Who's idea was it to add a cannabis vaping section?

[zapped]

That article confirms what I said. Hemp and Hemp based products are legal, MJ and MJ based products are not.

Did you read the article in its entirety?

Or did you just cherry pick the content that agreed with your statement?

It's legally federally but according to the very article you quoted: Although hemp-derived cbd is now federally legal, many states and cities are updating their laws and they're not always in line with federal regulations.

Further down the page is a U.S map that shows three states where cbd is prohibited for any use.

 

[scott58]

...... madness all over again.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

This forum is more than just one person

Correct – a forum is more than just one person, but yet you are a single voice, voicing a single opinion. This forum caters to everyone worldwide who is not bound to internet restrictions or censorship set by their regions. Despite the US subscriber base may be the majority, this is an international forum. So should it cater to just your regional laws, or cater to a world wide audience?

 

[sonicbomb]

I would be interested in @Oliver opinion on this as no other mods have voiced any

 

[Eskie]

Well, given I'm not a pothead, so hopefully my opinion means at least a little, the discussion of cannabis is in its own forum. No one has to go and read or participate there. That CBD is now a common products sold by just about all the major vape vendors we buy from, and given the now months long situation of what appears to be a THC related acute lung injury with that chronically conflated my the media and the public as "vaping", open discussion is is useful for all members, even if they don't use those products. Why that seems to be such an insult to a member here is difficult to understand, but we're all entitled to our own opinions, all of whom for better or worse carry the same weight.

 

[ScottP]

Did you read the article in its entirety?

Or did you just cherry pick the content that agreed with your statement?

It's legally federally but according to the very article you quoted: Although hemp-derived CBD is now federally legal, many states and cities are updating their laws and they're not always in line with federal regulations.

Further down the page is a U.S map that shows three states where CBD is prohibited for any use.

Being condescending doesn't help your argument. At no point did I say it was legal in all 50 states, I said that I didn't know about individual States, but that Hemp and Hemp based products were made legal at the federal level. That article confirmed exactly that. Yes it did point out some areas that changed local laws, but I never said they didn't.

As I said earlier, if this change is permanent then I will no longer be a member here

If that is the way you feel, then I'm sorry. We hate to see members leave. Sadly this is the way things are going. I don't even use these products, but I do understand the decision. We kept nicotine vaping from being associated with vaping CBD and/or THC for as long as we could but now the media, the CDC, the FDA, and politicians have done it publicly, forcibly, and against our wishes. It no longer matters if we talk about it here or not the connection has been made. The world isn't going to come here to check and see what we think. In the end you have to do what you think is right for you. You can still post to ECF and never even see those threads though. They do not show up in the "Latest Replies" box, they are tucked away in their own isolated sub forum.

As for me, I am kind of appreciative of them. I am just 3 years younger than you but I already have arthritis that gets pretty bad in the winter. So far it is somewhat manageable with occasional NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug) but it's getting worse every year and I am worried about what these NSAIDs are doing to my Kidneys and Liver. Sadly I already know in the next few years I will need some sort of full time solution just to keep my mobility and use of my hands. Those forums are allowing me to explore LEGAL CBD as a potential option that could be less harmful than a hand full of daily pills. Isn't harm reduction what this site is all about?

 

[Tabac man]

To conform to the reasons given for opening up the THC debate, simply having a sub forum to discuss the current THC health related problems and dangers, and how it is affecting the vaping community, would have been sufficient. Instead we have discussions on all things cannabis. Not quite the same thing and not exactly true to the reasons given for the change.

We are not all stoned enough not to notice.

 

[Opinionated]

Well, given I'm not a pothead, so hopefully my opinion means at least a little, the discussion of cannabis is in its own forum. No one has to go and read or participate there. That CBD is now a common products sold by just about all the major vape vendors we buy from, and given the now months long situation of what appears to be a THC related acute lung injury with that chronically conflated my the media and the public as "vaping", open discussion is is useful for all members, even if they don't use those products. Why that seems to be such an insult to a member here is difficult to understand, but we're all entitled to our own opinions, all of whom for better or worse carry the same weight.

I agree with the OP on the level that I DO think it's important to differentiate ourselves from the pot-users, now more than ever as vaping is getting attacked based on their issues and not our own..

we used to be able to show the difference by pointing to this forum and say see, we are vaping nicotine for smoking cessation and not involved in illicit drugs..

We cant do that any more, now we have to pick apart people's posts to figure out whether they are having equipment issues due to their drugs not wicking or their mismatched drug cartridges not making a proper connection or whether they are eliquid issues we know about and can actually help to solve..

