What's under your lip/in your nose right now?

[W Axl Rose]

I don't snuff or vape, so snus is it for me.

Nice day here too. I know it can't last, but I'm loving it! Got my 3.5 mile run out of the way. I really felt like I was struggling, but my times were ok. I wonder why it is harder sometimes than others. You'd think it would get easier every time or at least stay the same.

Snus quality control sounds like a great job!!

OR coffee vanilla
propel

 

[Guttermouth]

Nice day here too. I know it can't last, but I'm loving it! Got my 3.5 mile run out of the way. I really felt like I was struggling, but my times were ok. I wonder why it is harder sometimes than others. You'd think it would get easier every time or at least stay the same.

If you figure it out - let me know. i did a little under 3 miles last night and thought i was gonna pass out during that first mile.

Ettan op
H20

 

[W Axl Rose]

Hitt, I know what you mean about the work thing. My boss won't 'make' his son do anything. If he won't do something or fusses, one of us is told to do it. I am of the same frame of mind as you, I'm paid by the hour, might as well keep the boss happy if I can.

Gutter, I'm glad it isn't just me! Some nights I literally have to FORCE myself to keep going and other nights it's almost fun. I just don't get it at all. I guess if it were easy or got easier, everyone would be out there doing it and we wouldn't need a 'twinkie tax'. Just curious, and you don't have to answer if it is too personal, but how long does it generally take you to run a mile? I find I can usually do my first mile in 8:30, second one is around 9:10, third is in the 9:40's and 4 is usually in the 9:20's. When I was in shape 3 years ago I could do all four miles in around 8:30, I think those days are behind me forever.

Nothing
water

 

[rothenbj]

Evening all. Okay, I read about the long weekends and the exercise so I'll give you my take on life, pay yourself first. Tomorrow, is my birthday, 63 years will be in the past, one week short of eight years of never having to worry about any boss not liking what I may or may not have done in recent history.

Left the house at 6:30 this morning on my scoot at 37degrees and gave five hours of volunteering at the thrift store. I more than likely enjoyed the work more than those that got paid (other than the owner, but non-profit is a book in itself), then stopped for lunch and cocktails. After I finished, I found out the owner was picking up my tab (gotta love my Brit bartender) I guess because I ran poker for a month when they were short handed. Left her a twenty tip which she'll probably complain about the next time I see her.

Came home, mowed my newest leaf fall into tiny pieces, then did the same for my new, next door neighbor. Came in, did two loads of dishes (yeah, a little behind), then went to the bar that one of my best friends owns (his wife has been in the hospital for nearly two months with complications from brain surgery after suffering strokes in her mid-40s) and had some catch up conversation.

Scooted home, again in low 40, high 30 temps, and am settling in with my dogs for a good nights sleep with a Roger Walters' The Wall concert on the horizon tomorrow. If I survive the next 24 hours, I figure I'm way ahead of the game and I thought that before the day started. I love two wheeling, at least till the ice shows up.

Oh, and I almost forgot............ I'm on my sixth portion for the day and, while at the bar, I also vaped (first in six days) and pitched both to two strangers. It was a GOOD DAY.

General mint
Ice water

 

[Guttermouth]

Gutter, I'm glad it isn't just me! Some nights I literally have to FORCE myself to keep going and other nights it's almost fun. I just don't get it at all. I guess if it were easy or got easier, everyone would be out there doing it and we wouldn't need a 'twinkie tax'. Just curious, and you don't have to answer if it is too personal, but how long does it generally take you to run a mile? I find I can usually do my first mile in 8:30, second one is around 9:10, third is in the 9:40's and 4 is usually in the 9:20's. When I was in shape 3 years ago I could do all four miles in around 8:30, I think those days are behind me forever.

