in the reservoir, alot like a bottom feeder but more conveniently sized. It's 5x better than a genni, RBA, or cartomizer, and you still have that convenience.

Oh this is revolutionary! This is a squish instead of a squonk!

Details:

It is a dripper with bottom feed. A 1.2mL capacity e-liquid reservoir has been integrated into the design which supplies the wick with e-liquid by pressing the top cap. The 3D offers all the benefits of a normal dripper without the need to manually re-saturate the wick with e-liquid every time it’s dry
•Tri-post design allows to be set up with single or double coil
•Adjustable airflow ring provides adequate ventilation for single or dual-coil builds
•Features a hybrid adapter that allows it to fit flawlessly with the Nemesis Mod (just take off the cap of the Nemesis Mod and screw this atomizer directly on the mod so it gives a Hybrid look)
•Silver plated contact
•Coil unassembled
•Laser engraved 3D emblem on the body
•Random serial number
•Compatible Nemesis Mod SKU: 1448300, 1493800, 1645500, 1645501, 1645502, 1645503, 1645504, 1645505, 1645506, 1649200, 1568200
Please note: This is NOT compatible with 69 SS Mod (SKU1561100)

And designed to optionally fit in hybrid mode bypassing the 510 connection:

 

[Giraut]

Mechs: for mod manufacturers who are talented in metalworking, woodworking, carving and whatnot but can't do electronics if their lives depended on it. Also for vapers who haven't tried a proper regulated power supply, for fashionistas, and for the manufacturers who cater to them because there's a market for dangerous, turn-of-the-previous-century technology.

Dripping: unfortunately, the best tasting vape. I say unfortunately because dripping is a pain in the ..... Some forms of dripping are semi-automated (bottom- or top-feeding) but they're still too much work for my taste.

 

[edyle]

Mechs: for mod manufacturers who are talented in metalworking, woodworking, carving and whatnot but can't do electronics if their lives depended on it. Also for vapers who haven't tried a proper regulated power supply, for fashionistas, and for the manufacturers who cater to them because there's a market for dangerous, turn-of-the-previous-century technology.

Dripping: unfortunately, the best tasting vape. I say unfortunately because dripping is a pain in the ..... Some forms of dripping are semi-automated (bottom- or top-feeding) but they're still too much work for my taste.

I just came across this today: you squish instead of squonk

 

[KerryK]

You do have to remember that the reason you like having the ability to change wattage/voltage is because you need to, if you threw an aero tank on a mechanical it would burst into flames almost immidiately because it takes longer to wick. Throw any RDA on a 22650 mechanical and it will do just fine, the wicking is almost instantaneous, and there's no need to turn up or down because the coils are always wet (if you drip properly) and producing whatever amount of vapor you want at any given time. No need to tip your device, do a primer pull, wait for it to resoak.

Check out the 3d dripper guys, it's an RDA which carries 3ml of juice below it, and allows you to "dunk" your coils in the reservoir, alot like a bottom feeder but more conveniently sized. It's 5x better than a genni, RBA, or cartomizer, and you still have that convenience.

The Aero is a bottom coil tank, always wet, built in airflow control valve to adjust air intake. I don't have to adjust volts for "wick time" with any of my set ups unless I am really huffing on them.

I adjust VV/VW not out of any necessity but out of taste preferences depending on the set up I have on my device. I like different juices at different PG/VG ratios and different ohms. My variable devices give me more "fine tuning" to find the sweet spot on each set up.

This is by no means any reflection on Mechs just my personal preference. I also like knowing how much battery life I have left, what my ohm reading is, what my puff counter is at etc..

 

[WattWick]

You do have to remember that the reason you like having the ability to change wattage/voltage is because you need to, if you threw an aero tank on a mechanical it would burst into flames almost immidiately because it takes longer to wick. Throw any RDA on a 22650 mechanical and it will do just fine, the wicking is almost instantaneous, and there's no need to turn up or down because the coils are always wet (if you drip properly) and producing whatever amount of vapor you want at any given time. No need to tip your device, do a primer pull, wait for it to resoak.

Check out the 3d dripper guys, it's an RDA which carries 3ml of juice below it, and allows you to "dunk" your coils in the reservoir, alot like a bottom feeder but more conveniently sized. It's 5x better than a genni, RBA, or cartomizer, and you still have that convenience.

Weeeeellll...

I do like the 3D, but it has its quirks. It's a dripper with a tank. Main con is that is has the flaws of both a dripper and a tank while not really offering the convenience of either. It does have a tank, but you still have to vape the deck bone dry to keep it from leaking. It is a dripper, yet you have to pick it all apart, coils and all, to clean it out to change flavors.

As a single-flavor at-home atty, it's great. It won't replace any of my other setups. I just see it as a nice addition. For me it doesn't really answer the question "Why not just use a gennie... or a dripper?"