That's ridiculous.. I mean, we all, or at least most of us, only know about nicotine vaping and now there are all these drug users and we can't even send them on their way...

I have the cannabis forum on ignore because I have nothing to offer there, but this is all over the forum, in new members in general discussion etc..

hell, I'm learning even with that forum on ignore who all the drug users are here.. that shows how much it's bleeding everywhere.

 

[Eskie]

I agree with the OP on the level that I DO think it's important to differentiate ourselves from the pot-users, now more than ever as vaping is getting attacked based on their issues and not our own..

we used to be able to show the difference by pointing to this forum and say see, we are vaping nicotine for smoking cessation and not involved in illicit drugs..

We cant do that any more, now we have to pick apart people's posts to figure out whether they are having equipment issues due to their drugs not wicking or their mismatched drug cartridges not making a proper connection or whether they are eliquid issues we know about and can actually help to solve..

That's ridiculous.. I mean, we all, or at least most of us, only know about nicotine vaping and now there are all these drug users and we can't even send them on their way where they can get help..

I have the cannabis forum on ignore because I have nothing to offer there, but this is all over the forum, in new members in general discussion etc..

hell, I'm learning even with that forum on ignore who all the drug users are here.. that shows how much it's bleeding everywhere.

IDK, it's not something that impacts me. After the first week there I haven't been back to that section as it's not an area of interest. But I also don't see why it's bad for people to have a place with perhaps a greater knowledge base who can obtain information on how to use a product safely, even if its filled with something I don't use. The fact is whatever THC vapers do impacts us. If they can get information and help in the safe use of a product, it's one less potential headline that will affect us. If it was only for people smoking pot I'd question why they're in any section here. But if they're vaping a cannabis oil, it does impact general vaping and they can have their own little area.

Let's face it, the Outside, whether unmoderated or ignored by the forum staff and labelled as a "not ECF" forum, is still a part of this place. Folks wandering in there would sure have a look at vapers having some strong views on subjects not applicable to e liquid vaping, and may form opinions about vapers that may not reflect well on members either.

 

[AvaOrchid]

STILL illicit where you live if you live in the United States.

It's against federal law.

You say that you don't view it as a drug in your mind. But that doesn't change the fact that it is.

There is no such thing as your truth. Only THE truth.

And it is still considered a drug by scientists, doctors, psychologists and other medical professionals.

I understand that the restriction had to be lifted in order for people to talk about this, but their is one hell of a leap from simply doing that to hopping into bed with someone who's already blacked both of your eyes and stolen your wallet.

It's

It isn't our responsibility to teach them the safe usage of these devices, nor is it incumbent on us to educate them about the dangers of vaping oils.

They brought this upon themselves by using these devices outside of their intended purposes and not taking the time to educate themselves properly.

Do you really think they're going to bother reading up on it here? If that were the case, they could have read about the dangers of vaping oils years ago.

We need to distance ourselves as far away from these idiots as possible.

Because if we don't, the next time one of these wastetoids screws up, and its only a matter of time, vapers and potheads will be so inextricably intertwined that we won't have the defense of disassociation. Birds of a feather flock together.

I vape because I don't want to die a slow, painful, horrific death from lung cancer. I'm pretty sure that trump's someone's "need" to get high.

Pot smokers have safer alternatives to vaping oil based cartridges at their disposal. Smoking a joint, a bowl or a hookah, just to name a few.

They prefer our devices because they're more portable and vaping THC makes it easier to hide both the act of getting high and the smell, from other people and authorities.

If they get vaping taken away from us, for their own selfish wants, what alternatives do we have?

It really doesn't matter either way come may this whole show is on its way out of the theater. Vaping is already getting taken away come May of 2020. And that was decided before whatever's going on started to go on that was started in a courtroom when the anti people got in front of the judge and said that the FDA was passing off their responsibilities and they bumped it from 2022 to next year. That being said had people been educated to begin with perhaps they wouldn't have used street drugs oils or whatever happened I think that's been ruled out as they're actually looking at chemical burns not lipidosis in the samples they obtained. You don't need a forum to tie cannabis users to nic vapers that's already been done. Truth be told come May the devices that you used to vape cannabis might be the only legal things left as Governors like to protect their investment and legal marijuana or state legal not federal. That's a money-making opportunity while vaping is a money-losing opportunity

 

[Vapntime]

Did you read the article in its entirety?

Or did you just cherry pick the content that agreed with your statement?