I don't get it either axl but - you're right, if it was easy,everyone would do it.I do know that it is easier if my frame of mind is better or ( and i'm sorry this is so cheesey) if i keep a positive mental attitude.I generally don't get time to run untill late at night so the mental thing is really a struggle for me sometimes (especially after a really trying day).I just try to look at it as " Woo-Hoo! i GET to go running" not "ugh, i HAVE to go running" and it makes all the difference on those hard nights where i just want to be sleeping.
On the time thing, i wish i could be more help. I don't want to discourage myself by keeping to a time/mile schedule and either run for an allotted amount of time or allotted distance (usually distance).The track i run on is a 4/10 mi circular deal and best i can tell, i average somewhere around 8 to 8.5 minutes per mile.Stamina ( and trying to undo 20 years of sedentary smoking)is my main concern and it's a miracle that i (or any of us for that matter) can run after that.If we can work all day and run for 30 minutes with a 1/2 mile warmup and 1/2 mi cooldown a couple of times a week, then we're ahead of the curve.
Are you running with a program or just going out and doing it?
I've only been running for a few months but stepping back down and doing the c25k program has really helped (it's given me a bit of structure and a definite goal) as well as improved my form and built my leg muscles a bit more evenly.It was a bit weird at first trying to acclimate to the shorter runs and intervals but The benefits of having a specific goal ahead have been tremendous as well as a specific schedule.
Either way,
running is a great thing you're doing for yourself and family.Pat yourself on the back and have a smoothie every once in a while won't ya?

 

[W Axl Rose]

Roth, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

I'm kind of jealous of how you spend your days, to be honest. That is amazing!

Gutter, I know what you mean about wearing a watch being discouraging, but I can't help it. Since the stupid machine said I have 'early emphysema or copd' I'm kind of out to prove it wrong. They didn't even tell me what the test was measuring or how to do it, they just gave me the tubey thing and said 'take a deep breath and blow'. Anyway, that stupid test has been stuck in my hamster wheel of a mind and I it really really bothers me. SOOO, I am out to get BETTER times and run FURTHER. I'm not actually sure if this is good for me or not, and I'm not going to ask because I'm not sure I even want the answer. Does runnning make mild air trapping worse? I don't even want to know. My inhales and exhales were both 85% so I can't be that bad off, right?...right?

No, I don't run with a program (not even sure what you mean by that, to be honest) I have the same 3 and 4 mile routes that I've been running since 06. What is the c25k program? You recommend it? can it be done on a treadmill? (we are heading in to winter here). I'm willing to try it.

You've only been running a few months and can do 8 minute miles??? I'm so jealous. What are you, 25??

being jealous of gutter with claq qui
keystone light

 

[Guttermouth]

Gutter, I know what you mean about wearing a watch being discouraging, but I can't help it. Since the stupid machine said I have 'early emphysema or copd' I'm kind of out to prove it wrong. They didn't even tell me what the test was measuring or how to do it, they just gave me the tubey thing and said 'take a deep breath and blow'. Anyway, that stupid test has been stuck in my hamster wheel of a mind and I it really really bothers me. SOOO, I am out to get BETTER times and run FURTHER. I'm not actually sure if this is good for me or not, and I'm not going to ask because I'm not sure I even want the answer. Does runnning make mild air trapping worse? I don't even want to know. My inhales and exhales were both 85% so I can't be that bad off, right?...right?

No, I don't run with a program (not even sure what you mean by that, to be honest) I have the same 3 and 4 mile routes that I've been running since 06. What is the c25k program? You recommend it? can it be done on a treadmill? (we are heading in to winter here). I'm willing to try it.

You've only been running a few months and can do 8 minute miles??? I'm so jealous. What are you, 25??

Axl,
i had no idea about the copd - i know very,very little about it although i do have an aunt with it (she smoked for 40 years or so) so i can't say if the running would be bad for it or not. do you feel better after running on a regular basis? i can't really see how exercise would be bad for any chronic condition but, then again, i'm not a doctor and i know it can be rough for people with certain types of asthma. I can certainly understand the drive to run further and get better times though - especially having an illness or some other thing you were trying to conquer.

