To remove the Acetyl propionyl from their juice or the very least make them post lab results? Maybe if We collectively did this the market would force them to change. Kudos to vapor shark for providing the testing reports on what they sell.
Why aren't we forcing Eliq vendors
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A couple of reasons imo... First, the jury is still out on whether the levels of diketones we are vaping are even dangerous (cigarettes contain 100X higher concentrations of diacetyl apparently, and no one has ever reported getting popcorn lung directly as a result form the diacetyl on cigarettes). Second, so many flavors contain diketones it would limit the market to just a few flavors. The next best thing is butyric acid... The characteristic flavor of human vomit.
I do agree 100% that all juice vendors should release testing results as to whether their juices contain diketones or not. Just for those who don't want to take the chance. I, on the other hand, am completely happy vaping my Capella's VC V1.
I suggest you read this: The Truth About Diacetyl - Mt Baker Vapor
I do agree 100% that all juice vendors should release testing results as to whether their juices contain diketones or not. Just for those who don't want to take the chance. I, on the other hand, am completely happy vaping my Capella's VC V1.
I suggest you read this: The Truth About Diacetyl - Mt Baker Vapor
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A couple of reasons imo... First, the jury is still out on whether the levels of diketones we are vaping are even dangerous (cigarettes contain 100X more apparently, and no one has ever gotten popcorn lung from them). Second, so many flavors contain diketones it would limit the market to just a few flavors. The next best thing is butyric acid... The characteristics flavor of human vomit.
I do agree 100% that all juice vendors should release testing results as to whether their juices contain diketones or not. Just for those who don't want to take the chance. I, on the other hand, am completely happy vaping my Capella's VC V1.
I think I would disagree with that!
Smoking is the leading cause of Emphysema (Bronchiolitis obliterans), and after over 50 years of smoking will no doubt be the cause of my demise.
I should have said, no one has ever reported getting popcorn lung directly from the diacetyl in cigarettes. It is likely a combination of a few of the 7000 other chemicals... Possibly the diacetyl, possibly not. Edited the above post to reflect.
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I seem to think Diketones are tasty and like them. Some of them anyway. I DIY but some of the Diketone containing flavors are scrumptious.
You want to make juice makers remove them? Don't buy any juice with them in it.
Simple.
or do you want to be like those who leglislate vaping rules?
I do think they should tell which juices has them and other ingredients like artificial sweeteners in them so you can buy them or not based on your preferences.
You want to make juice makers remove them? Don't buy any juice with them in it.
Simple.
or do you want to be like those who leglislate vaping rules?
I do think they should tell which juices has them and other ingredients like artificial sweeteners in them so you can buy them or not based on your preferences.
The only juices I like contain diketones. I guess I'm just doomed if they find out that the levels of these in our juice is dangerous. Oh well.
I started vaping to save money. Not for my health. Found I liked vaping. Plan on keeping liking it.
I try to vape dikatone free yet dont always because they do taste great. We all have been scammed by the "organic" marketing which most of you probably dont even know what I mean. Look up the definition of organic, only non synthetic pesticides...ie arsnic, ie rotenone and those pesky inorganic pesticides we all used to consume with just a few parts per million (just like the dikatones in custard ejuice) didnt harm grandpa. Just trying to help 
If I'm buying juice, which is rarely anymore, I don't really care. I diy and make it a point to only buy flavorings without the potential baddies in them. Wizard labs gives a great overview when you buy them, as does bull city vapor.
A couple of reasons imo... First, the jury is still out on whether the levels of diketones we are vaping are even dangerous (cigarettes contain 100X higher concentrations of diacetyl apparently, and no one has ever reported getting popcorn lung directly as a result form the diacetyl on cigarettes). Second, so many flavors contain diketones it would limit the market to just a few flavors. The next best thing is butyric acid... The characteristic flavor of human vomit.
I do agree 100% that all juice vendors should release testing results as to whether their juices contain diketones or not. Just for those who don't want to take the chance. I, on the other hand, am completely happy vaping my Capella's VC V1.
I suggest you read this: The Truth About Diacetyl - Mt Baker Vapor
I have some pineapple and n-butyric acid flavoured boilies that i use for fishing and they smell disgusting. The fish seem to like the taste of them but i don't think i would like to vape it lol.
I think more research needs to be done into how dangerous the level of diketones found in e liquid is, if at all before banning them outright.
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I think about not buying the good custard flavors, but then i rethink to myself, "Do i really want to get to be thaat old?" And then i get the custard flavor ;p Doubtful about the diacetyl being to harmful of levels in the 10 drops of flavoring i put in my DIM stuff
Another factor to consider is that many of the companies making flavors (besides TFA, who are in the business of supplying flavors just for eliquid) will not disclose the chemicals used in their flavorings. Hell, LorAnn won't even take out the yellow food coloring in their Banana Cream flavor if you request it.
You can't force anyone to do anything - what you can do however, is avoid/opt out of whatever's bothering you.
I'm not for "banning" anything. We here are pretty informed to make decisions but millions out there aren't. Dr f was in a podcast last night and pretty adamant it is very hamful and in some cases more harmful then cigarettes. If we don't self regulate someone worse will. Let's just unite and only buy from sites that post their results. If there is AP in them and you still want to Vape them more power to you!
do you have a link to that podcast or a printed copy of it?
mike
Dr F has only studied Levels and is concerned due to the widely accepted Possibility that Diketones (MAY) Cause, lead to, contribute to Lung disorders.
However No Medical studies have been released Confirming Harm from inhalation at specific levels or over any given time. i.e. This is a Lawyers Disease, not a proven medical condition. Even the CDC has skirted any claim that Diketones are in fact the cause of any given lung disease, even after imposing strict INDUSTRIAL guidelines.
High exposure to Carbon monoxide may kill you. We still drive on crowded highways daily with little regard.
Self Regulate is the Proper course of action. If you don't like it don't do it, But let me decide for myself.
However No Medical studies have been released Confirming Harm from inhalation at specific levels or over any given time. i.e. This is a Lawyers Disease, not a proven medical condition. Even the CDC has skirted any claim that Diketones are in fact the cause of any given lung disease, even after imposing strict INDUSTRIAL guidelines.
High exposure to Carbon monoxide may kill you. We still drive on crowded highways daily with little regard.
Self Regulate is the Proper course of action. If you don't like it don't do it, But let me decide for myself.
Why aren't we forcing social justice? And end to poverty?
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May the force be with you.
“The intelligence of that creature known as a crowd is the square root of the number of people in it.”
- Terry Pratchett, Jingo
thats why i asked for a link. i know he has said it is a avoidable
risk.he has never said it should be avoided at all cost.
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mike
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