It's legally federally but according to the very article you quoted: Although hemp-derived CBD is now federally legal, many states and cities are updating their laws and they're not always in line with federal regulations.

Further down the page is a U.S map that shows three states where CBD is prohibited for any use.

Just so you know. Vaping is not safe and may become illegal. Will you then become a drug addict....

 

[DeloresRose]

That article confirms what I said. Hemp and Hemp based products are legal, MJ and MJ based products are not.

The OP is about the cannabis forum. And what I said, CBD is ‘legal under certain circumstances’ not unilaterally, not 100%. This fairly easy to understand article, states that.

Also, CBD is entirely different topic than the legality or lack there of regarding other substances.

Cannabis- weed, pot, THC- is illegal federally. And locally, for many of us. That’s my point.

It’s no matter who started this forum or what their purpose was or is, it’s a slippery slope allowing conversations about criminal activity, whether it’s legal in one place or not, and whether some people approve of and/or participate in that criminal activity.

Not all of us wish to be associated and I can’t understand why that’s so hard for some people to grasp.

 

[Mowgli]

plonk

 

[Vapntime]

The OP is about the cannabis forum. And what I said, CBD is ‘legal under certain circumstances’ not unilaterally, not 100%. This fairly easy to understand article, states that.

Also, CBD is entirely different topic than the legality or lack there of regarding other substances.

Cannabis- weed, pot, THC- is illegal federally. And locally, for many of us. That’s my point.

It’s no matter who started this forum or what their purpose was or is, it’s a slippery slope allowing conversations about criminal activity, whether it’s legal in one place or not, and whether some people approve of and/or participate in that criminal activity.

Not all of us wish to be associated and I can’t understand why that’s so hard for some people to grasp.

You are weak minded. E-liquid with nicotine is illegal in Australia. Does that mean I don't want to associate with you or participate in the forum and criminal activity on ECF? I don't understand why that is so hard for some people to grasp...

 

[Tabac man]

Eliquid with nicotine isn't illegal in Australia is it??? I thought only selling it is illegal.

 

[CMD-Ky]

You are weak minded. E-liquid with nicotine is illegal in Australia. Does that mean I don't want to associate with you or participate in the forum and criminal activity on ECF? I don't understand why that is so hard for some people to grasp...

Not agreeing with your opinions is not indicative of having a weak mind. What seems so hard for some people to grasp is that is that disagreeing with the opinions of others is an acceptable activity.

 

[Vapntime]

Not agreeing with your opinions does not equal having a weak mind. What seems so hard for some to grasp is that is that disagreeing with the opinions of others is an acceptable activity.

It is when you need someone to tell you what's right and wrong and also what's good and bad. If you can't work that much out you may as well off yourself... Hasn't this happened before in history...

 

[Vapntime]

Eliquid with nicotine isn't illegal in Australia is it??? I thought only selling it is illegal.

No it's illegal to possess in all States.

RACGP - E-cigarettes and the law in Australia

 

[CMD-Ky]

It is when you need someone to tell you what's right and wrong and also what's good and bad. If you can't work that much out you may as well off yourself... Hasn't this happened before in history...

Buddy, with that comment, I'll leave you to it and with the hope that you never attain political power.

 

[AttyPops]

Associating with Tax Collectors....and SINNERS!
Anyway, religion aside, let's see:

The OP is correct, that THC is a drug. Yeah, loosely, everything we consume is "a drug" in that it has an effect. But there's more accurate stricter definitions. Nicotine is a drug too.

I get that in many people's minds, green-stuff is a completely different category of "stuff". Although alcohol has probably done vastly more harm to society, and we all know how prohibiting THAT went, many of us occasionally imbibe. So we don't "ban" it. There's talk here about it.

As long as they keep it in a separate sub-forum, I suppose I don't care. To each their own.

The OP has a point in that there's a sociological impact to vaping from CBD/THC users being associated with it. I suppose there's a sociological impact to zig-zags too. Even if you roll your own tobacco.

I'm an individual. But I exist in a context, in a society. As we say, YMMV, and I suppose opinions vary too. But I certainly don't consider anyone to be "weak minded" simply because they have an opinion. We all have them. I don't lose my individuality except maybe when my options are RESTRICTED. Often by the excessively negative puritanicals or absolutists. Because then I have less options to be unique.

There's 100 ways to deal with this CBD/THC thing, we've tried one or two so far...in society and on this forum. But the "thing" won't be going anywhere.

I welcome opinions and constructive discussions about almost any topic.