 

[Giraut]

As a single-flavor at-home atty, it's great. It won't replace any of my other setups. I just see it as a nice addition. For me it doesn't really answer the question "Why not just use a gennie... or a dripper?"

You have to admit, the novelty factor is phenomenal. And I'm saying this in a positive, not sarcastic way.

 

[bluecat]

Well that certain *would not* be unique to a mech; most mods you would have to remove batteries to charge;

on the other hand, a mech is actually the type of mod you can charge the battery with a 510 usb charger I guess; not sure I'd try it but yeah; you can't charge a battery inside a vamo or other such regulated mod by just screwing it into the regular ego battery charger, because of the electronics on the mod, but you can do it with a mech.

I'm thinking you have in mind a passthrough.

Nah. Don't want to suck on anything plugged into the wall.

I think the Joytech T device or something allowed either or (charging from a 510 connection or taking the battery out and charging). I have never tried charging my mechs from a 510 connector and do not plan on testing it anytime soon.

My thoughts were more on the lines of an MVP and pen type batteries. Yes I realize it is effectively the same thing. I just hate charging batteries.

 

[bluecat]

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be all that hard to make a mechanical do this.
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Or you could convert these (they even take 18650 batteries).
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Or get real with it and convert this bad boy.
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Maurice

Yeah. Or I could build my own. Thing is I do not want to. I liked the convenience of lighting up a smoke. I am not one an OCD vapor that has to have everything lined up to a T. My coil doesn't have to be the latest micro nano dragon diamond home run figure 8 twister coil.

I want ease.

 

[WattWick]

You have to admit, the novelty factor is phenomenal. And I'm saying this in a positive, not sarcastic way.

Oh yes! One of the reasons I got one

It's a strange one for sure. And not in a bad way. My post may have come off too much on the negative side. Was just trying to offer some counterbalance to it being "5x better than (pretty much anything else) ".

 

[edyle]

Weeeeellll...

I do like the 3D, but it has its quirks. It's a dripper with a tank. Main con is that is has the flaws of both a dripper and a tank while not really offering the convenience of either. It does have a tank, but you still have to vape the deck bone dry to keep it from leaking. It is a dripper, yet you have to pick it all apart, coils and all, to clean it out to change flavors.

As a single-flavor at-home atty, it's great. It won't replace any of my other setups. I just see it as a nice addition. For me it doesn't really answer the question "Why not just use a gennie... or a dripper?"

It's a bottom feeder; it leaks down into the tank. There is no "leak" problem .

It's a kind of plunger action; there's a spring in the tank itself, and you pluge the deck downwards into the tank, and your juice shoots up onto the deck. the deck rises back up because of the spring and extra juice 'leaks' back down to the tank.

Technically, it's a topcoil, like a geni but theres' no wick going down to the tank.

 

[treehead]

Oh this is revolutionary! This is a squish instead of a squonk!

And designed to optionally fit in hybrid mode bypassing the 510 connection:

Lol I like that. squish will replace the squonk soon enough .

I think it's pretty underrated, I don't think many knew about them because they were rare, and people were turned off by the lame 3d logo. But my brother has one of the many clones and it's pretty neat. It can flood a little sometimes if tipped funny, but all you have to do is give it a half dunk and it sucks the rest out. Makes a little wet fart noise, it's kinda funny. Maybe that's why they never got big lol.

 

[treehead]

micro nano dragon diamond home run figure 8 twister coil.

That made me chuckle. Yeah that doesn't sound very convenient.

 

[WattWick]

It's a bottom feeder; it leaks down into the tank. There is no "leak" problem .

It's a kind of plunger action; there's a spring in the tank itself, and you pluge the deck downwards into the tank, and your juice shoots up onto the deck. the deck rises back up because of the spring and extra juice 'leaks' back down to the tank.

Technically, it's a topcoil, like a geni but theres' no wick going down to the tank.

That's the plan. What the designer envisioned and the PR department sold. Except... it's not really how it works in practice. Especially not if you run it stock; with the funnel tube metal thingy in the deck hole. It floods the deck and sucks some liquid back down. It doesn't really leak any more than that down to the tank. Unless you angle it right and wait a very long time. Even with the funnel thingy removed, liquid won't easily make its way back into the tank. Liquid blocking air from coming out; air blocking liquid from going in.

"like e geni but there's no wick going down to the tank" is a pretty accurate description.

I'm not at all calling it bad. I think it's strange and somewhat silly. But what makes it so lovely is that it's strange and somewhat silly, yet still works really well

 

[edyle]

Lol I like that. squish will replace the squonk soon enough .

