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This makes more sense. I recall a few years ago a major e-liquid manufacturer had to change their brand name because it was the same as an alcoholic manufacturer's brand name. They got a cease and desist letter. I wish I could remember the name.
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No Arguments here.
But I will say this. If someone cut the Label off something like a Juice Box, because He/She thought it was Cool, taped it to a Bottle of their e-Liquid, and then some Child Accidently drank it thinking it was "Juice", the e-Cigarette Community would (for the Most Part) be up in arms Denouncing what the person did as Reckless and a Completely Irresponsible Act.
But when on OEM does it the Response can be Vastly Different.
It's a Funny Dichotomy when you Think About It.
I may have phrased that badly, I'm referring to something like this
I'll stop referring to it as "trademark".
Anyways if the FTC could just sue they'd probably have done it instead of the FDA issuing warning letters. Maybe bullying and pushing around is involved with their tactics.
It may not be literal trademark law, apologies for creating confusion
I'll stop referring to it as "trademark".Anyways if the FTC could just sue they'd probably have done it instead of the FDA issuing warning letters. Maybe bullying and pushing around is involved with their tactics.
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True.
And, while others might disagree - we can see it in spades in the U.S. right now with the group in power trying to remove a democratically elected president from office.
But your right, it's not just here.. we are all fighting this battle for our right to self determination. We the people's of the world are fighting against those who want to dictate what they believe is best for us.
Brief excursion - I googled "smoking barbie" to see if such a thing ever existed.
I ree-heally shouldn't have done that
http://i.imgur.com/eCbR6SE.jpg
shoulda thunk twice before asking the internet.
I ree-heally shouldn't have done that
http://i.imgur.com/eCbR6SE.jpg
shoulda thunk twice before asking the internet.
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Just sayn'... stuff is good.His post was meant to be about flavors and vaping, not as a suggestion for your personal bar yer brandy blossom
Eh? They tried banning alcohol about 100 years ago. It didn't work out very well. They've banned numerous other substances since then. That hasn't worked out very well either. Why do you think that banning tobacco would turn out any better?
Never said it would work. I think there is a Schedule 1 drug that was banned years ago that is becoming popular in some states. It was a statement about principle. I guess it is silly to assume lawmakers and principles should be in the same thought bubble.
It absolutely WOULD have been a "Reckless and a Completely Irresponsible Act". Not the cutting and pasting of the label, but allowing the product to be within reach of a child young enough to mistake it for a real juice box is what would be irresponsible. Allowing dangerous products to be within reach of a child that young is always irresponsible REGARDLESS of what the label looks like.
Okay, I drank that blue toilet bowl cleaner when my mom's back was turned. She reported I said, "It tastes bad." It did require a quick trip to the ER, but I guess I'm made of strong stuff? My mother was inattentive?
However, I'm just going to point out, prohibition has been and gone. There are far more fatal things than candy flavored alcohol to be found under many kitchen sinks. The argument is ridiculous, because most poisonings happen to young kids (UNLESS it's tide pods, I guess).
The flavor wars are unwinnable. So, if and when all the "decrees fall" I plan to approach it LIKE prohibition and try to have a good time in the process. I always said I'd join the cigarette mafia once they banned smoking. Oddly, they are choosing to attack a harm reduction product.
Since I LIKE harm reduction AND flavors, I will be willing to do my part-- and yes, I took the flavor survey and truthfully I like MOST flavors on the chopping block. I will do my part for the grey market, and I don't even consider it a SIN more like a virtue, honestly.
If all else fails, I know that blue toilet bowl cleaner can get the job done.
Anna
However, I'm just going to point out, prohibition has been and gone. There are far more fatal things than candy flavored alcohol to be found under many kitchen sinks. The argument is ridiculous, because most poisonings happen to young kids (UNLESS it's tide pods, I guess).
The flavor wars are unwinnable. So, if and when all the "decrees fall" I plan to approach it LIKE prohibition and try to have a good time in the process. I always said I'd join the cigarette mafia once they banned smoking. Oddly, they are choosing to attack a harm reduction product.
Since I LIKE harm reduction AND flavors, I will be willing to do my part-- and yes, I took the flavor survey and truthfully I like MOST flavors on the chopping block. I will do my part for the grey market, and I don't even consider it a SIN more like a virtue, honestly.
If all else fails, I know that blue toilet bowl cleaner can get the job done.
Anna
I AGREE 100%. But what it all boils down to is revenue for the government. I think they are being very hypocritical on their anti-smoking campaign. Vaping is helping thousands of smokers to quit smoking which means loss of tax revenue from cigarette tax. So their answer is to try to cripple the vaping industry. This is one of the main reasons I am learning to make my own juice. I don't think they will shut down sites like TFA, Flavor West, etc. I have already stockpiled a fair amount of nicotine in my freezer. Winded up with 20 4oz bottles of 100mg 50/50, which should last me for a good while. I really hope the FAD fails at what they Are trying to do, but I am prepared just in case.The proposed FDA ban of e-liquid flavors because candy, fruit, desert or other sweet flavors appealing to children has me ...... off. Adults like these flavors too. The powers that be don't seem very concerned that the same flavors are in alcoholic adult beverages. WHERE IS THE ALARM? Seems pretty hypocritical of our government to pick on the vaping industry and not the alcohol industry for doing the same thing.
Adults should keep e-liquids out of reach of their children. Vendors need to do a better job of keeping e-liquids out of minor's hands and check ID's. Adults who purchase alcohol or e-liquids for minors should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
We already have enough laws and regulations that are supposed to keep danger out of minors' hands. We only need better enforcement of those laws.
I sincerely hope every member on this message board filled out the Flavors Ban Poll!
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It wouldn't let me do the poll because I am canadian eh =( Canadians should have a say too dammit !
As far as the politicians are concerned, all this 'feel good' crap that they blather on about is all about getting re-elected.
TERM LIMITS!
TERM LIMITS!
Lol.. nothing against Canadians but I'd prefer only U.S. citizens have a say in any U.S. political matter.
But thank you for your care and concern for us all.
it's kind and considerate.However, if we fail in this fight for flavors then we did so because Americans just didn't care and perhaps that will be the fire that it takes to get people more involved in the political aspect for the things they do to improve their lives.
Already we see vape shops as well as so called advocacy groups giving up, conceding defeat and parroting anti-vaping lies in the hopes the anti-vapers and politicians will allow them to sell something, anything, in this anti-vaping nation that has defeated them so completely.
The only ones left to fight for us is us.. no one is doing it for us so if we lose, we lost because "we" didn't care enough to stand up for the truth, what was right.
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