What's under your lip/in your nose right now?

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Evenin' all . Just got back from heisting a new(er) office chair from one of the upper management dwelling places. They don't care to spend moola on us riff-raff in the slums so Sunday nights are shopping nights. I even got one with armrests, so comfy. I wonder how easily I can mount holsters.....

I agree about the insurance, hitt. Sucks mightily. I fully expect (demand) the Osamacare plan to be deemed treasonous and all cohorts imprisoned or stood before a firing squad, but there's no doubt serious changes need to be made. As much as I feel government regulation should be held at a minimum, healthcare needs the playing field leveled. We'll see if the new congress is worth their salt .

AllCo, my Husky (Koda) never met a human she didn't like. She's really, really bad news to any stray animals, but where people are concerned she has no loyalty to me. She looks so much like a wolf I can only hope she'd scare off a burgler 'cause the only way she'd detain one is by her constant demands for tummy rubs.

Workin' my .... imprint into my new chair with:

MFS 555 36mg
Folgers ES

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I like that, roth. This is actually what true economics is all about. Not just money, but all the numbers. I say this guy took a good, unbiased look.

"So, is old age always a virtue? Not according to Jonathan Swift, who writes of the Methuselah-like Struldbruggs, eternally enfeebled by the infirmities of age: "the Question therefore was not whether a Man would choose to be always in the Prime of Youth, attended with Prosperity and Health, but how he would pass a perpetual Life under all the usual
Disadvantages which old Age brings along with it."

That was always my argument. My doctor once told a mutual friend of mine, who was an 86 year old lifetime non-smoker with many physical ailments, if he lived long enough everything would eventually happen to him. Some wanna live as long as possible, but I don't think I could consider it living if I'm strapped in a wheelchair with dirty diapers.

 

[rothenbj]

TV, I tell my mother all the time that I don't want to live as long as her. She's close to 92 and in relatively good health, but not my idea of living. One thing I have to admire about her, she doesn't complain about here ailments. She just chugs along and worries about what would happen to her dog if she "kicked the bucket", her mother's favorite expression.

 

[jdg]

So, I was on vacation earlier this summer, and I ran out of charged batteries. I picked up a little box of the peppermint (I think) Marlboro snus, and I really liked it. Then I tried Camel's snus, and that was way better. I ended up giving up vaping and using only snus for about three months. It was great because I finally got to live without the smoking action, but I felt guilty about using tobacco again (not to mention the armies of people that tried to convince me my face was going to rot off--I mean they came out of the woodwork!). How do people feel snusing compares to vaping in terms of unhealthiness? Also, my suspicion all along was that Camel snus was probably the worst I could buy in terms of additives and such; was my paranoia unfounded?

 

[Stubby]

Short answer is yes your fears on unfounded. And yes as of yet the American snus is the bottom of the barrel. Swedish snus is much better. A good case could be made that snus is less harmful then e-cigs. There are no long range studies on e-cigs.... well okay.... they haven't been around to long..... which admittedly limits long range studies.... but still. All the studies on snus show that it has about 1% to 2% the risk of smoking. If there is a difference between e-cigs and snus it's splitting hairs. It's not tobacco that will get you.... it's the smoke. Oh.... and after 200 years of snus us in Sweden no connection has been found to any oral cancer..... so it appears you can keep your face.

Milk chocolate kisses

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Welcome to the Dark Side, jdg . Snusing is freedom, indeed. No fiddling, no baggage, no PV stuck to your face every waking moment. Around here folks run the gambit, from PV and snus; PV and snuff; PV, snus and snuff; snus and snuff; or just snus all by itself. And contrary to popular belief, smokeless 'baccy of any kind is a much healthier alternative to smokes. For all the horror stories we've heard about oral cancers, you're much more likely to become a statistic for the Association of Face Removal Patients using a cigarette. The safety margin is different depending on what smokeless products are used. American dip/chew are the harshest due to the added sugars that cause tooth decay and gum disease and, because of a cure process that makes the 'baccy ferment, it has higher levels of cancer causing TSNA's. The far end of the spectrum is Swedish snus, which has been used for over 200 years and has a slew of well documented studies showing the lack of health problems associated with use. It's regulated in Sweden as a food product and uses only natural flavors with no sugar. The only bad thing these studies show is it can be addicting because it has nicotine in it. For me, an addiction that doesn't have any other ill health effects is a win-win.
Marlboro and Camel SNUS is generally made in the same way as Swedish snus and should provide the same safety margin, but it's still suspect. Snus manufacturing is a highly guarded secret by all companies but as of the latest introductions from Camel, RJR has started using American 'baccy. Insiders say it cigarette 'baccy. The reason that would be a problem is that all American cigarette 'baccy is fermented. The TSNA levels are still very low but it makes shelf-life limited, since TSNA's rise continually with age. True Swedish snus is air or steam cured and TSNA's don't rise with age, making it as safe 2 years in storage as it was the day the factory spit it out. All in all, I'd say you'll never be in danger using Camel (as long as your stash stays reasonably fresh) and if it keeps you off smokes you can't go wrong. Ensuring others of its safety is hard, though. Too many anti's spreading mis-info and lies. When it comes to that, some of us have unbiased studies we can direct you to. Good luck and keep snusin' .

