Whats this about the LavaTube not going up to a true 6 volts under load?
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Thanks.
You sure want these Lavatubes to work for Some reason and want them to be Glitch Free don't you.
Just to let everyone know none of these voltages are under load...imam going to run through it at. 2 volt increments and see what I get
3v - 2.97v
3.2v - 3.16v
3.4v - 3.37v
3.6v - 3.58v
3.8v - 3.82v
4.0v - 4.03v
4.2v - 4.25v
4.4v - 4.49v (this is where it starts to get wonky)
4.6v - 4.72v
4.8v - 4.97v
5.0v - 5.15v
5.2v - 5.41v
5.4v - 5.68v
5.6v - 5.89v
5.8v - 6.15v
6.0v - 6.14v
So my voltages aren't perfect. I needed a budget vv mod. This thing is staying indoors anyway once my alpha gets here. I like the lava tube but had a budget and for someone on a budget...even though this thing isn't perfect...it puts yummy vapor in my lungs
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I'm thinking this happens because of the gauge of wires used in the build and the internal resistance those wires have is why the voltage drop. just my guess
FWIW John, I also tested the Provari using the same Cartos that I tested the LT with. Boge 3 ohm SR. It's all I use. Again, the Provari worked as advertised, the LT did not. Also consider the voltage drop increasing as the batteries discharged. I use the same AW IMR 18650 batteries in both devices. All conditions of the test were equal: the only variable was the device itself.
Not knowing what GrimmGreen used in his, or how discharged his battery was when he made his video, I noticed a .5v drop in his at 6v.
The inherent resistance (if any) in the meter didn't affect the Provari, so I assume it's negligible, or compensated by a superior boost circuit than the one found in the LT.
I'm not trying to pick on the LT, as I have been accused of by some people on here and elsewhere, I'm just stating that I feel my methodology is sound, and I stand by my results. The only way to increase the accuracy of my statements would be to test multiple units under the same conditions. I have no intention of purchasing multiple LT's to do that, but a greater n value would be more accurate than an n=1.
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Not knowing what GrimmGreen used in his, or how discharged his battery was when he made his video, I noticed a .5v drop in his at 6v.
The inherent resistance (if any) in the meter didn't affect the Provari, so I assume it's negligible, or compensated by a superior boost circuit than the one found in the LT.
I'm not trying to pick on the LT, as I have been accused of by some people on here and elsewhere, I'm just stating that I feel my methodology is sound, and I stand by my results. The only way to increase the accuracy of my statements would be to test multiple units under the same conditions. I have no intention of purchasing multiple LT's to do that, but a greater n value would be more accurate than an n=1.
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Of course, As advertised. Two things I cannot stand is advertising that does not correctly represent a product and a company that doesn't care if their falsely advertising or not. ( not saying this is the case here just on a fact finding mission)
I think the customers deserve to have these issues hammered out if found to be true. This is the least reasonable course of action that all companies should abide by. If I have to be the bulldog to go find out these facts because no one else is doing it, then I happily assume the role. I think all concerned will be better off for knowing the truth in the long run. It is my duty and responsibility as a concerned consumer to do this.
I understand those were your findings with your unit and your not posting just to bash the LT. You'll have no problem from me on that issue. I do appreciate all of the many observations different people find. I feel like if this is found to be a real problem across the board then the vendors should not sell the units until they are fixed or adjust the advertising. The company isn't going to give us this data. That's why I have asked people in this thread and the one at Volcanoecigs to report their findings. It's the only way we can get close to a reasonable sampling of how the majority of these units operate.
Are they testing wil a full battery? Because we established it will be very close to 6v if the batteries are fresh.
I asked them to report any noticed voltage drops and how long they had been using the battery in terms of hours when it happened. I tried to make clear that I heard this large voltage drop could happen after only one or two hours of use. After a few more replies if people are not mentioning the times I'll remind them, but so far they haven't noticed a problem.
It seems that my critique of their beloved Lavatube has ruffled some feathers over on the volcano forum.
