Which flavours contain alcohol, how to find out and avoid?

[Dearth Vapir]

Some flavour makers give an ingredients breakdown and show if they contain (ethyl) alcohol, and some vendor sites also make this clear, however this is not always the case, and several weeks ago I got some LorAnn Mango not realising it contained alcohol - it took me a couple of weeks of total hell before I realised what was causing it and ditched the flavouring, then another couple of weeks to fully recover :'-(

Since that I'm a helluva lot more vigilant, but it's not always so easy to find out when browsing and ordering...

Anyway I was wondering if anyone else who needs to avoid even the slightest bit of alcohol like the mother-of-all-plagues, has ever started to compile some kind of 'offenders list' or anything?

Cheers folks,

Shaun/DV

 

[Dougiestyle]

I like ethyl alcohol daily if possible, so I can offer no help.

Are you friend of Bill W.?

 

[Dearth Vapir]

I like ethyl alcohol daily if possible, so I can offer no help.

Are you friend of Bill W.?

Heheheh, 'yes I am' (although I've never been to a single 'meeting')and not shy of admitting that either; but it's not so much that it triggers 'cravings' in me (or at least it didn't the few times I accidentally ingested small amounts), it's that I don't seem to metabolise it normally at all any more, and even in tiny amounts it makes me quite ill indeed, with burning headaches, body aches, organ trauma and a general feeling of having hell's fiery, truly *burning* venom running through my veins. Ain't pretty at all, so I definitely need to avoid it as I'm sure you can see.

Cheers Dougie,

Shaun/DV

 

[bwh79]

Most people just let it breathe overnight, cap off, to let the alcohol evaporate out from the mix, when using flavors that contain it.

 

[Heybilox]

Hey gang, I'm of an active friend of 'Billy Boy' as I refer to him and the 'good doctor from Akron' and never thought that vaping with flavors with ethyl alcohol could be a problem for me. In fact I'm vaping a concoction I made up with the main ingredient being TFA's Kentucky Bourbon and I just checked their site on the flavor and the last ingredient listed is ethyl alcohol. I'll be meeting with some of the gang tomorrow and some are vapers. I'll have to check if they take any precautions or had any ill affects. I've been vaping for almost a year and I've never had any unwanted urges which I've gotten from taking Nyquil which I now avoid like the plague.
What a conundrum; relapsing, popcorn lung or smoking. I'll continue vaping and take my chances.

 

[Dearth Vapir]

Most people just let it breathe overnight, cap off, to let the alcohol evaporate out from the mix, when using flavors that contain it.

I'm afraid this would still leave too much residue for my problem - even heating it in an open beaker in the microwave, repeatedly did not reduce the levels enough for me, but thanks for the thought!

Cheers,

Shaun.

 

[Dearth Vapir]

Hey gang, I'm of an active friend of 'Billy Boy' as I refer to him and the 'good doctor from Akron' and never thought that vaping with flavors with ethyl alcohol could be a problem for me. In fact I'm vaping a concoction I made up with the main ingredient being TFA's Kentucky Bourbon and I just checked their site on the flavor and the last ingredient listed is ethyl alcohol. I'll be meeting with some of the gang tomorrow and some are vapers. I'll have to check if they take any precautions or had any ill affects. I've been vaping for almost a year and I've never had any unwanted urges which I've gotten from taking Nyquil which I now avoid like the plague.
What a conundrum; relapsing, popcorn lung or smoking. I'll continue vaping and take my chances.

Hi there bud,
I don't think these small amounts will effect all of us in the same way, as I said I got no cravings whatsoever (and neither did I when I ate a desert that contained alcohol I didn't know about), but due to the extent of damaged metabolic pathways, even these small amounts make me physically ill (which has been the very first sign for me that I have accidentally ingested!) - if I were to actually relapse, I am sure it would hospitalise me in quite short order!

In others these small amounts may or may not trigger urges, or it may just cause the disquieting of the mind, body or spirit perhaps.

Cheers!

Shaun.

 

[Capt.shay]

Well, if I had to, I would quite vaping rather than risk my sobriety. The fact of the matter is that if you leave the cap off, the alcohol evaporates out. After 24 hours with the cap off, the juice would contain less alcohol than a ripe banana and unless a banana sets you off, you should be fine.

That being said, it is easy enough to avoid alcohol base's if you feel you must. All manufacturers list alcohol as an ingredient if they are using it. Just check the manufacturer specs. LorAnn clearly states when alcohol is in a flavoring.

 

[Dearth Vapir]

Well, if I had to, I would quite vaping rather than risk my sobriety. The fact of the matter is that if you leave the cap off, the alcohol evaporates out. After 24 hours with the cap off, the juice would contain less alcohol than a ripe banana and unless a banana sets you off, you should be fine.

That being said, it is easy enough to avoid alcohol base's if you feel you must. All manufacturers list alcohol as an ingredient if they are using it. Just check the manufacturer specs. LorAnn clearly states when alcohol is in a flavoring.

"The fact of the matter is... " - Oooooo ya wanna perhaps be careful with that kinda phrase lol - these sorts of 'facts' rarely turn out to be what they seem, given enough time and perspective ',;~}~

Alcohol evaporates more slowly in miscible combinations with high BP liquids such as PG or VG than it does in pure form, and it doesn't just all magically vanish into the ambient air because the cap's left off, especially not the 'ambient' air of the (brrr!) north of England in winter lol! I would hazard a guess that left out opened at least 50% of it would remain even after a few days at room temps here.

As I stated I even tried to boil it off in the microwave but it didn't work sufficiently - the last stubborn bits remained and were clearly detectable.

As for ripe bananas, well I've never vaped one!

