When certain Dr.s are against vaping,
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The Hippocratic Oath? That went out the window a long time ago. Money rules, and once you have enough money, all that maters is your ego.
That oath is long dead, look at all the prescriptions wrote for drugs with dangerous and sometimes lethal side effects.
ETA: VHR beat me to it.
ETA: VHR beat me to it.
Kind of ironic when antidepressants "may cause suicidal thoughts" and asthma medication "may cause shortage of breath"
The amount of bad drug / lawyer commercials is sickening. You would think they would find out the drug is bad before letting the public use it for 5-10 years, but no, no money there. Today`s incontinence wonder drug is tomorrow`s killer. (and all the lawyers say "Yay!")
Depends how educated they become on the vaping issue. For the record, my doctor is on board, he's just tickled that I dropped a 30 year smoking habit.
I'm not making excuses for the medical community, but there are a LOT of issues for a GP to stay current with, and it really all depends what YOUR doctor does to try and stay current.
If it's really a bother to you, try and point your doctor in the right direction and see what happens.
I've been vaping for over 2 years. In that time I have yet to find anyone who can give me solid medical proof that there are absolutely no risks whatsoever with vaping. Quite the opposite, even vapers generally recognize that some people have PG or VG sensitivities that cause health problems, and some flavorings may contain substances that are potentially dangerous (Diketones being the most obvious example). There's also allergy issues that come into play. What happens when you vape a liquid that uses a natural nut extract around someone with a severe nut allergy? There are some unexplored issues as well, such a metal leaching which happens when any acidic liquid comes into contact with metal. If a stainless steel pan can leach nickel and chromium into acidic foods cooked in it then I see no reason why an atomizer that used a stainless steel wire wouldn't do the same with acidic (Such as citrus based) ejuices.
So no, I do not think the doctors who are against violating any oath. Quite the opposite, if they have a strict "Do no harm" policy then they would naturally advise against vaping as there is no reason to believe that vaping is 100% harmless. It may be far less harmful than smoking, but that's NOT the same thing as being harmless.
What a drag it is, getting old.Starting in the '60's.
The Rolling Stones "Mothers little helper".
No argument on the hippocratic oath losing out. Plenty of places where you get asked for cash or card before you get asked what ails you.
Even a doc who smokes him/herself will ( have to ) tell you that smokes are damaging your health .
Same goes for vaping.
And if you happen to live in a busy metropolis the same goes for breathing too.
Should I get the impression that my doc follows ideological lines rather than medical reasoning, I'd be finding myself another doc real quick...
Even a doc who smokes him/herself will ( have to ) tell you that smokes are damaging your health .
Same goes for vaping.
And if you happen to live in a busy metropolis the same goes for breathing too.
Should I get the impression that my doc follows ideological lines rather than medical reasoning, I'd be finding myself another doc real quick...
I agree K_Tech. My GP (mid 50's) actually said to me that the pure Nic that I use for vaping was "Good for me" and was happy when I told him that I had went to vaping from a 52 year tobacco habit (that was a surprise), and my Rheumatologist (mid to late 40's) was elated that I quit tobacco after 52 years and went to vaping (after I explained to him what was in it, Pharmaceutical grade Nic, PG and VG with no flavorings added), but my Heart DR. who is in her 30's had a whole different reaction (very antagonistic), when I told her that I had quit tobacco after 52 years (that's one of the first questions that they ask patients up here in Minnesota) and went to vaping and explained to her what was in it she asked how soon I was planning on stopping vaping altogether after she heard the word Nicotine (I got the impression that my quitting tobacco after 52 years was no big deal), and was very confrontational about it. Really ?!??!! Too bad for me, as she is touted as the BEST (in my area) for my kind of Heart problem, Electrical, my Heart shorts out and goes into A-Fib with 180-200 beats per minute (very exhilarating to say the least).
I happen to believe that up here in my area, Politics plays too large a roll in Medicine, Minnesota is a HUGE Nanny State in my opinion, I came to live here from the Great State of Arizona in 2007 and the FIRST thing I noticed was that the medical community was a lot different than it was in Arizona, and Not for the better, it feels like there is a hidden agenda that is not for the greater good of the patient, but for the Greater Good of the System. I have to go to Wisconsin for my Rheumatologist (too long of a waiting list here), and here for my GP and Heart Dr., but I have noticed that my GP is the anomaly compared to the other Dr.'s I have seen up here in Minnesota (the many other Doctors).
Vaping is very restricted up here and the medical community is on board with that almost like the State and the Medical Community are in Lock Step. It is sad that common sense is trumped by politics, but that is what it seems to me to be going on up here.
