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LyLyV

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Who'd a thunk vaping would help me understand ohms law?

Why this is such an elusive topic, I'll never know. I got an 'A' in physics (conceptual physics, but stil...). ...I still had difficulty with the electricity part. I work in IT. I get almost everything, but this concept is, for whatever reason, still challenging for me. This is why I don't ever see myself owning a mechanical mod :p
 

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Btw, was it you who told me it’s the 3 second rule?
If it was you, you are correct and I’m a dirty, little :censored:.

However, I make a habit of not chucking food on the floor and counting to 10 ;)
yeah, it takes weeks and weeks for it to start moving by itself. No point in counting.
 

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Huh??
You get it,
but it’s still challenging and you won’t own a mech. Ever?
When I say I "get it," I mean, I am starting to get it. As soon as I think I get it, it flies right outta my head, lol .... And, I don't think so. I dunno. I really don't wanna take the risk of something blowing up in my face. Who has time for that? ;)
 
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You certainly don't necessarily need to understand the Ohm's Law formula. I don't; I hate math and chemistry calculations.

You should know how to use a simple online Ohm's Law calculator, though. Add two known values and the calculator will supply the other two values for you.

ohms_law_calculator.png


I tried to simplify Ohm's Law from a vaping perspective here: Ohm's Law Explained for Vapers

Concerning the Ohm's Law calculator and using a rebuildable coil on a mech, there's this:
Hope these help. :)
 
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You don't need to have the specifics floating around in your brain forever. I read a lot of mech mod posts not "getting it" until someone wrote the most brilliant explanation ever, and things finally clicked (for me). I just saved that post and will refer to it if and when I build a mech. Which is when I really need to understand in terms of batteries and build and safety, (although as a MTL vaper, I don't supremely worry about whether my build will be too much for whatever battery I select and etc.) what worries me about mechs is the consistency needed to operate one safely..

I am sure someday I will build a mech, but I doubt I'd be the brave soul carrying it about in my pocket and etc.

But, lots of folks are/will never vape a mech mod, period. At this point, (I have a couple stashed) I don't see a grave need to break one out (although curiosity may get the best of me yet) and start using it, but I know I can probably do so safely.... When and whether I will is up for debate. I think many vapers in this environment want to have one to hand, but seriously my regulated mods are good enough for me, and etc. :)

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You certainly don't need to know Ohms law in its entirety to use a mech mod, info like that put me off from doing it for so long.

As long as you fully check your build for shorts and ensure the build is within the CDR of your chosen cell the rest is common sense really.

The reward... a device that is truly reliable and most likely extremely compact and beautiful! Oh and the smoothest and most responsive Vape you ever had!





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I get almost everything, but this concept is, for whatever reason, still challenging for me. This is why I don't ever see myself owning a mechanical mod :p
From a safety perspective, there's not a whole lot to it. What specifically is giving you the trouble?

1: Your battery has an amp limit.*
2: Don't go over that limit.**

*(Don't go by what it says on the cell's wrapper or vendor's website; check @Mooch's blog for his latest charts and test results and choose an appropriate battery from a trusted vendor.)

**(The amp draw of your device is a simple arithmetic calculation. We always use "worst-case" voltage for safety purposes, so you don't have to measure your battery to find out what the voltage is. Just assume it's either at full charge of 4.2 on a mech, or near cutoff voltage of 3.0 on a regulated [for single-cell devices. Multiple batteries make the calculations a bit trickier, and can go one of two ways depending on whether they're in series or parallel.] On a mech mod, the amp draw is [4.2 volts] / ["???" ohms], on a regulated it's ["???" watts setting] / [3.0 volts].)

On a mech mod you should also familiarize yourself with the current path and exactly how the energy is going to transfer from one end of the battery, through (usually) the body of the mod or (sometimes) by some other method up to the atomizer, through the coil and back into the battery, and also how the switch operates. Becoming familiar with these aspects of your device allows you to more effectively check for and prevent potential short-circuits. Keep the device and especially all parts of the circuit path clean and debris-free, and always check the atomizer's resistance (with the top cap attached) on a regulated device or stand-alone ohm reader before firing it on a mech mod.