I think it's pretty underrated, I don't think many knew about them because they were rare, and people were turned off by the lame 3d logo. But my brother has one of the many clones and it's pretty neat. It can flood a little sometimes if tipped funny, but all you have to do is give it a half dunk and it sucks the rest out. Makes a little wet fart noise, it's kinda funny. Maybe that's why they never got big lol.

lol

oh yeah that explains it.

 

[treehead]

The Aero is a bottom coil tank, always wet, built in airflow control valve to adjust air intake. I don't have to adjust volts for "wick time" with any of my set ups unless I am really huffing on them.

I adjust VV/VW not out of any necessity but out of taste preferences depending on the set up I have on my device. I like different juices at different PG/VG ratios and different ohms. My variable devices give me more "fine tuning" to find the sweet spot on each set up.

This is by no means any reflection on Mechs just my personal preference. I also like knowing how much battery life I have left, what my ohm reading is, what my puff counter is at etc..

Yeah I hear ya, I definitely like having all my data in front of me too. My dream mod is pretty much an unrestricted (Well I never go lower than 0.1ohms so I'd say that's a good stopping point ) 22650 VV/VW with a small hd-touchscreen (like an ipod-nano would be sweeet, that gives me an idea...) that will read ohms, battery-life, volts/watts in .1 increments, and even amps/current in real time would be the bee's knee's. One day, we'll have that plus puff-counters, temperature of your topper & battery, estimated life remaining of your coils & wick, a dry hit/moisture sensor, maybe even a smart system that makes adjustments according to your juice thickness and what wattage you normally like. (not being sarcastic by the way, I'd absolutely love a dna30, but only without the limit of low ohms, I don't know why, but I'm not satisfied unless I'm below .8-.7 usually.

~Sorry I misunderstood, I've never owned a kanger but I was just comparing my experience to your situation, it could be miles different. No hate here brother . I had aspires when I got into vaping, I first got an Aspire ET-S, went a little bigger to the vivi-nova-s, and finally the big-boy the Aspire Nautilus (I still use her when I'm really pre-occupied like snowboarding, rock-climbing, in a movie theatre etc.) which frankly is just as good as any genni or RBA I've tried so far (it beats my russian 91%, and comes really close to the prometheus genny.), best tank I've ever used. Those were all bdcc's (dual bottom coil's the way to go!), but I still remember my magic number for all of them was 3.7volts (nearly 8 watts since they were 1.8ohm pre-builts), that was my sweet spot for sure, probably because I did really harp on them. I wasn't huffing them, but moderately chain-vaping for half hour bursts, probably taking a puff every 20 seconds. If I went above 3.7V on either of the 3 (before I rebuilt the coils on my nautilus, and wicked it with cotton, made it even more awesome) it would slowly start to roast it's flavor away, and would get closer to burning the juice with every chain-vape. Then I'd cover the airhole, or make it tighter on the nautilus and just suck some juice down in'er. I was always chasing the wicking that's why I mentioned that, maybe kangers wick alot faster, but I was always trying to get more vapor while at the same time trying to avoid that caramelized taste. It sounds alot worse than it was the way I wrote it, it wasn't charred or anything, it just changed the flavor, it definitely got too hot and too dry with the speed I was vaping it at. That's what eventually led me to dripping, now I don't wait, I just dump my juice right where I want it. Although my rebuilt nautilus is awesome while watching a movie I don't want to take my eyes off of, and for some juices it makes the flavors more compact, a little stronger that my RBA's.

~I have the Tatroe T1 on pre-order and it's being shipped this week! I'm really hoping it's a dripper with a tank on top like I'm imagining. I thought the T1 was going to change the vaping world when it came out but most people don't even know what it is lol.

Tatroe T1 RDTA 5 pack

 

[edyle]

Yeah I hear ya, I definitely like having all my data in front of me too. My dream mod is pretty much an unrestricted (Well I never go lower than 0.1ohms so I'd say that's a good stopping point ) 22650 VV/VW with a small hd-touchscreen (like an ipod-nano would be sweeet, that gives me an idea...) that will read ohms, battery-life, volts/watts in .1 increments, and even amps/current in real time would be the bee's knee's. One day, we'll have that plus puff-counters, temperature of your topper & battery, estimated life remaining of your coils & wick, a dry hit/moisture sensor, maybe even a smart system that makes adjustments according to your juice thickness and what wattage you normally like. (not being sarcastic by the way, I'd absolutely love a dna30, but only without the limit of low ohms, I don't know why, but I'm not satisfied unless I'm below .8-.7 usually.

I am reminded of the EVIC.
You can configure it from your computer; I guess you can probably do it from your smartphone too maybe.
Pretty sure you can give your evic a software upgrade too.

there's a newer one to the evic too - the ecom but I don't remember if it has those features also

=edit=
the emode; has mvr software you can set up the emode on your computer.
you can set a profile to for the voltage to vary while you are taking a drag. A simple attempt at temperature control.