For me, it's an 801 on a mod. My Chuck and I are inseparable but if I were recommending to someone who's never vaped before, I would (and have) suggest a standard 801 like the RN4072. It's not overly complicated nor expensive, the cartridges are a decent size and the batteries last for several hours.
Which PV do you recommend to a newbie?
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We're past 100 votes, therefore, I think a little comment is in order. But please, keep voting!
I had expected the 510 atty to get most of the votes, but so far, the results are even clearer than I had expected: 57.5% would recommend a 510 type, 37% a plain 510, 15% an eGo, 6% a 510 on a mod. (Numbers slightly rounded.) I consider it quite likely that the number of those who recommend an eGo instead of a plain 510 will rise, but of course, the plain 510 has its advantages, so it won't sink into oblivion any time soon.
Cartomizers are at 28%, with 83% of those recommending one recommending a plain one, 17% recommending a mod.
What did surprise me was how few recommendations other types got: The 801 is at 6%, the 901 at 4%. All other 3-part minis are at 2%, super-minis at 3%. Nobody so far recommends a pipe or a cigar for a beginner any more. But the 801 and 901 do really surprise me. Given that both are still quite popular here, I would have expected more people to recommend them. When the BabyJ hits the market, that may of course change. (Well, new products are the reason this poll will only run for three months.)
What I found very noticeable was mods, and how many or few people recommended a mod, relative to the unmodded version: If one counts the Janty Stick as a mod, then half of those recommending getting a 801 or a 901 recommend a mod. For the 510, only 13% recommend a mod (and that is not counting the eGo at all), for Cartos, 17%. Those numbers are considerably lower, indicating, in my opinion, that batteries have improved very considerably; not so much in time of vaping, but in reliabiliy. Of course, the manual battery very likely had a lot to do with that, too.
I did by the way not count the eGo in at all above, because it would seem slightly unfair to count the Janty Stick as a mod, and not the eGo. But in my opinion, users can handle the eGo exactly like a "normal" PV, and not like a mod. Counting the eGo as a "normal" PV, the number of people recommending a mod with a 510 system drops to 10% of those recommending a 510 system, counting it as a mod, it rises to 36%.
All in all, so far it seems I do not have to reconsider the recommendation on my website, where I recommend an eGo first and a plain 510 second. I've already explained why I am not going to recommend a cartomizer system at all, currently. I'd like to, only at the moment I can't. What I still don't know is what to recommend as a second system, for variety or as an alternative. Maybe I'll just wait for the BabyJ and have a look at that first, or maybe I'll go with my initial idea of a 901. But there's so much other stuff to write, probably I'll just wait.
I had expected the 510 atty to get most of the votes, but so far, the results are even clearer than I had expected: 57.5% would recommend a 510 type, 37% a plain 510, 15% an eGo, 6% a 510 on a mod. (Numbers slightly rounded.) I consider it quite likely that the number of those who recommend an eGo instead of a plain 510 will rise, but of course, the plain 510 has its advantages, so it won't sink into oblivion any time soon.
Cartomizers are at 28%, with 83% of those recommending one recommending a plain one, 17% recommending a mod.
What did surprise me was how few recommendations other types got: The 801 is at 6%, the 901 at 4%. All other 3-part minis are at 2%, super-minis at 3%. Nobody so far recommends a pipe or a cigar for a beginner any more. But the 801 and 901 do really surprise me. Given that both are still quite popular here, I would have expected more people to recommend them. When the BabyJ hits the market, that may of course change. (Well, new products are the reason this poll will only run for three months.)
What I found very noticeable was mods, and how many or few people recommended a mod, relative to the unmodded version: If one counts the Janty Stick as a mod, then half of those recommending getting a 801 or a 901 recommend a mod. For the 510, only 13% recommend a mod (and that is not counting the eGo at all), for Cartos, 17%. Those numbers are considerably lower, indicating, in my opinion, that batteries have improved very considerably; not so much in time of vaping, but in reliabiliy. Of course, the manual battery very likely had a lot to do with that, too.
I did by the way not count the eGo in at all above, because it would seem slightly unfair to count the Janty Stick as a mod, and not the eGo. But in my opinion, users can handle the eGo exactly like a "normal" PV, and not like a mod. Counting the eGo as a "normal" PV, the number of people recommending a mod with a 510 system drops to 10% of those recommending a 510 system, counting it as a mod, it rises to 36%.