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Heck Stubby, I didn't notice ya walk in while I was writin' my book. I tried to keep it simple...really I did .

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Your laptop could be cooking your testicles - Health - Men's health - msnbc.com

Turns out that sitting with a computer on your lap will crank up the temperature of your nether regions, which could affect sperm quality.

A lap pad kept the computer cool and also made sure less heat was transmitted to the skin. But it didn't do much to cool the testicles, and might give "a false sense of security," according to Sheynkin.

"It doesn't matter what pad you use," he said. "You can put a pillow beneath your computer and it still won't protect you."

You guys think it's hot in here or is it just me?

Listening for sizzles with:

T-Bomb
Folgers ES

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Boy, what a surprise...

NYT: U.S. sells cheese but warns against eating it - Health - The New York Times - msnbc.com

Domino’s Pizza was hurting early last year. Domestic sales had fallen, and a survey of big pizza chain customers left the company tied for the worst tasting pies.

Then help arrived from an organization called Dairy Management. It teamed up with Domino’s to develop a new line of pizzas with 40 percent more cheese, and proceeded to devise and pay for a $12 million marketing campaign.

But as healthy as this pizza has been for Domino’s, one slice contains as much as two-thirds of a day’s maximum recommended amount of saturated fat, which has been linked to heart disease and is high in calories.

And Dairy Management, which has made cheese its cause, is not a private business consultant. It is a marketing creation of the United States Department of Agriculture — the same agency at the center of a federal anti-obesity drive that discourages over-consumption of some of the very foods Dairy Management is vigorously promoting.

Oh, and there's more....

Urged on by government warnings about saturated fat, Americans have been moving toward low-fat milk for decades, leaving a surplus of whole milk and milk fat. Yet the government, through Dairy Management, is engaged in an effort to find ways to get dairy back into Americans’ diets, primarily through cheese.

The organization’s activities, revealed through interviews and records, provide a stark example of inherent conflicts in the Agriculture Department’s historical roles as both marketer of agriculture products and America’s nutrition police.

And remember this? I almost snotted a dairy product outta my nose at the time...

In one instance, Dairy Management spent millions of dollars on research to support a national advertising campaign promoting the notion that people could lose weight by consuming more dairy products, records and interviews show. The campaign went on for four years, ending in 2007, even though other researchers — one paid by Dairy Management itself — found no such weight-loss benefits.

When the campaign was challenged as false, government lawyers defended it, saying the Agriculture Department “reviewed, approved and continually oversaw” the effort.

And there's still more. Much more, but I didn't have the heart to continue. I need a government mandated cheese burger before they impose the mandated "fat" tax anyway.......

 

[Stubby]

Jeez ha TV...... I think you have to much time on your hands. Fortunately my laptop fried out on me this summer and went with a desktop with wireless keyboard and mouse. I can still sit back in my easy chair and cruse the internets (as W would say). Of course the last thing I need is some little rug rats crawling around.

Decided to educate myself a bit more so been reading this. Interesting stuff indeed. This is your homework assignment TV. There will be a test next week.

THR2010. (tobaccoharmreduction.org)

I think the anti-tobacco harm reduction extremist may be the moral equivalent of Adolf


Edit: you type fast TV. I do hope it was at least Wisconsin cheese

RYO Gotlands Yellow

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Decided to educate myself a bit more so been reading this. Interesting stuff indeed. This is your homework assignment TV. There will be a test next week.

THR2010. (tobaccoharmreduction.org)

I think the anti-tobacco harm reduction extremist may be the moral equivalent of Adolf

Thanks Stubby, got 'er downloaded and ready to cram for the exam .

Oh, the cheese.....uh, I think it was a China import. They say it goes farther with the added melamine.......

