What's with all the hate for...

[tyfighter]

Auto-batteries

Ok, maybe hate is the wrong word. But the general feeling I've gotten from these forums is that auto-batteries are far inferior to manuals. It even stopped me from buying automatic batteries for a while. But no more!

I received my first auto today for my 401 after using only manuals on it for the past week that I've had it and manuals on my 510 for the 5 months that I've had it and I gotta say, it performs on par with both of the manual batteries. The draw is easy and consistent. I always get good throat hit and vapor. What's the problem here?

 

[tribalmasters]

The auto batteries have some disadvantages such as loud music activating the microphone switch that the m401 batteries are prone to. They can also get flooded with e-liquid damaging the switch and some have an annoying cutoff(so do some manuals that I discovered hehe) but there are big advantages too of course like hands free vaping!!

Some auto batteries should be part of everyones collection

 

[Luv2CUSmile]

I also have the M401- I love my auto batteries. I do also have a manual 401 but I haven't seen any difference in the two. Both draw great, last about the same time period, give or take, but not by much on either side. I get great flavor from both, etc, etc

Many people say that they have experienced the auto batteries being sensitive. Going off w/ movement or hard vibration such as in a night club, while driving w/ windows down, etc

I have taken mine to Chuck E Cheese, Doc's (like an adult Chuck E Cheese), the skating rink, and while driving... my autos haven't gone off on me. But, when I am not using them, I keep them in my case. Could just be how they are carried around.
Because some people have experienced the "sensitive" batteries the charge is lost faster and more frequently.

I actually am more careful w/ the manual battery because I think I am going to accidentally push the button. In my case I place it so the button is edged slightly to the side so the case doesn't close down on it and turn it on.
I am not sure why some people seem to have problems while others don't. I want mine to last as long as possible so I take extra care when storing mine. I don't find it to be an inconvenience. It is the same concept as, I wouldn't throw a cigarette in my purse or pocket w/o it being in a pack... So, I don't throw my batts in anywhere unless they are in the case.

HTH to at least give you one other person's perspective on the positive to auto batteries.

 

[Stephaniems]

I'm not a fan of the auto's or the manuals give me a mod! LOL I hate switching out a battery every 1 1/2 to 2 hours. Thats what you get after using the batteries a few weeks.

 

[tyfighter]

I ain't worried. Takes only a few seconds to swap out for a new battery. And if there are two things I'm never without its a usb port (gotta love all these AC->USB adapters that are popping out of the woodworks these days... I've got like five from various electronics) and my ecigs, so a new battery is usually waiting in the wings.

 

[Fedor]

I enjoy my autos and manuals in different situations. I use the manuals in the car and in loud places. I use the autos while outdoors with friends. I use the USB PT in front of a computer. Its great!

 

[cliff5550]

Strictly autos here. See no need for a manual.

 

[ProfessorDaffy]

Auto batteries have a shorter lifespan than manuals. I've had the same manual battery for almost 6 months now. One drop of liquid at the wrong time will kill the switch and you're battery is a goner. You also must continually suck to keep it active. Again liquid can lead to a touchy switch and you won't always get it to fire. With a manual button you have more control and no cut off time.

That said, auto batteries do provide more of a "smoking" experience. While the fell of a manual is second nature, it's nice to have an automatic around so you can pretend that you're smoking a cigarette. I plan to add one to my next order. I won't trust it as far as I can throw it. It's just a nice novelty item to have in my collection.

--Prof Daffy
P.S. "No way to control it. It's totally automatic..."
P.P.S. I like the way you think, Fedor. Manual, auto, mega, PCC. Each serves a specific purpose, specific need, and specific experience.

 

[knifesideleft]

I've had an auto turn on while it was in my pocket driving a motorcycle. Nearly crashed the bike trying to pull over as it began to sear my leg.

It was some random brand I bought from China. Never seen them again so I can't comment on what it was but it was the last time I used a auto. I swear by manual 510's only now.

 

[laurieok]

I prefer the autos too. I am glad to see someone else likes them too...thought I was the only one!

 

[Hellen A. Handbasket]

Every once in a while, I'll grab an auto bat for my 801. It is amazing that little thing puts out some nice vapor. Seems better power/vapor than the manual 801 batteries. Dunno why exactly, but I've read that the switch on the manual makes creates a voltage drop, resistance or a continuity thing so a bit less power.

Anyone know?

 

[evil1rox]

I like autos for when I'm driving.

I have too many other things in the to distract me.. having an auto hang in my mouth like my old analogs feels right!

