Why Buy American?

[zoiDman]

Brother, be as long winded as you want! This is why I started this thread to see what people think. Sometimes I feel like the only one who isn't anti-Chinese when it comes to vaping! ...

I don't Realy consider myself Anti-Chinese when it comes to Any Product.

But I like to be Pro-American whenever Possible.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

You better take a look at the way the Chinese are copying some of the best USA made mods, the Lava tube couldn't hold the Darwins or Provari's Jock Strap,,, the VMAX is a total copy of the Provari, OUR TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING AND BUILDS, are WAY BETTER, it's like comparing a Toyota to a Rolls Royce, and the Chinese are well known for duplicating our better engineered goods, all the way down to Gucci purses to every other super made product here in the USA, and just ask most people which they would rather have the real thing or the Bootleg copy, most all would chose the real deal, and its always been like this. Here is just another thing the Govt of the USA will sooner or later crack down harder on, as well as taxing the Balls off of the far east products that are exported into the USA, The USA will start taxing there goods and taxing them HARD & HARDER & HARDER, to a point it wont pay for them to even export good here, and we will be manufacturing our own goods again,,,, the USA was built on our great engineering & technology and manufacturing, its been the heartbeat of the USA FOREVER, the countries heartbeat may have slowed down, but it hasn't stopped, consider it a break , times a coming where our Govt is going to have to be forced to take these jobs back, make changes, and very soon these changes are going to take place,,,, its all about moving the Govt around like playing chess, the new players will come in and make change in order to correct the mistakes and bad decisions old Govt official have made. It's a vicious cycle it seems and change is well over due and needed, so its going to take place mark my words on this.

Well, to me it's a win-win, or a lose-lose? Who's smarter in a way, the creator, or the copier? Give me the bootleg if it's cheaper and performs the same. I don't have enough money to be proud or a "fanboy."

 

[Cowboy Cru]

Well, I applaud your patriotism! But, btw, aren't all the unskilled, the labour, the construction and the factory jobs in the US filled by Mexicans and other foreign workers etc. who are still taking all their money out of the US anyway?

Yes, because we are "too good" to work whatever job it is.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

That's a whole another story, and yes they where, but production and manufacturing was way down at these times, recession was taking place, and that's just another problem the USA let happen by letting people into this country illegally, there is another change that's taken place, many of those illegal's , as well as any and all Illegals have been getting chased back out, if you want to come into this country fine, but you have to do it legally, and that's another thing the people of the USA stood up for once they saw the problems happening and are fighting hard to try to stop now, and many have fled back out in fear of getting caught,,, just goes to show that everyone wants to come to the USA because its the greatest nation in the WORLD, and its only going to get better too, it's all about leadership and having the right people in office to do the job, and making the changes take place that need to happen. The current bum in office hasn't done a dam thing, and that's why he is getting removed and very soon.

I just want to point out that this post about the U.S. being the "greatest nation in the world" does NOT speak for us all. And unfortunately highlights the often looked-down upon, over-proud attitude we are labeled with.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

Yeah- come back to me when you get real "facts" instead of generalizations, or have to face being on maternity leave with no pay (FMLA or S&A), or have your company decide to drop your pay while you work longer hours and tell me how loyal you'd be. Everyone thinks their worth something- obviously you do, but why is that? Is your reasoning better than someone else's? What would you do if your company decided you were no longer "worth" what you currently are? I highly doubt you'd agree to that... But if/when you lose your job and all you have left is "You wanna supersize that?", tell me how you feel about what you're worth. Until then, you have no room to talk.

My american job raised my production, raised my health costs, and lowered my pay. People are getting fired everyday. One lady just got fired while on maternity leave.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

I don't know if "Better" is how I would describe it.

But if Something, Anything, is Manufactured inside the USA, then hopefully it was made by an American Citizen. And the wages earned to make the Product support the US Economy.

I don’t Really care what the Country of Origin is for the Person who Designed it. Or who was the First Person to think up the Idea. I’m not even that Upset when it’s a Non-American Company if the Labor is done Inside the USA (BMW’s made in Tennessee).

I just like the idea of an American Worker having a Job and getting paid on Friday for a week’s worth of work.

Well then this would still ring true if you buy your Chinese mod from an american vendor.

 

[zoiDman]

My american job raised my production, raised my health costs, and lowered my pay. ...

Ever thought about getting a New Job?

Or is that Not an Option?

 

[Cowboy Cru]

Ever thought about getting a New Job?

Or is that Not an Option?

It is, I'm just a lazy american.

 

[zoiDman]

It is, I'm just a lazy american.

You said it. Not Me.

 

[Butters78]

VMAX (with more power) vs. Provari for at least half the price. Pure performance based not "looks." Although my SS Max looks pretty damn good. Bolt w/Kick vs. Silver Bullet w/Kick, half price again................

I own a provari and a kicked silver bullet and I chose them for the quality. The vmax may put out more power but it doesnt put out what it is set at which is a negative to me.. Now the bolt, I'm sorry it just looks like a cheap imitation, horn button and squeeky threads? I'll pass..