 

[rothenbj]

Short answer is yes your fears on unfounded. And yes as of yet the American snus is the bottom of the barrel. Swedish snus is much better. A good case could be made that snus is less harmful then e-cigs. There are no long range studies on e-cigs.... well okay.... they haven't been around to long..... which admittedly limits long range studies.... but still. All the studies on snus show that it has about 1% to 2% the risk of smoking. If there is a difference between e-cigs and snus it's splitting hairs. It's not tobacco that will get you.... it's the smoke. Oh.... and after 200 years of snus us in Sweden no connection has been found to any oral cancer..... so it appears you can keep your face.

Milk chocolate kisses

What he said jdg, except.........remember, all the studies done were on Swedish snus, not sure if that translates to Marlboro and Camel. I just downright didn't like the Marlboro, but earlier I posted that I forgot my can and picked up a can of Camel and it worked for me for the day and I rather liked it. That being said, there is a sweetness to it rather than Ss's saltiness.

I don't know if there is a different health profile for something that is so different tasting. I'm not saying it IS worse, just that I don't know of any studies on the subject and I have read about the studies done on Ss.

 

[rothenbj]

Well TV, from what you've told us, you must certainly have had a desktop or a really friendly mailman. I was going to say milkman, but a lot of you prolly don't know what they were.

 

[rothenbj]

TV, you should know by now, the only funded studies you can trust are those done by our friends, the Pharma Industry, because they are out to improve YOUR life and health through the wonderful world of chemicals, proved to be safe and effective in front of our protectors, the FDA. Please disregard the fine print and the list of possible side effects that may take as long to list as the actual commercial, just a minor formality of no significant import.

 

[hittman]

Good morning everyone. It was quite the busy night around here last night. I'm just too tired this morning to comment on any of it. Interesting reading though. It is rather quiet around here so far this morning which of course scares the crap out of me. Quiet usually precedes an explosion. I better go do something.

Thunder berry
coffee

 

[AllCoExPat]

I agree with ya there, hitt. Lots of good discussion that I'll try to get back to when I'm not stuck here at the office. Just wanted to pop in and say hello after lunch.

General Mint
Fanta Orange

 

[jdg]

Thanks for the snus info, folks! I remembered from last winter/spring the snus discussions, so truth be told, I never felt too bad about snusing. Really like Camel's Frost, actually. Was getting to be a bit spendy for me, though, so it's back to the old PV--which just doesn't taste as good as it could.

 

[W Axl Rose]

Hi all,
I survived the bridal shower. It was me, the bride to be, her soon to be sister in law who hates me for no apparent reason, and about 8 OLD ladies. I was happy cuz I won the 'how well do you know the bride' quiz. I even beat her mother!

I don't want it to be monday right now. My weekend flew by.

OR coffee vanilla
nothing cuz I'm going to run later and I don't want a sideache

 

[hittman]

I'll give an Amen to that Axl. I wish we could try a reverse week for once. You know work two and five off.

Jdg, I didn't mind the taste of the frost. It was my first snus. It just didn't have enough of a kick to it. How much is the camel there? It used to be 1.99 here for 15 portions. That was about a year ago though.

Getting ready to head home from work. Glad this day is over. Or is it just beginning? I wonder what stuff is waiting for me to do at home.

OR coffee vanilla
Wos honey menthol
water

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Evenin' all . The weather here is primo. I have the next 2 days off and it's s'posed to be around 70 by day and mid-40's at night, which is where I dwell. No infomercials for me this time .

Stubby, I haven't read that study yet, but starting in paragraph 2 of the "acknowledgments" the authors talk about the obvious biases of these types of things. I think I'm gonna enjoy it .

roth, the mailman says he hasn't gotten outta his car in 30 years and the milkman stopped delivering when I was 6, so I guess if laptops didn't decrease potency I may have had my own brigade instead of a platoon .

AllCo, don't let work spoil your day. Target 1 or 2 management types and have fun at their expense. It helps keep the mind creative and keeps bosses on their toes. Paranoia is a wonderful thing .

jdg, Camel probably would be more acceptable if it didn't cost an arm. I think it's around $4 for a tin around here. For around $3 (plus shipping) I can enjoy a 24 portion can of Swedish with enough nic set bugs and small animals on fire.

W, I'm glad you survived the wedding. Those and funerals are on the top of my "weasel-out" list. My oldest son married the daughter of one of my best friends. He and I have rode together for years (he was president of our local bike club and I was road captain). Words can't describe the misery we projected during the "beautification" process.

hitt, I've always liked the idea being a beach bum. If it was a better paying career I think I could work it 5 days a week easily .