Just so you know where i'm coming from,I have meniere's disease that was caused by a particularly bad case of the flu (It's not something i generally talk about but seems pertinent here). after i came down with it, i couldn't walk for years and there are still some days where walking or standing up is hard to do.The way i look at it,there are multiple questions to any given solution and people that have medical issues just have to use their brains a bit more to figure out the right question.If i wake up one day and can't walk, i'm probably not going running that day but you can bet as soon as i can - i'll be out there doing it and my balance is all the better for it.If you have 85 percent lung function and you give it everything you've got, you're still ahead of most people who are siting on the couch eating bon bons and watching soap operas

when i was asking if you were running with a program, i just meant are you following any type of guidelines.When i started, it felt kind of aimless just going out and running with no specific goal in mind and finding some guidelines and podcasts really helped give me some direction and structure.

The c25k program : Cool Running | The Couch-to-5K ® Running Plan
Is sort of geared at beginners ( the first couple of weeks are slow and for getting people up and moving) but, in the first 6 weeks there are some intervals where you run for a couple of minutes and then jog or walk for a couple of minutes for recovery.At first i felt like it was under my level but after getting to week 4 or so, the intervals really started killing me and sort of showed me weak spots in how i had been running and really helped to reign in my breath control.

I'm in week 8 now and at this point it's just straight 28 minute runs with 5 minutes warm up and cool off but the lessons learned from the intervals were invaluable and really helped to improve my overall stamina (and interestingly enough, get rid of shin splints??).
If you've been running regularly since 06 it might not feel like much of a workout but, it would be worth trying one of the later weeks with the longer intervals and see if it helps.
I assure you,there's nothing to be jealous of - i just have a hard head , long legs and huge feet.

wow.
evidently, i'm writing novels with:
jakobsson's wintergreen
Water

 

[Guttermouth]

Evening all. Okay, I read about the long weekends and the exercise so I'll give you my take on life, pay yourself first. Tomorrow, is my birthday, 63 years will be in the past, one week short of eight years of never having to worry about any boss not liking what I may or may not have done in recent history.

Left the house at 6:30 this morning on my scoot at 37degrees and gave five hours of volunteering at the thrift store. I more than likely enjoyed the work more than those that got paid (other than the owner, but non-profit is a book in itself), then stopped for lunch and cocktails. After I finished, I found out the owner was picking up my tab (gotta love my Brit bartender) I guess because I ran poker for a month when they were short handed. Left her a twenty tip which she'll probably complain about the next time I see her.

Came home, mowed my newest leaf fall into tiny pieces, then did the same for my new, next door neighbor. Came in, did two loads of dishes (yeah, a little behind), then went to the bar that one of my best friends owns (his wife has been in the hospital for nearly two months with complications from brain surgery after suffering strokes in her mid-40s) and had some catch up conversation.

Scooted home, again in low 40, high 30 temps, and am settling in with my dogs for a good nights sleep with a Roger Walters' The Wall concert on the horizon tomorrow. If I survive the next 24 hours, I figure I'm way ahead of the game and I thought that before the day started. I love two wheeling, at least till the ice shows up.

Oh, and I almost forgot............ I'm on my sixth portion for the day and, while at the bar, I also vaped (first in six days) and pitched both to two strangers. It was a GOOD DAY.

General mint
Ice water

Happy Birthday Roth.
That sounds like a pretty close to ideal day.

 

[hittman]

Good morning. Happy Birthday Roth! Have a great time at the concert.

Axl and Gutter, you two are making me feel old. It's about all I can do to finish two miles any more. I only run on the treadmill so I know my miles are taking around 9:30. Sometimes a little faster sometimes a little slower. Like you said, it's never the same. Each time it's different depending on how I feel, my motivation, and what aches that day. I skipped my workout last night. It was a really bad day at work yesterday and by the time I left work I felt like I had just came in last place in a ball kicking contest. I just needed some down time last night to heal up so I could come back today for another go at it.

