Whats this about the LavaTube not going up to a true 6 volts under load?

[John Phoenix]

after a hour or two most people cant get more then 5.3 when its set at 6v. A .7v difference IS a big deal.

I wanna ask those who have used the LT for a while and have a meter, how true this is.

It seems to me if the LT really performed that badly we would have tons of threads about it and the companies that sell them (at least the 10 or so English speaking companies we know of that sell them) would stop selling them until this problem was fixed.

I cannot see the above really being true as stated.

 

[Fazed]

I wanna ask those who have used the LT for a while and have a meter, how true this is.

It seems to me if the LT really performed that badly we would have tons of threads about it and the companies that sell them (at least the 10 or so English speaking companies we know of that sell them) would stop selling them until this problem was fixed.

I cannot see the above really being true.

I specifically purchased a meter to test, what I knew I was experiencing while vaping on it. Namely, decreased performance. I did my video review demonstrating it. Can't really argue with the numbers.

Maybe you don't see too many people saying it because for most, I think (my opinion), this is an entry level VV device.

From what I've read on the forums, most LT buyers have never used a VV device before, have no expectations other than it should be better than the eGo they already own, and no means to test it like I did. How many people know that you could buy a voltage meter with 510 connections? I had to ask (see my thread history) because I had seen them, but thought most people made them themselves.

That being said, you can't argue with the numbers. Performance dies concurrently with battery drain.

The question to ask oneself... Does it matter to you? If you like 6v vaping then the answer is yes, it will matter. If you like to keep your vape at 5v and below probably not a big deal for you. I even showed in my review that at 4.7v setting on a mostly drained battery still read 4.8v output. The max output at that battery level (3.5v remaining) was 5.3v.


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[Keeno]

My LT is on the way and I will be putting it on my meter and giving it a thorough run thru as well as documenting all my results and will share the results with ya. It would be beneficial to hear from others who have tested on their findings as well.

 

[John Phoenix]

Thanks again Fazed. Keeno looking forward to your findings.

I wanna try to establish that this is not a fluke but is constant with all lavatubes across the board or not.

Technical specs say,

"Selectable voltage from 3v to 6v in 0.1v increments" and "Regulated output which keeps the voltage the same with each puff - regardless of the remaining battery power. As the battery drains, the device will keep the voltage consistent".

If this is not really the case then not only is that false advertising which is illegal in the US, but shows that the manufacturer needs to fix a serious issue to bring the units up to specs. It also reflects badly on all companies selling this unit.

If selling the unit by false advertising from the manufacturer is a crime, then all companies selling the unit for the manufacturer are accessories to a crime. A very large class action lawsuit could be brought to bear on all companies who sell them as well as the manufacturer. There are enough of these being sold that these companies should be really worried.

If threatening this type of action is what it takes in the long run to fix this unit (after hundreds or thousands of people complained), then that will be a good thing for e-cig consumers down the road.

Hopefully this is not happening across the board. If it is, hopefully the manufacturer will fix the units quickly.

I plan to use my unit to vape anywhere from 5 volts to 5.5 volts and have this power last until the battery is low enough to trigger the cut off circuit. Something tells me I should invest in a meter.

 

[Keeno]

Pick a meter up John. There not terribly expensive....I ordered mine from cloudsofvapor. I think you'll be putting it to some good use now and in the future...

 

[jonny2hottie]

 

[araczynski]

If this is not really the case then not only is that false advertising which is illegal in the US, but shows that the manufacturer needs to fix a serious issue to bring the units up to specs. It also reflects badly on all companies selling this unit.

If selling the unit by false advertising from the manufacturer is a crime, then all companies selling the unit for the manufacturer are accessories to a crime. A very large class action lawsuit could be brought to bear on all companies who sell them as well as the manufacturer. There are enough of these being sold that these companies should be really worried.

not that i'm a lawyer, but i do pretend to play one from time to time... isn't the lavatube/volcano manufactured/sold by some company not in the US? i.e. who wouldn't give a squirt about any filings here in the US? outside from the loss of a potential market due to US resellers dumping them?

as far as i know the resellers aren't making any claims, other than stating what the manufacturer's claims are. unless of course they're intentionally distorting the manufacturer's claims somehow.

last i checked you can't sue walmart/bestuby/target/etc for selling RROD xbox 360's since they don't manufacture them or advertise them in any way that is outside of what the official documents state about them.

then again, i am pulling that out of my hiny.

