Why are Clone imports accepted in USA, Europe ?

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I´m just asking , if I would try to Import a CLONE ROLEX to my country it woulnt go through. Why is there no restriction on the CHINESE mod, Atomizer Clones ??. I have seen videos where there are some heawy equipments rolling over Clone rolexes,,,,.

Is this because the mod or Atomizer makers didnt get a Patent for their things, or is it just because we dont care nomore, we just allow anyone to copy whatever and sell it where ever he wants ?
 

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I actually question if some of these mod makers have bothered with patents or trademarks

What's there to patent?

Best case scenario is a Trade Mark infringement, obviously not being bothered with.

I'd like to see a company like Surefire try to enforce anything... good luck with that.
 

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What's there to patent?

Best case scenario is a Trade Mark infringement, obviously not being bothered with.

I'd like to see a company like Surefire try to enforce anything... good luck with that.

Exactly. These aren't fakes of legally protected property.

Now, if Coach started making mods, the landscape might change, lol.
 

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Well, it's pretty obvious that the Chinese will clone damn near anything, but when they engrave the original manufacturers logo on the item, that's just going way too far.

How they get away with it is beyond my comprehension.

I guess these little companies that manufacture the authentic items (like SvoëMesto Kayfun, etc) just don't have the money or lawyers to go after these Chinese companies ... And the Chinese communist government just don't seem to care either.


I can tell you that a big company like Coca Cola would sue these Chinese manufacturers in a heartbeat if they ever used there corporate logo on a non-authorized fake item!
 

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Well, it's pretty obvious that the Chinese will clone damn near anything, but when they engrave the original manufacturers logo on the item, that's just going way too far.

How they get away with it is beyond my comprehension.

I guess these little companies that manufacture the authentic items (like SvoëMesto Kayfun, etc) just don't have the money or lawyers to go after these Chinese companies ... And the Chinese communist government just don't seem to care either.


I can tell you that a big company like Coca Cola would sue these Chinese manufacturers in a heartbeat if they ever used there corporate logo on a non-authorized fake item!

I could happily do without the logos, but as Stosh pointed out, there's really nothing that can be done legally because the engravings/designs aren't legally protected.
 

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Pretty soon, we're gonna start seeing these in America with prices 1/2 off the originals.

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There was one for Starbucks but the name would violate forum rules...and I'm pretty sure USA commerce naming rules.
 

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Well, it's pretty obvious that the Chinese will clone damn near anything, but when they engrave the original manufacturers logo on the item, that's just going way too far.

How they get away with it is beyond my comprehension.

I guess these little companies that manufacture the authentic items (like SvoëMesto Kayfun, etc) just don't have the money or lawyers to go after these Chinese companies ... And the Chinese communist government just don't seem to care either.


I can tell you that a big company like Coca Cola would sue these Chinese manufacturers in a heartbeat if they ever used there corporate logo on a non-authorized fake item!

It's beyond your comprehension because you are from a western culture.

Here are some articles which will explain that the idea of "Western" Intellectual Protection ideas were only introduced to China at the beginning of the 20th century, and even then it was introduced from "the outside" usually in the form of threats. 1000's of years of Chinese Philosophy and the Marxist ideas of "collective ownership" fly in the face of Western Ideals of protecting Intellectual Property.

Communism: Public Goods and Intellectual Property

Understanding Chinese Attitudes Towards Intellectual Property (IP) Rights - CIO.com

One could also argue that a company like SvoeMesto has actually 'thrived' due to chinese cloning. While this seems foreign to us, think about this. How many of you would have purchased a Kayfun at over $100.00 sight unseen? How many more Kayfuns and Kayfun Lites have been sold because the user first purchased a clone?

In this case, did the presence of a clone hurt or help SvoeMesto? If a customer who never would have purchased a Kayfun now purchases a Kayfun simply because a lower cost clone was available, then does not both companies win out?