Axl, I just couldn't remember before it you vaped or snuffed. I think if I didn't do either of those then I could most likely do es portions all day. I don't remember which one of Dvap's categories it is but I seem to be in the one that needs alot of nic and alkaloids. I think if you can run like you do that the doctor must have been a little full of crap on that copd test. Both of my parents have it after smoking for 40+ years. My mom quit a few years ago and I'm not sure but I think my dad might still have one once in a while. I better quit rambling and go get to work.

Thunder berry
coffee

 

[jojogardener]

Hey my friends,
trust all is well with you and yours.
Ive got a whole bunch of discrete and general mini that I would like to sell or trade - im using less and less - I seem to have finally found my sweet spot with vaping.
Let me know if anyone is interested.

 

[W Axl Rose]

Hey Jojo! It's been awhile. I hope that all is well with you.

Is the discreet any good? How many mg of nic?

Hitt, you are probably way faster and you probably run further. Treadmills LIE!!

Hitt, did quitting smoking help their copd at all? I think if I have it, it is in the earliest phase. My dr said my results were as close to normal without being considered normal that results could be. He also said that not everyone fits into the normal ranges. I wasn't upset about the 85% thing because for that normal is 80-100.

I cleared up the little mystery of why I was dragging .... running last night. Woke up this morning with a head cold. Yuck.

groteberg rape
herbal tea

 

[hittman]

Axl, I think my mom is better since quitting but I'm not sure about my dad. I haven't been home for a visit in a year or two. Last time I was there my dad had one of those oxygen machines but he doesn't use it all of the time. I'm not sure how much he smoked but I think it was alot. I remember him smoking viceroys. He ran an auto parts store and they smoked while working and it was pretty smokey in there if I ever went in for a visit. Just the second hand smoke was a killer.

 

[W Axl Rose]

Well, my hope is this. If I'm in the early stages now, and don't smoke anymore, I just want to make it to see my kids through high school, which is 12 years. That is the goal.

Enough doom and gloom!

It was another beautiful day today!

 

[hittman]

I think you will be around much longer than that. You shouldn't have anything to worry about.

 

[The Wiz]

Hola Gang! How's tricks?

Packards Club
24mg Generic Menthol
Coffee

Wiz!

 

[W Axl Rose]

Hey Wiz!

What's new in with you?

 

[WerkIt]

I have NOTHING under my lip right now, although I have been snussing the remains of some Gotland's Yellow loose, in homemade coffee filter portions, for the last couple of days. Although I really like the Gotland's Yellow, I am using it up as quickly as possible, because I already have the first 20 homemade coffee filter portions from a freshly opened can of Offroad Cran waiting in the fridge.

 

[Stubby]

Just us night owls here...... don't mind us..... though my fellow night owl buddy TV seems to be missing....... so it goes........

Went over to the General site today and found out my old tobacco shop stomping ground now carries general snus. Who would have thunk it. It's fairly easy walking distant from where I live. Gonna have to check it out but almost afraid of what the price will be with the WI tax. Still..... it'l be worth it just to see what a general fridge looks like in person. might buy a can of GW or loose.

Supposed to maybe snow a bit this weekend here in the northland. What fun.......

RYO Prima Fint

 

[The Wiz]

Hey Wiz!

What's new in with you?

Hey Rose!! Same old same old here! Hey Stubby.......Long time no time!

Wiz!

 

[hittman]

Good morning everyone. Hello Wiz. You should stop by here a little more often. It's good to see some more of the old familiar faces here again. I guess with the weather cooling off that it might be natural. I'm not sure why but lately I had been having some extra sore muscles in my legs from running/workouts. I decided to take a couple days off to heal and then get back after it tomorrow.

I was wondering if anyone has read anything about diacetyl? I have seen a few discussions around the forum about it and from what I gather it is in some flavorings used for liquids and it sounds like if you get enough that it can be dangerous. Does anyone know the true story on this?

Thunder berry
coffee