Why Buy American?

[flintlock62]

Nothing personal taken by calling us Yanks. That's what the Canadians, and the Brits call us. It makes sense for you to buy from China. It doesn't make sense for us American to buy all Chinese, but almost everything on our shelves comes from China. I lost my job to over-seas where the labor rate is cheaper, and our so-called American business owners make a killing when they import.

Here's a different perspective, I'm Australian and down here in Oz it's just more practical to buy from China (well, we are a part of Asia) just because of the whole "PayPal thing". On the whole we would love to buy American e cig gear from the states ( the Aussie dollar makes this workable ) but for me to get a credit card just for that is not going to happen ( never had one and never will) , I end up buying more from Europe instead , and its a shame, we have some strong ties to you yanks in our shared history ( "yanks" used as a positive term not a negative in this context) and I ( and others)would prefere to buy my juice from the states but until Paypal changes I will be buying from china and Europe.

 

[Absintheur]

I try to support not only US made but small business as well. I would rather pay a dollar more and support my local B&M store but that isn't always possible. There have been times I have looked at some of the co-ops but they are generally buying direct from overseas. If possible I would rather by imported goods from a US store knowing the at least part of my money is staying in the US and that taxes have been paid through import duties...at least part of the time. I have bought 2 mods direct simply because I liked them and there was no US outlet for them.

We need to support small business as much as possible and I do my best to do so but occasionally I will shop from outside sources when it is the only place to get what I want.

 

[PhreakySTS9]

I just buy something if I want it. I don't really care where it comes from to be honest. Right now i'm vaping an American made genesis on a Greek made PV. The AW's I have no idea where they were actually produced but I don't care because they work well(and they're really the only batts that fit a GGTB as far as i'm aware)...

 

[varitablevoltage]

I wonder if for example a company like Apple ran only to cover costs and wages, so no shareholders, no fat cat CEO paychecks,...Just pay everyone who works for the company an appropriate wage for skill, effort and responsibility, if we could keep manufacturing here in North America and still be competitive in the marketplace.

 

[Butters78]

I've been laying low. Trying to get over the Crushing Emotional Lose of breaking up with my Girlfriend.

We were arguing and in my anger, I lashed out and said she had Stubby Fingers. I guess I just didn't perceive how Upset some people can get when the Size of Someone's Fingers is mentioned.

Oh well... Que Sera Sera

How you been doing?

Same old my friend, and sorry to hear about loosing your girl. Stubby fingers eh? Reminds me of the man hands episode of Seinfeld. Heh. You'll meet someone better bro.

 

[djensen9367]

Id buy american regardless of the price if the stuff was in stock and i didn't have to jump through hoops to get one. Still waiting on Darwins, SGT VV, zen stuff, etc etc. if i have to get on a waiting list, or something similar ill go an alternate route. Im WAY too busy to sit and constantly refresh a screen to have a chance to buy a limited supply of something.

Id really like to try a bell RBA, before the ZMAX i was ready and willing to buy a Darwin, etc etc. fix the end point sales and supply and im positive people would buy more american made stuff even if it costs more.

I can't agree more, for the past few weeks I have found a few "Made in America" products that I would pay the extra money for BUT:
They don't answer email, you cannot make direct contact, they shut down for a few days to do "something". We have a terrible economy right now and these guys have an opportunity to make some good money, I guess they are busy enough to not really give a damn. If I had the skill I think with my work ethic and customer relations I could turn a decent profit. Unfortunately I can hardly drive a straight nail. I will not name the places I have tried to buy from but it has been totally frustrating, heaven forbid you have a problem with their product, it could take a long time to get it fixed. I do not understand the work ethic (or lack of) in the USA right now. I know a place that needs help bad, people hire on and 3 days later they quit as they are expected to work the whole time they are in the office, I am happy with my Chinese stuff as it usually works and is easily replace if there is a problem. I was willing to pay 3-400 bucks for a product that was hand crafted here in the USA but not one email or request answered. How do you figure?

 

[tidegirl]

They shut down for a few DAYS? Three words for ya- Chinese New Year. The whole country shuts down for 2 weeks, no one here can get anything, and all our friendly American vendors run out of everything and can't get more for a month while we wait for them to catch up with production.

We are dealing with small companies, usually run completely by 1-2 people. Life happens. We cannot expect them to be there 24-7, regardless of personal sickness, family issues, etc. When you are sick, or have a loss in the family, or just have something you really want to do when you are supposed to work, you expect your boss to work with you, don't you? That's what vacation and sick time are for, after all. Well, it's just the boss and no one else with most of the pv businesses. So cut them a break and let them have a day off!

 

[PapawBrett]

I wonder if for example a company like Apple ran only to cover costs and wages, so no shareholders, no fat cat CEO paychecks,...Just pay everyone who works for the company an appropriate wage for skill, effort and responsibility, if we could keep manufacturing here in North America and still be competitive in the marketplace.