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[Silence]

have an annoying cutoff, but there are big advantages too of course like hands free vaping!

Sry for the post cut but these 2 statements I feel are the biggest reasons for me. I have 4 auto batteries and on 2 of them the cutoff seems to be around 3 seconds. I can barely get started drawing when the cutoff kicks in. but hands-free + driving rulez

 

[Silence]

I've read that the switch on the manual makes creates a voltage drop, resistance or a continuity thing so a bit less power.

Anyone know?

Makes sense. Every time you add a component into an electrical circuit you are adding resistance even when the switch is on. Now OTOH the added resistance should be miniscule. That is to say that it should really only be noticeable with a multimeter. I think the formula is Power over Amps x Resistance?? It's been a while since my electrical theory classes.

 

[bluesuede]

Prefer manual for my 801. Don't like the manual bats for KR808D-1. Auto, for me, is definitely the way to go with my 401 'cause I dip. I hold and use like an analog. Feels and behaves just like the real thing.

 

[kc0cmp]

Auto-Batteries

Ok, maybe hate is the wrong word. But the general feeling I've gotten from these forums is that auto-batteries are far inferior to manuals. It even stopped me from buying automatic batteries for a while. But no more!

I received my first auto today for my 401 after using only manuals on it for the past week that I've had it and manuals on my 510 for the 5 months that I've had it and I gotta say, it performs on par with both of the manual batteries. The draw is easy and consistent. I always get good throat hit and vapor. What's the problem here?

My biggest problem with auto batteries isn't the "everything sets them off" issue its the "unable to choose your drag speed" issue...IE some auto batts light right up with a light draw, and some don't. This happens with 510s, 901s (and 901 clones) and KR808D-1's in particular, but probably not exclusively. You have to drag at the minimum speed required by the auto batt to notice you're drawing..sometimes this speed is altered by airflow (too loose) and you don't activate the switch at the speed you'd prefer to go at.

You can place fingers over holes, use tape, or a number of other tricks....Or you can just use a manual battery and have it "on" when you want it on, and "off" when youre finished (except for the cutoff limitations most batteries have).

For the sheer dependability of activation, all of my batteries are manuals now.

Ive had offbreed 901s (non DSE) and 510s and piles of KR808D-1 batteries require face collapsing drags to activate...its just not worth the hassle to me..but I still consider it a "user preference" thing.

 

[Hellen A. Handbasket]

Most of my auto 801s don't seem to have a much of a draw cut off. The few that I had that were wonky, I took a paper clip and stuck it in the hole and wiggled it about. It seemed to kill off the valve or what ever is inside that goes shut and turns off the battery mid-hit. Don't know if it would work for a 401, I just don't use mine.

This also works if you have one stuck with juice...First make a twirled up thin piece of tissue, thread it into the hole and stand ash tip up for 24 hours and it will help remove any e-liquid that has gone into the connector. Unbend a paper clip and wiggle back and forth inside the connector hole. Seems to unstick the valve (or break it so it won't cut off).

Worse case, people have put alcohol inside the battery end to try to clean them (with wildly varying results as in dead or worked great).

 

[kase]

Automatic batteries would be great if they were consistent. They aren't though. It will perform one way one day, a different another. They're great at first but decline quickly. I've only been vaping for a month and have lost an auto battery. The auto switch is permanently activated on one and it just stays on till it dies. Its a total POS, and I'm not going to waste my money on any more. I really wanted it to work, but they just dont work as well.

 

[Zofryer]

I used to love having what I'd call a "teeth clencher" with a whistle tip I could just puff on while feathering my World of Warcraft addiction. For me, that was a J118 with virginia flue in it. Problem is, I could probably put four of those in my mouth right now and it wouldn't satisfy me. Seeing as how there are no high-volt teeth clencher autos available, to me the point is moot.

 

[Charlie58]

I first started with a J118 kit with one battery,atomizer, and PCC.
I kept running out of battery and would smoke analogs while charging it.
Also it was hard to get decent vapor from it and not easy to find parts for. I bought it at a convenience store.
After reading here I bought the copper 510s and since they come with manual batteries that was what I used. After a while I started using my J118 with an auto battery again and found that it worked better now that I had been smoking an e cig for a while. In all reality it was probably me that used it better. LOL. I now prefer the auto batteries and use my 510 as a fill in when I want a lot of vapor. I've just moved to a 201 with auto batteries. But if I hadn't used the manual batteries first I would have gotten discouraged. So at least in my case the manuals helped in the learning curve between using an analog and an e cig.
I guess it all boils down to whatever we're comfotable with.