 

[Fazed]

I'm surprised that Grimm didn't have a comment when he tested it a 6v and it read 5.5v under load with a 3 ohm carto. But it seems my findings are reproducible with other units. I would be curious to know what voltage his battery had remaining on it when he shot his video.


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[Creniker]

Thanks again Fazed. Keeno looking forward to your findings.

I wanna try to establish that this is not a fluke but is constant with all lavatubes across the board or not.

Technical specs say,

"Selectable voltage from 3v to 6v in 0.1v increments" and "Regulated output which keeps the voltage the same with each puff - regardless of the remaining battery power. As the battery drains, the device will keep the voltage consistent".

If this is not really the case then not only is that false advertising which is illegal in the US, but shows that the manufacturer needs to fix a serious issue to bring the units up to specs. It also reflects badly on all companies selling this unit.

If selling the unit by false advertising from the manufacturer is a crime, then all companies selling the unit for the manufacturer are accessories to a crime. A very large class action lawsuit could be brought to bear on all companies who sell them as well as the manufacturer. There are enough of these being sold that these companies should be really worried.

If threatening this type of action is what it takes in the long run to fix this unit (after hundreds or thousands of people complained), then that will be a good thing for e-cig consumers down the road.

Hopefully this is not happening across the board. If it is, hopefully the manufacturer will fix the units quickly.

I plan to use my unit to vape anywhere from 5 volts to 5.5 volts and have this power last until the battery is low enough to trigger the cut off circuit. Something tells me I should invest in a meter.

How many people get away with false advertising. Almost all of them. What daydream world do you live in where things work as they should. Arn't you a vapor?
Do you here about ce2 being sued? E-power? I could go on, but theres no point in arguing anymore.

Though the e-power is a perfect example of something that would "blow the competition away" and had so many problems it was like watching a car crash. Sure people use them and like them, but man does that unit not work as advertised.

 

[woooozzaa]

Out of curiosity, what do people vape at 6V? I have 510 atties, 306s, kangers, boges , smoktech DCs all ranging from 1.5 to 3.0ohms and anything above 5V just seems overkill to me. Either burnt or dry taste. I keep my LT around 4.5 to 4.8V all day and can't seem to tell any difference in performance drop even down at 3.5v left on the cell at the end of the day . Not actually trying to argue the numbers, just wondering if I'm missing on a cart/atty that rocks at 6V I don't know about.

 

[Fazed]

I used to have an apex alpha UltraMax that I used at 6v with HV5 attys. I liked it. Still have the attys, but haven't tried them on the LT yet.


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[woooozzaa]

I used to have an apex alpha UltraMax that I used at 6v with HV5 attys. I liked it. Still have the attys, but haven't tried them on the LT yet.

Does HV5 = 5ohms? Sounds like you need to whip out the multimeter and camera again . I'm wondering if the screw on multimeters have a resistance of there own too, I think I recall Scott (igetcha69) testing these with an actual MM and having more accurate readings. I could be wrong, then again this issue doesn't really bother me I just like watching videos.

 

[John Phoenix]

I think Grimm Green is making way too much of an issue on the LR thing. It even says in the specs

" Short Circuit/Atomizer Protection. The LAVATUBE can recognize an atomizer with too low of a resistance for the current voltage setting and will drop the voltage to 3.7v to protect both the battery and atomizer. If the atomizer is too low or shorted out it will shut off power to the device to protect the LAVATUBE from being damaged."

It is possible they did not have that info up at the time Grimm Green made that video.

If you use an LR, there is no good reason to try to vape it above 3.7 anyway so the point is moot.

I personally do not use LR or dual coils, so as long as this thing works for high voltage it should be fine for me.