 

[six]

It is, I'm just a lazy american.

I'm going to randomly multi-quote you and zoiDman to help you operate the forum a little bit in the interest of this thread continuing to make sense. When you want to quote more than one person, here is how you do it: At the bottom of someone's post, there are three icons - one says "reply", the next says "reply with quote", and the third doesn't say anything but is a left quotation mark with a plus sign to its bottom right.

Click the third icon for each person you want to quote/reply to. The plus sign will turn in to a check mark. When you reach the last post you want to quote, instead of using that icon, use the "reply with quote". This will open the box you type in... and it will quote every post you clicked the plus to a check mark for. This will save you a lot of effort in replying with quote for each post and it makes the thread a whole lot easier to read for everyone else.

You said it. Not Me.

As I mentioned, I'm quoting you just for an example to help Cowboy Cru keep his thread readable/followable for everyone. Thanks!

 

[zoiDman]

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As I mentioned, I'm quoting you just for an example to help Cowboy Cru keep his thread readable/followable for everyone. Thanks!

No problem six

Two things that make a Thread Easier to Read is when People use Multi-Quotes. And when people use Paragraph Spacing.

You mentioned Earlier about some of the Labor Practices employed by some Chinese Companies. Have you heard of Foxconn?

Foxconn is a HUGE electronics Assembler in China. They have a MASSIVE facility were workers Live and Word it what many have called a Modern Day Slave Camp.

They also have had a History of what even some Chinese Officials have considered to be Labor Abuse. One Example was a Rash of workers committing Suicide by jumping off Company Buildings. I guess since workers are only allowed to Leave Foxconn one Day a Week, it was the Only Building they could find.

The management, after pressure from the World Community to take action, decided to put Nets around all the buildings Over 6 Stories. When a BBC reporter asked a Foxconn Official if the nets were preventing Worker Suicide Deaths, the Official replied that the Nets were Not to Save the people who jumped off the Buildings. They were just to defect them so they wouldn't Injure people Walking by.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides

If you haven't read of some of Foxconn Other Business Practices, do a quick Google search. It will blow your Mind that things like this can still be going on in Todays World.

http://inhabitat.com/npr-retracts-apple-factory-expose-but-many-horrific-truths-still-remain/

Not saying that All companies in China are this Bad. There are Many Great Companies in China.

But you have to look at a Chinese Government that allows a company like Foxconn to even Exist.

 

[mwa102464]

I just want to point out that this post about the U.S. being the "greatest nation in the world" does NOT speak for us all. And unfortunately highlights the often looked-down upon, over-proud attitude we are labeled with.

Not putting anyone down at all, just voicing my opinion, and I think just about every American citizen would agree the USA is the greatest nation in the world,, just like Chinee or Russian would say the same about there country I hope and be proud of it, that's why where all here, and there are many who wished they where here that aren't, I am a proud American and do think it is the greatest nation on the earth, and always will and protect it any way I can or have to. On the flip side I have nothing really against other nations, but I care more about the one I live in than any other and want to support American companies as much as I can, every dollar spent here supporting our own companies is helping the Economy in the USA. I want to see our economy grow and grow stronger then ever, and its going to just like it always has.

As far as the Bootleg your more then welcome to it, I want the real deal and will continue supporting Provari, Darwin, Reo, and all the American vendors who put out the best Mods, always have always will. Doesn't mean I haven't ever purchased anything from China either I have,,, but when it comes right down to it I want to support USA vendors all I can, and the same goes for USA companies of other products. Red white and blue, Chevrolet, Baseball, and apple pie baby, I'm a true Blue American and very proud of that fact.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

I own a provari and a kicked silver bullet and I chose them for the quality. The vmax may put out more power but it doesnt put out what it is set at which is a negative to me.. Now the bolt, I'm sorry it just looks like a cheap imitation, horn button and squeeky threads? I'll pass..

Horn button works fine, a little lube on the threads and it's silent as a mouse. More power in the MAX, wrong or right, means I'll never be lacking. I'm not rich enough to ..... about squeaky threads.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

I'm going to randomly multi-quote you and zoiDman to help you operate the forum a little bit in the interest of this thread continuing to make sense. When you want to quote more than one person, here is how you do it: At the bottom of someone's post, there are three icons - one says "reply", the next says "reply with quote", and the third doesn't say anything but is a left quotation mark with a plus sign to its bottom right.

Click the third icon for each person you want to quote/reply to. The plus sign will turn in to a check mark. When you reach the last post you want to quote, instead of using that icon, use the "reply with quote". This will open the box you type in... and it will quote every post you clicked the plus to a check mark for. This will save you a lot of effort in replying with quote for each post and it makes the thread a whole lot easier to read for everyone else.



As I mentioned, I'm quoting you just for an example to help Cowboy Cru keep his thread readable/followable for everyone. Thanks!

Thanks. I actually did not know that. It does get a little tiring trying to keep up. But, I do try to answer most people rather I agree or disagree, especially if they want to hear from the OP. Cause I do try to follow the rule of "agree to disagree." I just want everyone to know I do want to hear what you have to say, no matter what it is. That's the great thing about an open discussion like this. I may side like most people one way or the other, but truthfully I am trying to learn everything I can from anyone about vaping and the industry. It is my passion! Thanks everyone!