In answer to the poster who commented on testing the carto resistance. I did that. It measured 3.1 ohms. I would post this over there, but I have no desire to be a member of that forum as well.
Also, if volcano's customer service motto is circle the wagons and unleash the fanboys, then that says a lot about that company.
It's sad, really, because I really wanted to like the Lavatube.
Oh well. I'm done. I stand by my review. The data speaks for itself. Believe it or don't. Buy a Lavatube or don't. I really don't care.
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In answer to the poster who commented on testing the carto resistance. I did that. It measured 3.1 ohms. I would post this over there, but I have no desire to be a member of that forum as well.
Also, if volcano's customer service motto is circle the wagons and unleash the fanboys, then that says a lot about that company.
It's sad, really, because I really wanted to like the Lavatube.
Oh well. I'm done. I stand by my review. The data speaks for itself. Believe it or don't. Buy a Lavatube or don't. I really don't care.
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I don't know if your review ruffled feathers really.. some of them understand that different people will get different results, some may not look at it so objectively and imagine bias where non exists. I think some have a hard time trying to understand how you could get your findings when they did not have the same experience. Perhaps it's possible your units came from a certain batch that were not made as well as theirs were. Perhaps the company changed something with newer units to try to fix problems reported during that pre-release run. I don't think we will ever know. I have heard they are working on improving the units so perhaps that's it.
I don't think they are unleashing the fanboys. These are just folks giving their opinions the best way they see it. These things are made in China and we all know QC is next to non existent over there. I believe we have to assume the quality is in a state of fluidity until we have enough data to make a better determination.
I have an electric bike and I have to get parts from China. It takes a while but you get to know what parts from what manufacturers are o.k. to order and what to run very fast away from. They have huge problems over there. No official government regulation or self regulation. It's more like a 3rd world country than a superpower.
Take heart and don't sweat the small stuff. All will work out in the end. Your findings are valid for you and in that are sound.
I actually noticed the same thing today, and here were my findings with the very 3.0ohn LavaTube atty they sell at Volcano:
3.7v Battery - 4.9v when set at 6.0v
4.2v Battery - 5.6v when set at 6.0v
I'm sure this is just mine, however it's only a month old, and I haven't damaged it in any way, and the AW IMR's I'm using are genuine from RTDVapor and Super-T. To be honest, I knew this going into it, and is the very reason I will be buying a Pro-Vari next week. The LavaTube will do nicely collecting dust until I need it for something/testing.
And in regards to the Volcano fanboys, they very much exist. Check out the Fake AW Battery thread on their forums, and you'll see my incessant requests of proof of their batteries being Li-Mn's. Within a week, BAM!, the owner jumps in saying they're unprotected 2200mAh Li-Ions, all the while Volcano Fanboys telling me I'm a "fear-monger" and I need to stop doing everything I can to hurt their reputation. I knew it would come to that, as it always does. It's the internet. In the end, I'm getting my AW's and that's all I cared about.
Just my 2 cents. If you'd like pics to show the LT sitting at 6v while pumping out 5.6 on a fresh battery and 4.9 under a mid-charge battery, I can provide them.
3.7v Battery - 4.9v when set at 6.0v
4.2v Battery - 5.6v when set at 6.0v
I'm sure this is just mine, however it's only a month old, and I haven't damaged it in any way, and the AW IMR's I'm using are genuine from RTDVapor and Super-T. To be honest, I knew this going into it, and is the very reason I will be buying a Pro-Vari next week. The LavaTube will do nicely collecting dust until I need it for something/testing.
And in regards to the Volcano fanboys, they very much exist. Check out the Fake AW Battery thread on their forums, and you'll see my incessant requests of proof of their batteries being Li-Mn's. Within a week, BAM!, the owner jumps in saying they're unprotected 2200mAh Li-Ions, all the while Volcano Fanboys telling me I'm a "fear-monger" and I need to stop doing everything I can to hurt their reputation. I knew it would come to that, as it always does. It's the internet. In the end, I'm getting my AW's and that's all I cared about.