They would go bankrupt in nothing flat. Shrink (loss via theft, rejected units, and other variables) can ruin a profit margun fast. Also, energy expenses, transportation costs. parts cost and availibility- all fluxuate causing buisinesses to live in a 'fluid' market. There is no way to predict with accuracy, say, the cost of heating/ airconditioning a manufacturing plant a year out because oil might rise/ fall. Everyone complains about the Boss. It's natural. But CEO's are paid to make sure everyone else still has a job a year from now. The 'Golden Parachute' is a bad idea, but paying top dollar for a boss who actually will dedicate himself to his workers is standard. If you want to discuss fat paychecks that are unearned, start with Congress. Who, by the way. pass laws, taxes and regulations that are making American Manufacturing costly and dofficult.

 

[varitablevoltage]

Well I have no business or economics degree admittantly, I'm just thinking if businesses we're ran more like a co-op and the governement gave incentives for manufacturing in country as that stimulates the economy...Ah, I dunno.

On a side note I betcha there is gonna be a "Build your own e-cig project" on MAKE | MAKE magazine soon.

 

[Buggs5347]

I'd prefer it if I didn't have to buy one single thing from China because of their labor practices and because of the horrid things some of their manufacturers have done in recent history. Baby formula, dog and cat food, drywall, lead paint in toys.... I wish our country would put steep tariffs on their stuff coming back into the country. Cripes, when will people learn that cheap isn't always the least expensive? Their labor practices are unconscionable. Look at the jobs lost, the lives lost...all for the sake of cheap.

 

[zoiDman]

.... I wish our country would put steep tariffs on their stuff coming back into the country. ...

We Can’t.

Because if we did, they would Threaten to Not to buy our T-Bills.

 

[mikejm]

Probably already mentioned in the thread but Provari is made in the USA.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

I'd prefer it if I didn't have to buy one single thing from China because of their labor practices and because of the horrid things some of their manufacturers have done in recent history. Baby formula, dog and cat food, drywall, lead paint in toys.... I wish our country would put steep tariffs on their stuff coming back into the country. Cripes, when will people learn that cheap isn't always the least expensive? Their labor practices are unconscionable. Look at the jobs lost, the lives lost...all for the sake of cheap.

I haven't written on here in awhile, frankly cause I'm sort of tired of fighting the fight (self-proclaimed lazy american). I am a true believer that history shows the little guy doesn't really make a difference. So I will go on with life and make it as bearable as possible by always taking the easy road until I'm dead. Anyway, I just had to chime in on this post and say a few things. Most of the kids, I mean workers, that have these jobs oversea's are happy to have them. I think I know a few unemployed americans right now that would take them too. And as far as the whole "lead paint on toys" thing? Come on, perfect example of how over-sensitive our culture has become. A lot of kids grew up with lead-painted toys and they are just fine and kicking at 80 years old! Before you know it we'll be popping out our infants straight in to a bubble to make sure they never, ever, get sick! With population control always being an issue the last thing we need are people living to be 200 years old.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

Same old my friend, and sorry to hear about loosing your girl. Stubby fingers eh? Reminds me of the man hands episode of Seinfeld. Heh. You'll meet someone better bro.

What up Eric??? How ya been?

 

[Cowboy Cru]

We Can’t.

Because if we did, they would Threaten to Not to buy our T-Bills.

How ya been zoiDman?

 

[Absintheur]

Does China have some problems with unfair labor practices? You bet. But did the US have similar problems in our history? Absolutely. My Father worked in the coal breaker room at an age that would be against the law today and going back earlier in our history it just gets worse.

China is improving it's labor conditions but it doesn't happen overnight. Every angel has a past and every sinner has a future....

 

[flintlock62]

I beg to differ on the remark about lead in paint not harming children.

I haven't written on here in awhile, frankly cause I'm sort of tired of fighting the fight (self-proclaimed lazy american). I am a true believer that history shows the little guy doesn't really make a difference. So I will go on with life and make it as bearable as possible by always taking the easy road until I'm dead. Anyway, I just had to chime in on this post and say a few things. Most of the kids, I mean workers, that have these jobs oversea's are happy to have them. I think I know a few unemployed americans right now that would take them too. And as far as the whole "lead paint on toys" thing? Come on, perfect example of how over-sensitive our culture has become. A lot of kids grew up with lead-painted toys and they are just fine and kicking at 80 years old! Before you know it we'll be popping out our infants straight in to a bubble to make sure they never, ever, get sick! With population control always being an issue the last thing we need are people living to be 200 years old.

 

[SissySpike]

This issue is up to us we see what our elected officials have done. Sold us out!!!! If each person try's to buy American as much as possible things will start to change.
At this point it is now our fault IMO we all know but still continue the feed the monster destroying us. Dont look to any one else just do your part and try to convince friends family and neighbors to do the same.
Each and every time you here people say we have to compete in a world market you are being fed a load of crap! What we have to do is take care of our selves. We've dug our selves a in to a hole it will not be easy to climb out but anyone who thinks the same corrupt self serving mis-leaders who put us here will rescue us is living in LA-LA-land.

 

[zoiDman]

How ya been zoiDman?

Doing OK.

Have had Better. Have had Worse.

How about yourself?

 

[ninjuh]

Most of the products in the e-cig market are made in China, then sold to vendors here in the US, then we buy them at triple the cost. When buying stuff that comes from china, doesn't matter if u get it here or in the US, either way china is getting their money. Only difference is you're gonna save a ton by cutting out the middle man(US vendors). The only way to "keep money here in the US", is to start producing these products in the US.


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