All in all, so far it seems I do not have to reconsider the recommendation on my website, where I recommend an eGo first and a plain 510 second. I've already explained why I am not going to recommend a cartomizer system at all, currently. I'd like to, only at the moment I can't. What I still don't know is what to recommend as a second system, for variety or as an alternative. Maybe I'll just wait for the BabyJ and have a look at that first, or maybe I'll go with my initial idea of a 901. But there's so much other stuff to write, probably I'll just wait.
I voted for the 510 since that is my first and only pv. I also would say for first timers to research the devices in order to learn how they work etc. Through two months of vaping i have learned that wicking on the 510 is slow, and dripping is an amazing way to use a 510 with manual battery. Now today i received a t tip and love it!!! better vapor, easier dripping.
Now im looking at getting myself a mod but not to sure on which one??? or if i really need one... the 510 seems to me to be a perfect device in itself...battery life sucks but with a pcc no problem!!! yet still curious of the advantages of a mod
Now im looking at getting myself a mod but not to sure on which one??? or if i really need one... the 510 seems to me to be a perfect device in itself...battery life sucks but with a pcc no problem!!! yet still curious of the advantages of a mod
Stay away from Totally Wicked and the Tornado. They have crap warranties, 28 days vs 6 months on Janty, Dietsmokes and NO DOA coverage on multipack batts and attys. Janty and Dietsmokes will replace DOAs from multipacks.
I used to recommend the 510 back when I was using it. (I still use it, but only occasionally). I now recommend the KR8 due to easy learning curve, and because it takes a lot less fiddling around with to keep it performing well.
Excellent poll and interesting thread. Is the poll being "tracked" for a possible trend thru its coarse? How I just voted may not be the same as 3 months from now (hope not though).
That's always difficult to do with forum polls. Instead, this one will close, and there will be a new one in three months, then a new one three months after that, and so on. As long as I or somebody else remembers, at least.
It's got to be a new one from time to time, because new PVs do come out occasionally.
It's got to be a new one from time to time, because new PVs do come out occasionally.
I recommend the Joye 510 or the Kr8, depending on my "take" on the person.
For example, here on ECF, when someone says s/he wants something hassle-free (and s/he doesn't emphasize vapor production), Kr8 is the obvious choice. [I just wrote a user's guide for a Kr8 supplier; it was a lot shorter than any of my other guides.]
If the person doesn't emphasize the hassle factor and/or emphasizes the vapor, the 510 gets the nod. From now on, if I also get a sense that $100 upfront (including e-liquid) would not be off-putting, it will be the eGO/Tornado (depending on which is in stock).
Very few smokers are open to a mod initially ... and I am sad to say that most look askance at my beloved penstyle.
For example, here on ECF, when someone says s/he wants something hassle-free (and s/he doesn't emphasize vapor production), Kr8 is the obvious choice. [I just wrote a user's guide for a Kr8 supplier; it was a lot shorter than any of my other guides.
]If the person doesn't emphasize the hassle factor and/or emphasizes the vapor, the 510 gets the nod. From now on, if I also get a sense that $100 upfront (including e-liquid) would not be off-putting, it will be the eGO/Tornado (depending on which is in stock).
Very few smokers are open to a mod initially ... and I am sad to say that most look askance at my beloved penstyle.
Dripping requires even less fiddling than the cartomizer refilling
I recommend the Joye 510 or the Kr8, depending on my "take" on the person.
For example, here on ECF, when someone says s/he wants something hassle-free (and s/he doesn't emphasize vapor production), Kr8 is the obvious choice. [I just wrote a user's guide for a Kr8 supplier; it was a lot shorter than any of my other guides.
If the person doesn't emphasize the hassle factor and/or emphasizes the vapor, the 510 gets the nod. From now on, if I also get a sense that $100 upfront (including e-liquid) would not be off-putting, it will be the eGO/Tornado (depending on which is in stock).
Very few smokers are open to a mod initially ... and I am sad to say that most look askance at my beloved penstyle.
If only everyone were able to make recommendations in such a way, instead of trying to push one specific model from one specific vendor of their choice, all of the "newbies" would be better informed.
I did exactly this earlier today.