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The lawsuit stuff I was just speculating about. Throwing out what I feel could happen. I'm not lawyer either but read a lot. The companies in China are pretty much untouchable but the US companies can have problems. I don't think the US company has to modify the original manufacturers specs or advertising to be at fault. I think the law looks at it as it's the US companies responsibility to know if the product they are reselling works or not according to the advertising - no matter where that advertising came from.

Creniker, your right. People do get away with false advertising. That does not mean the letter of the law is made non effect. If there is proof and you have a large enough suit to take the company to court and win, that company is in trouble. Many times big companies like GE can get away with it because no one has the money to go up against them and their teams of lawyers. That's not the case with small e-cig companies. If proven they had knowledge of the product not working as advertised and they still sold it, the court could eat them for lunch. At least that's my understanding.

 

[Fazed]

Does HV5 = 5ohms? Sounds like you need to whip out the multimeter and camera again

I'll consider it, but I don't think it will change anything. My 3ohm Boge's don't hit the amp limit of the device, so I don't really see the benefit to testing again with the HV5's.



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[Creniker]

Out of curiosity, what do people vape at 6V? I have 510 atties, 306s, kangers, boges , smoktech DCs all ranging from 1.5 to 3.0ohms and anything above 5V just seems overkill to me. Either burnt or dry taste. I keep my LT around 4.5 to 4.8V all day and can't seem to tell any difference in performance drop even down at 3.5v left on the cell at the end of the day . Not actually trying to argue the numbers, just wondering if I'm missing on a cart/atty that rocks at 6V I don't know about.

You know its funny. I used to look at it the same way. I'm vaping at 8.4v now on my megaladon with 2 18350 batteries, and a 4.5 ohm atomizer, which is 15 watts. But the vapor and flavor are really good, not burnt in the least. And I checked this atomizer with a multimeter, thats the actual ohms. I used to think no wayy, but now I'm like oh I see what your getting at.

 

[bobthesalesclerk]

Just to let everyone know none of these voltages are under load...imam going to run through it at. 2 volt increments and see what I get

3v - 2.97v
3.2v - 3.16v
3.4v - 3.37v
3.6v - 3.58v
3.8v - 3.82v
4.0v - 4.03v
4.2v - 4.25v
4.4v - 4.49v (this is where it starts to get wonky)
4.6v - 4.72v
4.8v - 4.97v
5.0v - 5.15v
5.2v - 5.41v
5.4v - 5.68v
5.6v - 5.89v
5.8v - 6.15v
6.0v - 6.14v


So my voltages aren't perfect. I needed a budget vv mod. This thing is staying indoors anyway once my alpha gets here. I like the lava tube but had a budget and for someone on a budget...even though this thing isn't perfect...it puts yummy vapor in my lungs

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[John Phoenix]

bobthesalesclerk

Just to clarify for those who may not understand. I assume the number column on the left is the voltage you set the unit to and the column on the right is what your meter says is the actual voltage, correct?

 

[woooozzaa]

bobthesalesclerk

Just to clarify for those who may not understand. I assume the number column on the left is the voltage you set the unit to and the column on the right is what your meter says is the actual voltage, correct?

I believe so, just watched Scott's video again and he notes the exact same thing. Voltages read a little higher before putting a load on.

Creniker, 8.4 really lol? I might end up trying that one day if my budget permits me.

 

[bobthesalesclerk]

bobthesalesclerk

Just to clarify for those who may not understand. I assume the number column on the left is the voltage you set the unit to and the column on the right is what your meter says is the actual voltage, correct?

Yep...you can't set the lava tube to 6.14 volts

But yeahsome ofthose read almost a half volt higher. Goodthing my all day vape is lower voltage. Will upgrade eventually but for now it works alrightfor me.

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[John Phoenix]

I have started a thread on the voltage drop issue on the Valcanoecig forums and so far, those who have replied have not found the voltage drop issues mentioned above. Some of these folks also own both Provari's and LavaTubes and they can find no large difference in voltage operation like some have seen here.

With the combined two threads and many people testing, hopefully this will be found to be a fluke.