Just my 2 cents. If you'd like pics to show the LT sitting at 6v while pumping out 5.6 on a fresh battery and 4.9 under a mid-charge battery, I can provide them.
Any reading on a "depleted" battery I can tolerate at or below .5 but your result is more than a bit much at 3.7. Once my battery gets that low I'll give you some results on my end....
Mine pushes out 5.8 set at 6.0 on a battery charge of 4.1 under load so I hear ya. Again, I'm fine with that BUT the issues seem to begin around 3.7 from what i've read.
Mine pushes out 5.8 set at 6.0 on a battery charge of 4.1 under load so I hear ya. Again, I'm fine with that BUT the issues seem to begin around 3.7 from what i've read.
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Im sure its NOT just yours. I've seen about 10 people show almost the exact same results, and I got the exact same thing with mine (though I didnt meter it, I felt the battery gradually die, just like in a 3.7v mod)
That regulators a piece. As is the product in question. A madvapes VV box holds voltage better then this thing.
Sounds like I may be swapping out my batteries quite often....better get me a couple more....lol
I actually bought 5 IMR's altogether, and will have 7 total once Volcano ships out my replacements, so I'm good on that front 
I figured for $69, the "somewhat" VV ability was worth it, and it very much is. I typically stay below 5.2v on all my atomizers and cartos, even the 3+ ohm ones, as it's just personal preference. The only thing I do not like is the build quality, and my "-" button has already gotten to the point where it has no tactile click anymore. I would rather buy a Pro-Vari and have the LT as a backup, more so than wanting to get a warranty replacement from Volcano. It's just the roll of the dice with all products, and Chinese mass-produced VV devices are no exception. It got me into the VV game, I liked it, and now I'm on to better things. My eGo was able to get me to quit analogs, and after getting the LT, I asked myself how I could even use that thing. I'm sure I will get the same realization once the Pro-Vari is in my hands.
I figured for $69, the "somewhat" VV ability was worth it, and it very much is. I typically stay below 5.2v on all my atomizers and cartos, even the 3+ ohm ones, as it's just personal preference. The only thing I do not like is the build quality, and my "-" button has already gotten to the point where it has no tactile click anymore. I would rather buy a Pro-Vari and have the LT as a backup, more so than wanting to get a warranty replacement from Volcano. It's just the roll of the dice with all products, and Chinese mass-produced VV devices are no exception. It got me into the VV game, I liked it, and now I'm on to better things. My eGo was able to get me to quit analogs, and after getting the LT, I asked myself how I could even use that thing. I'm sure I will get the same realization once the Pro-Vari is in my hands.
Honestly with mine I don't see a noticeable difference in vapor production, flavor, or throat hit until it is around 10-15 hits from being dead. My lava tube stays at 4.3 volts 90% of the time.
I do however notice a HUGE change in temp, throat hit, flavor, and vapor production for the first 5-10 hits after I put a fresh battery in. After those 5-10 hits I don't notice a major drop off until the battery is near dead.
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I do however notice a HUGE change in temp, throat hit, flavor, and vapor production for the first 5-10 hits after I put a fresh battery in. After those 5-10 hits I don't notice a major drop off until the battery is near dead.
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Well congrats on the Provari decision. I'm gonna hold off though I'd sure like one. I think I'm gonna hold off and I'll be ok with the LT for awhile and just gonna watch what Volcano comes up with next and just maybe at some point within my year warranty they'll come up with some better internals then I'll "pounce" with all my crazy documented numbers and get me a better one on Volcano...lol...wishful thinking perhaps but worth a try I'm thinking....
I will say I've had a slight issue with the fire button sticking randomly and the folks at the Volcano forum including the website administrator have been absolutely awesome....
I will say I've had a slight issue with the fire button sticking randomly and the folks at the Volcano forum including the website administrator have been absolutely awesome....
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That sounds like more than acceptable performance in my book.....pleased your enjoying yours as I am mine so far.....
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