I moved up here because of family, and that's the only thing keeping me here to be honest. I remember the days when the Dr. would still make house calls, so I notice things that you younger folks might not even think about, like when the Congress approved the shortening of the testing faze of New Medicine's from 7-10 year trials down to 6 months, I watched that on C-Span and knew then that we were all in for bad times in the future, and here we all are, 1-800-Bad Drugs.
And you NEVER will. These days there is NOT 1 Thing that is 100% safe. Harm Reduction is all that we can hope for now a days.
That is very true, so what can we all expect to get out of life ?? Harm reduction is all I can see as the best we can hope for (and happiness with ones situation), and any Harm Reduction should be applauded and pursued, no matter what.
If you are trying to quit Tobacco then Vaping is prolly the best way to do it (the least harmful), if one has never used Tobacco I see No reason to get into Vaping if you are the least bit worried about you're health, because Vaping has not been given a Green Light as a Safe thing to be doing (and prolly Never will), BUT, in my opinion, Vaping is so much better than Tobacco that it should be encouraged as THE BEST Alternative to Tobacco for those that just cannot stop Tobacco Cold Turkey. This decision should always be left up to the individual and NOT some Government or Politician or Health Professional. Last time I looked, We are still a Free Nation and can do as we see fit as long as it doesn't impinge on someone else's rights. If you have Never used Tobacco and want to Vape, for what ever reason, then just do it, but know that it might not be the safest thing health wise to be doing to you're body. I'll NOT pass judgement on you, DON'T pass judgement on me. Too many get that High and Mighty "feeling too good about them selves" and then pass laws to protect people from themselves just because they feel that we are not smart enough to do it on our own.
I need to stop. Sorry about my rant and for anyone I might have offended.
I need to stop. Sorry about my rant and for anyone I might have offended.
No kidding Huh. Then IF you might slip and say something to you're Dr. he/she will put in you're file that YOU are suicidal, let you're insurance find that one, Surprise !!
Lol. Of course medications can have dangerous side effects. However, as every doctor knows, it's always risk versus benefit. Suicidal thoughts are extremely rare with anti depressants, just like most serious side effects with any drug are usually exceedingly rare with proper use. And quite frankly, as someone who needs prescription drugs that have the potential to have serious side effects to you know, get out of bed and not jump off a building, I find it highly illogical, and quite frankly, stupid as ...., to not trust medical professionals because certain drugs that can be dangerous are legal for use with a prescription. Nothing is safe. Everything is poison. The only thing that decides whether something is safe to use or not, is dosage.
So... you think alternative medicine works? Like what? Traditional Chinese Medicine? Reiki? Acupuncture? Homeopathy?I will say this though, in their defense. At some point we did become a "give me a pill for it" society. Which has lead them to trust their medications vs any alternative therapy. Ya know like how Chantix is 100 times safer tha vaping.
I suspect there is also something called individual choice as well that
decides if something is safe to use. Seems to me individual choice
is continually attacked. I know that individual choice is attacked
because with individual choice, the individual human exists in a state
of becoming, and becomes omnipotent. It is through each respective
individual's choice they create their own respective worlds.
Every person on the planet is unique which is what makes us humans so
awesome
Our uniqeness also gives us each respectively, differentpreferences. Do not allow any other human being to define your
preferences. By the same token do not attempt define any other human
being's preferences.
Trying to define another's preferences, or choices is a form of evil. It is
not ethical or moral according to the Golden Rule. Granted, not everyone
follows the Golden Rule. It though does provide an adequately common
ground of equanimity for all of us. That noted it can be generally thought
of as applicable as universal law.
So, trying to define other human being's preferences and choices is evil. I
strongly dislike evil and its actions. So much so that I refuse giving it power.
I do not see evil as evil, instead I choose to see reality as reality. There is only
the whole and the whole allows for evil, lest there is no good good. What I see
are varying degrees of positives and negatives like varying degrees of colors
in the rainbow.
In that manner I can embrace evil, expose evil to the light, give evil all the
more it desires. Sure, evil and greed can have more and more light. I will
offer the darkness evil creates six suns and more if that is not enough. It
is in such way evil falls away powerless. Ultimately, through individual choice,
free choice I defeat all evil. You may do so as well. Recall though, none of us may
choose for another. This deprives all of free choice.
I call it the hypicritic oath.
Doctors offices and hospitals these days are ruled by insurance and drug companies.
The drug companies decide what drug they're going to flood the market with (but the price stays astronomical) and the doctors push it despite the low success rate and high harm rate.
The insurance companies strong arm and decide nearly all other practices by threatening legal recourse and refusing to pay for services rendered.
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