This should be enough to get you vaping safely, at least. As for where to go from there, well, that's a much longer post.
 
This is why I don't ever see myself owning a mechanical mod
I don't see why you would ever need to own a mechanical mod. A modern variable watt mod will run up as high as you ever need to go. Ohm's law is cool and worth knowing but I just make sure I have good batteries, set the wattage and let my mod worry about the details. SeeYa,
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I don't see why you would ever need to own a mechanical mod. A modern variable watt mod will run up as high as you ever need to go.
Nobody “needs” to own a mech mod but they are simple, rugged, and reliable. It’s no longer about ultra-low ohm, high wattage vaping (modern regulated devices have a pretty good handle on that, as you mentioned) so much as it’s about having a device that will still be functioning, given a little T.L.C, when your great-grandkids inherit it in a hundred years. The microprocessors in our regulated devices don’t really have that kind of lifespan...
 

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From a safety perspective, there's not a whole lot to it. What specifically is giving you the trouble?

1: Your battery has an amp limit.*
2: Don't go over that limit.**

*(Don't go by what it says on the cell's wrapper or vendor's website; check @Mooch's blog for his latest charts and test results and choose an appropriate battery from a trusted vendor.)

**(The amp draw of your device is a simple arithmetic calculation. We always use "worst-case" voltage for safety purposes, so you don't have to measure your battery to find out what the voltage is. Just assume it's either at full charge of 4.2 on a mech, or near cutoff voltage of 3.0 on a regulated [for single-cell devices. Multiple batteries make the calculations a bit trickier, and can go one of two ways depending on whether they're in series or parallel.] On a mech mod, the amp draw is [4.2 volts] / ["???" ohms], on a regulated it's ["???" watts setting] / [3.0 volts].)

On a mech mod you should also familiarize yourself with the current path and exactly how the energy is going to transfer from one end of the battery, through (usually) the body of the mod or (sometimes) by some other method up to the atomizer, through the coil and back into the battery, and also how the switch operates. Becoming familiar with these aspects of your device allows you to more effectively check for and prevent potential short-circuits. Keep the device and especially all parts of the circuit path clean and debris-free, and always check the atomizer's resistance (with the top cap attached) on a regulated device or stand-alone ohm reader before firing it on a mech mod.

This should be enough to get you vaping safely, at least. As for where to go from there, well, that's a much longer post.
See, now, you just went right over my head, lol
 

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The discussion with my son started when I was telling him that I was adjusting the watts on my device, and he said "No you're not, you're adjusting the voltage" ...Which becomes so confusing as the end-user, when the up-down buttons literally change the perceived wattage (that reads out on the screen), and not volts. (This all being said, I used to use the variable voltage batteries... So I kind of get it.) Eeerg. :/
 
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I was telling him that I was adjusting the watts on my device, and he said "No you're not, you're adjusting the voltage"
Well, he's wrong. If you're in power mode voltage is inaccessible to you and is by no means a constant once you set the wattage. Proven by the fact that if you change atomizer resistance (eg by screwing on a different atomizer) the wattage will stay the same but the voltage will change...

The board is taking care of calculating and adjusting the voltage when you're in power mode, you're not setting it to one specific voltage.
 
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Ohms law as it relates to unregulated single battery mods is not rocket surgery.
The resistance of the coil controls the amount of amperage drawn from the battery, and therefore the wattage delivered to it. Calculate the maximum amps used, based on a fully charged battery at 4.2 volts. As the charge decreases, so will the amount of power and amperage used.

I = amps V = volts R = resistance P = watts

To find the amp draw use I=V/R
Eg. divide 4.2v by 0.5Ω = 8.4 amps

To find the wattage use P=V²/R
Eg. 4.2v multiplied by 4.2v divided by 0.5Ω = 35 watts


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My kid got me watching this YouTuber... He repairs motherboards people send him - it's truly fascinating to watch. This one video is particularly worth watching (for me anyway - anyone one still struggling with this concept):


Another good one is AvE:

 
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