I'm aware LorAnn lists their alcohol as an ingredient *now* - this episode lead me to becoming much more vigilant and aware as I said in my OP, and I have since checked every single item I've bought, so on that front I'm certainly no longer risking my sobriety or health - I just wondered if anyone had compiled a list of ingredients of various popular makes of concentrates, or a list of those that def. do contain alcohol, to make juice shopping easier for those wishing or needing to avoid it - that was the only question I actually posed, but I thank you for your considered input nevertheless.

Cheers, and be well!

Shaun/DV ',;~}~

 

[Capt.shay]

Hope I didn't sound to flippant as that was my intention.

To answer your question directly, after hanging around here for a couple of years, I have never seen a list of alcohol free flavors. This topic has come up before and the evaporation technique has proven effect enough for most that I just don't think that any one has felt it necessary to make a list. I personally don't use them because I don't like the way they behave in my mixes.

I'm glad you have found materials that you vape safely Like I said before, if I had to, I would quit vaping before I let it effect my sobriety. But, I wouldn't be happy about it .

Peace

 

[Dearth Vapir]

Hope I didn't sound to flippant as that was my intention.

To answer your question directly, after hanging around here for a couple of years, I have never seen a list of alcohol free flavors. This topic has come up before and the evaporation technique has proven effect enough for most that I just don't think that any one has felt it necessary to make a list. I personally don't use them because I don't like the way they behave in my mixes.

I'm glad you have found materials that you vape safely Like I said before, if I had to, I would quit vaping before I let it effect my sobriety. But, I wouldn't be happy about it .

Peace

No, no worries bud - was concerned myself that I might have come over a bit facetious, where I was just intending humour ',;~}~

I think letting it sit opened lets enough out that it softens the way it feels when vaped, least that's how it used to feel to me 'back in the day' when I didn't have this problem as such and still drank.

And believe me, if I thought vaping would effect my sobriety I'd drop it like hot lava - I've worked FAR too hard to kick it into touch (and pot, and cigs, and even coffee ffs!!!) and keep my life, and we have a little one on the way too so I have more than enough reason, let alone motivation lol!

I have only the slightest of nic addictions as it is, and vape mostly for the flavour and sheer joy of it - just got a new 26650 rig (Buddha Zephyr clone and 4nines copper clone), and am gonna have to drop below my 0.2mg/ml max. vg DIY blends as it stands, but I'm loving this flavour and smooooth lung hit SO much right now I'd hate to have to kick this as well ',;~}~

Cheers again fella,

Shaun/DV

 

[Dougiestyle]

You know PG is an alcohol, right? Not ethyl alcohol, but the "ol" in Glycol designates it as such.

I'm guessing, by your description of suffered effects, that at some point, you experienced an OD? That's the only plausible reason for your physical revolt of the substance.

I'm sorry you have the issue. Good luck!

 

[Dearth Vapir]

You know PG is an alcohol, right? Not ethyl alcohol, but the "ol" in Glycol designates it as such.

I'm guessing, by your description of suffered effects, that at some point, you experienced an OD? That's the only plausible reason for your physical revolt of the substance.

I'm sorry you have the issue. Good luck!

Aye mate I am reasonably well up on chemistry (was my favourite subject back in the day and I took the subject at college as part of my degree foundation course (along with biology), and it's something that still holds my interest now as does physics and the sciences generally) and I am aware of that - same with glycerine (glycerol) and even the common sweeteners sorbitol and manitol - 'sugar alcohols'. However I'm also aware that they behave far from the same way when it comes to the human body, direct effects and metabolic pathways etc.

And no I've never suffered an 'overdose' (singular)as such, just years of very heavy, constant (*every* *waking* *moment*) alcoholic abuse consuming the questionably 'prodigious' amounts that only someone with extreme ETOH tolerance could do and survive, and that's following the rest of my previous adult life where I was merely a typical very heavy drinker (nights and weekends and holidays etc.) - tbh the quality of my health is nothing short of miraculous, considering.

This development only occurred after the last time I 'fell off the wagon' and ended up drinking neat spirits round the clock like it was water - all 'real alcoholics' no longer metabolise ETOH normally, which is why the smallest amounts, however ingested almost invariably trigger cravings. However with me it seems that somewhere along the line I started producing toxic metabolites (maybe some kind of aldehydes?!?), although the jury's still out on exactly What The Proverbial is going on.

However I've emerged from this SOBER, with life, limb and most of my health intact; still with a home, a loving family, still married and with a child on the way.

You can bet you've rarely spoken to a 'luckier' guy (if you believe in luck as I don't!), but it's been one helluvah battle, right up until *I* gave up fighting, that is. ',;~}~

Cheers fella, and thanks for listening.

Shaun.

 

[Dougiestyle]

Wow! Congrats to your success and future kid!

PS I walk in a lucky man's shoes. (Dec 2000- No seatbelt+icy road=crushed skull, broken neck, fractured pelvis, severed optic nerve, Christmas in a coma) Blessed to be alive and fully functional (except that monocular thing).

 

[Dearth Vapir]

Wow! Congrats to your success and future kid!

PS I walk in a lucky man's shoes. (Dec 2000- No seatbelt+icy road=crushed skull, broken neck, fractured pelvis, severed optic nerve, Christmas in a coma) Blessed to be alive and fully functional (except that monocular thing).

!!! Yup, miracle we're both alive and able to post here eh! - Nearly lost my left leg in a *25mph* MC accident in '99 as well - luckily all I have to show for it now is a prmanently installed ~20'' piece of Ti tubing (hip to knee down centre of femur) and a similar length scar. When my kid-to-be is old enough to ask it's gonna be one helluvah shark bite though heheheh...

Cheers again Dougie - be well!

Shaun.