And this is another aspect of Chinese culture. The fact that clones and knockoffs are viewed primarily as advertising for the real thing. It is assumed that a successful design will flourish as clones are available since more people will buy the original once they are satisfied that the "authentic one" will work based on the performance of the clone.

Of course the Chinese manufacturers are also aware of Western attitudes towards counterfeit or cloned items and they exploit that as well.

Consider "The Russian". It is nothing more than a Kayfun 3.1ES clone. However, unlike other clones, this one was built a little better and priced almost identically to the original Kayfun. The story was circulated that the person who manufactureed the Russian was a colleague of SvoeMesto. The two men parted ways and the ex-partner started manufacturing the Kayfun in China under the brand name the "Russian".

The story further "justifies" this action by inferring that the individual was a "co-owner" of the Kayfun design and thus was ethically justified to do this. This of course is a complete fabrication as there is nowhere that you can search on the internet to validate this story, but you see it repeated over and over again as truth.

This "fabrication" has garnered enough repetition on forums that now people actually see the Russian and The Russian 91% (Kayfun Lite Clone) as their own brands instead of the clones that they are.

A person who would never dream of owning a clone buys a R91. There are some people who are talking about how they only purchase a "real" R91 instead of a clone R91. So buying a clone of a clone is bad, but buying the clone is ok....

The "cloners" responsible for marketing "The Russian" must be giggling all the way to the bank....They cloned something and are charging in some cases MORE than the original....How does that happen???
 
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Pretty soon, we're gonna start seeing these in America with prices 1/2 off the originals.

knock-off-kfc-china.jpg


fake-mc-donalds-china-300x213.jpg


There was one for Starbucks but the name would violate forum rules...and I'm pretty sure USA commerce naming rules.

I like this one up in Lukla Nepal. Nothing goes with climbing the world's highest peak better than a cup of faux Starbucks.

lukla-starbucks.jpg
 
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Well, it's pretty obvious that the Chinese will clone damn near anything, but when they engrave the original manufacturers logo on the item, that's just going way too far.

How they get away with it is beyond my comprehension.

It's easy.

Here is how they "get away with it"...
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See the little "R" in the circle at the end? That means it's a legally registered trademark and cannot be copied or cloned.


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Do you see anything identifying that as a registered and legally protected trademark?
 

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Another thing to think about...

A lot of batteries (and now tanks) are actually being manufactured legitimately from China. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that the eGo-series batteries are manufactured in China. With this being the case, it would be next to impossible for customs to inspect every shipment and ensure that the legit mods are being shipped and the clones are not. That's why it's more-over the responsibility of the sales front to check the authenticity of the products they're selling.

I'm actually starting to see more mods that come with a little "authenticity ticket" that has a number you enter on their website to make sure it's not a clone. I believe the first one I saw with this feature is the iTaste MVP 2.0. This is a fantastic counter-measure against clones; however, it is still limited. After all, the customer may not know they've purchased a clone until they get it in the mail and (if they know it normally has one) find out that it doesn't have an authenticity ticket.

As several people have mentioned, the best and really only counter-measure against clones is to have a trademark or registered brand name. That is a legally-binding identification that makes it illegal to copy without expressed permission from the ™ or ® owner. Just to give you an idea, I'm currently using an iTaste MVP 2.0 with a Kanger AeroTank topper. The iTaste brand name has no ™ or ®, but the Kanger AeroTank has "KangerTech ®" etched into it. Even that won't stop a clone from selling that says it's made by "KangersTech".

Chinese clones are a well-known issue and not only with e-cig mods and accessories. I mean, they've cloned the iPhone and sell thousands, if not millions. It's an obvious clone, but that doesn't stop the general population from getting it. Granted, Apple has spent a lot of money to ensure that these clones are not sold in the U.S. - but they are almost as popular as the actual name-brand product in China itself!
 

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Actually if you ordered a single cloned Rolex and it came over in a manilla padded envelope from Fasttech I am sure it would come through just fine. They don't open everything. Now if you order a cargo-container full of cloned Rolexs then I doubt you would ever see them. Those quantities are monitored more closely.
 
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