My friend is not willing to spend the money on an eGo to try out PVs, but she was enthused to know that when she's tired of swapping out batts all day, she can upgrade to the eGo by just buying a few pieces instead of a whole kit. I started with an eGo, and it was a good choice for me. But because I had serious problems with it at first, I also told my friend the things I wish I'd known right off, like carts suck so she should consider dripping from the start. Too often, when newbies come asking questions, the "bad" parts are glossed over. She still wants to try it, and now her expectations are not so high that the current technology can't live up to them.
Jep, while I do recommend the eGo/510, I immediately recommend adding a straw to a cart and remove some filling, and next proper Fluval+Straw-mod. (That way, people don't have to buy Fluval before they even tried, and so far nobody found the straw so scary that it put them off.)
Neatly illustrated how-to, and they are good to go.
Neatly illustrated how-to, and they are good to go.
For a noob, it's always the KR8. It's simple.
Mods, DIY, etc can wait until they have decided if vaping is for them. As smokers, we really didn't spend much time fussing. Go to the store, buy some butts, open it, spark it up and you're good to go. About the fanciest I ever got was tamping the pack on cheapos to pack the tobacco tighter.
Give an addict an excuse not to try and they won't. I say keep it simple and let them find their own way once they commit to it.
Mods, DIY, etc can wait until they have decided if vaping is for them. As smokers, we really didn't spend much time fussing. Go to the store, buy some butts, open it, spark it up and you're good to go. About the fanciest I ever got was tamping the pack on cheapos to pack the tobacco tighter.
Give an addict an excuse not to try and they won't. I say keep it simple and let them find their own way once they commit to it.
I sure wish one could recommend KR8s, very easy to use. But until that matter with the burning filling isn't resolved, that is the one which I most certainly won't recommend. Most people want to get away from inhaling unpleasant stuff, not aquire a new source for it.
I would recommend a eGo hands down to anyone as their first unit. I like the 510 atty and with the ego you will get much better battery life than the std. 510 set up. When someone first starts off, they tend to look for the same experience as they got with an analog and this is why the std 510 is so highly suggested. Which is fine being you will receive a better TH with a 510 but a newbie tends to get very frustrated by the battery life of a std 510. The eGo solves this issue and with the added cone will give a fuller vaping experience.
I've had trouble with every single cart mod I've tried, including that one.
With the others, I wondered if I had done the cart mod incorrectly, but that one? Seriously, I think my six year old son could put that one together. My nine year old son could do it just from the pics. So, maybe I use my PV just a little differently, maybe it's just a personal preference. *shrug* I don't know. But dripping at least gave me the ability to use my PV while I tried different cart mods, and it's given me the ability to continue to use my PV now that I've (pretty much) given up on cart mods. So I think it's a good thing to know, just in case. But I'll give my friend instructions on how to do the straw mod, too, in case her experiences more closely parallel yours than mine.We're all addicts, and we're managing. Just because one is an addict, it doesn't logically follow that one wants to remain an addict, or that one wouldn't desire a switch to a safer alternative if one existed. That argument really only applies to people who have no desire to quit smoking whatsoever. And for people like that, the "you can use it in places where you can't smoke" argument goes over pretty well.
I only came across references to this problem yesterday afternoon/evening, and it has me very concerned (and irritated, since I bought new cartos to try yesterday morning). Sure, people are arguing that this is a problem only for newbies who don't know what they're doing, and people who are abusing their cartos. Unfortunately, the testimonies combined with pictoral evidence are not supporting these claims. And even if the problem is limited to people who don't quite understand how to treat cartos, that's exactly who newbies are.
I was going to send my mama some to try since I did want to make things as simple as possible for her. But she has COPD, so her lungs are far more delicate. How can I hand her a product that might have her inhaling burning filling? The answer is, I can't. Nor can I in good conscience ever recommend someone trying them without letting him know that many people have had this issue. It would be different if the problem were limited to just one or two people, but it doesn't appear to be.
I drip at home, but use cartos when I'm out and about. I have some cartos that came prefilled and have never been refilled; they've reached the "slight change in taste and vapor" stage that people recommend as the signal to refill. I'm going to donate a couple of these to science and rip them apart later to see what I find. But even if I find nothing, I don't feel like I can completely disregard the experiences of so many others.
I understand your concerns and agree that they are valid.
I have scorched a few early on but have not had that problem since.
We all have our favorite PVs and that's what we are going to reccommend. Several distributors are constantly working on improving the cartos and I think that issue will get itself sorted out sooner, rather than later.
I prefer the Cartos for the simplicity and that's what I tell folks.
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