 

[Cowboy Cru]

No problem six

Two things that make a Thread Easier to Read is when People use Multi-Quotes. And when people use Paragraph Spacing.

You mentioned Earlier about some of the Labor Practices employed by some Chinese Companies. Have you heard of Foxconn?

Foxconn is a HUGE electronics Assembler in China. They have a MASSIVE facility were workers Live and Word it what many have called a Modern Day Slave Camp.

They also have had a History of what even some Chinese Officials have considered to be Labor Abuse. One Example was a Rash of workers committing Suicide by jumping off Company Buildings. I guess since workers are only allowed to Leave Foxconn one Day a Week, it was the Only Building they could find.

The management, after pressure from the World Community to take action, decided to put Nets around all the buildings Over 6 Stories. When a BBC reporter asked a Foxconn Official if the nets were preventing Worker Suicide Deaths, the Official replied that the Nets were Not to Save the people who jumped off the Buildings. They were just to defect them so they wouldn't Injure people Walking by.

Foxconn suicides - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you haven't read of some of Foxconn Other Business Practices, do a quick Google search. It will blow your Mind that things like this can still be going on in Todays World.

http://inhabitat.com/npr-retracts-apple-factory-expose-but-many-horrific-truths-still-remain/

Not saying that All companies in China are this Bad. There are Many Great Companies in China.

But you have to look at a Chinese Government that allows a company like Foxconn to even Exist.

Okay, even I have to jump in here (no pun intended) and admit that is pretty crazy. I'm not saying by any means when you see something like this that their government is great. Don't get me wrong, that's messed up.

 

[Butters78]

Horn button works fine, a little lube on the threads and it's silent as a mouse. More power in the MAX, wrong or right, means I'll never be lacking. I'm not rich enough to ..... about squeaky threads.

Wait till they break down and need service.. I can talk to the guys who made my mods (and not in broken English granted) and have them repair them in a timely manner at little cost. When yours go out, good luck.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

Not putting anyone down at all, just voicing my opinion, and I think just about every American citizen would agree the USA is the greatest nation in the world,, just like Chinee or Russian would say the same about there country I hope and be proud of it, that's why where all here, and there are many who wished they where here that aren't, I am a proud American and do think it is the greatest nation on the earth, and always will and protect it any way I can or have to. On the flip side I have nothing really against other nations, but I care more about the one I live in than any other and want to support American companies as much as I can, every dollar spent here supporting our own companies is helping the Economy in the USA. I want to see our economy grow and grow stronger then ever, and its going to just like it always has.

As far as the Bootleg your more then welcome to it, I want the real deal and will continue supporting Provari, Darwin, Reo, and all the American vendors who put out the best Mods, always have always will. Doesn't mean I haven't ever purchased anything from China either I have,,, but when it comes right down to it I want to support USA vendors all I can, and the same goes for USA companies of other products. Red white and blue, Chevrolet, Baseball, and apple pie baby, I'm a true Blue American and very proud of that fact.

Here I go replying with every quote. I will learn that deal later with the check marks.

Anyway, I wanted to respond by saying that this was very well worded. And Thank You. It is okay to be proud. Unfortunately I have let a lot of things in our own country get me down, that's all. Everyone has a right to buy what they want, like me buying Chinese. It just gets to me when people put me down for what I have and can afford. Unfortunately I have a lot of those in my day-to-day life.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

Wait till they break down and need service.. I can talk to the guys who made my mods (and not in broken English granted) and have them repair them in a timely manner at little cost. When yours go out, good luck.

When mine goes out I'll buy a new one for thirty bucks (Bolt). At that rate it will take me three units to catch up to the price of a Silver Bullet.

Oh yea, 7 months so far on the Bolt and still going strong.

 

[Xaiver]

Not putting anyone down at all, just voicing my opinion, and I think just about every American citizen would agree the USA is the greatest nation in the world,, just like Chinee or Russian would say the same about there country I hope and be proud of it, that's why where all here, and there are many who wished they where here that aren't, I am a proud American and do think it is the greatest nation on the earth, and always will and protect it any way I can or have to. On the flip side I have nothing really against other nations, but I care more about the one I live in than any other and want to support American companies as much as I can, every dollar spent here supporting our own companies is helping the Economy in the USA. I want to see our economy grow and grow stronger then ever, and its going to just like it always has.

As far as the Bootleg your more then welcome to it, I want the real deal and will continue supporting Provari, Darwin, Reo, and all the American vendors who put out the best Mods, always have always will. Doesn't mean I haven't ever purchased anything from China either I have,,, but when it comes right down to it I want to support USA vendors all I can, and the same goes for USA companies of other products. Red white and blue, Chevrolet, Baseball, and apple pie baby, I'm a true Blue American and very proud of that fact.

Better go check out your car's VIN numbers then. If the first character is anything other than a 1, you've got yourself a non-american-manufactured car. Cool, huh?

Vehicle Identification Number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia