why can’t a non-smoker vape?

[chev327fox]

The whole point is people can make their own decisions all we can do is help educate them on there decision and give an opinion... enough said!

 

[Remrey]

Point taken

Ok, I have changed my opinion. I now hate all people who are selfish .......s.

Good.

When I smoked, I'd always keep it away from Children and keep a distance away from people that didn't smoke.

In other cases, such as in my own home or my own car. If there was a non-smoker around me, they would have to deal with it or step out themselves. It's my territory.
I'd take no issue with you excusing yourself while I smoked. I understood, but wasn't going to make accommodations for other people on my own turf.
Basically, I wasn't willing to step outside of my own home to have a smoke if I had a non-smoking guest.
Granted, I would always move myself to another room to smoke. But, if they followed me, that was their own problem.

When my state allowed smoking in public places, such as bars and restaurants, though. If the establishment allowed it, I would do it.

If a non-smoker didn't want to be around smoking, they could simply avoid those establishments.
Just as now, with the ban in place, many Smokers choose to avoid establishments that don't have a legal outdoor smoking area.

Complete and udder disregard is an ....... behavior, yes.
But in some cases, you have a right to practice as you wish.

 

[chev327fox]

Guys, seriously... this whole subject will never be a rest, we all said our piece so just let it DIE.

 

[laborer75]

To try and get this thread back to a better place......

I believe anyone who is an adult and wants to vape should give it a go. Its alot better than giving analogs a try. But I do agree that you should start out with zero nic juice. Why crave the nicotine if no nic juice will satisfy your needs? Since I've been vaping, I've steadily been trying to cut my nicotine intake levels down and will continue to do so. I'll probably vape forever. What can I say? I love vaping. But my goal is to be nicotine free someday by choice. Some choose not to. It's all about adults having a choice.

 

[underwater goddess]

I think you're the one that needs to read the facts. There is no proof that second hand smoke is anywhere close to as dangerous as you say. Where are all the bartenders and waitresses that are dying from second hand smoke? If there were many as you say, then ASH and all those other organizations would be touting those for why smoking should be banned.

You say that I need to read the facts. Well if you have any links to any information about second-hand smoke being harmless to the body, feel free to share them.

 

[msroulette]

Ok, perhaps I should explain myself better.

I don't hate all people who smoke. Just the selfish ones.

Some smokers have moral values. They may be killing themselves, but they are considerate to non-smokers, and avoid hurting them with second-hand smoke. A good example would be one of my friends who smokes, she always does it outside the house, away from the kids, and never in a public place.

Others are .......s who don't give a damn about others. These people smoke near their kids, around their non-smoking spouses and their pets. They smoke in public places where lots of non-smokers have to put up with their second-hand smoke. They poison the air of nightclubs and bars, leaving the people who frequent those places with compromised lungs and shortened lifespans. These smokers are horrible people, and I hope they all get lung cancer and die painful deaths.

P.S. If you used to be the second type of smoker, but have since quit, I don't hate you. You have realized the error of your ways, and decided to change and become a better person! I congradulate and respect you for that. Its not who you once were, but who you are now that matters.

Let me just say, that for one...Hate is a very negative emotion, one that takes a great deal of negative energy to maintain...try something more positive, seems you could use a more positive thought process.

Two, Karma is a real finicky lady, and I think wishing a slow painful death on ANYONE would be enough to irk her to spin something really nasty your way!

And, when it comes to non-smokers picking up a vaping habit, I would aslo advise against. Smoking is not JUST a nicotine habit. It is a habit of movement, of actions. The reason e-cigs work so very well for people is because it mimicks the movements, it replicates the feelings we used to get from smoking. Why would any of us suggest anyone pick up a habit like that?

 

[spaky]

Here's an article on WHO's study that has been the basis for most arguments against second hand smoke: FOXNews.com - Second-Hand Smokescreens - Opinion

 

[underwater goddess]

In other cases, such as in my own home or my own car. If there was a non-smoker around me, they would have to deal with it or step out themselves. It's my territory.

I'd take no issue with you excusing yourself while I smoked. I understood, but wasn't going to make accommodations for other people on my own turf.
Basically, I wasn't willing to step outside of my own home to have a smoke if I had a non-smoking guest.

I would say if you do this, warn them first so they have enough time to safely find the exit before you light up. Other than that, I think its fine.

When my state allowed smoking in public places, such as bars and restaurants, though. If the establishment allowed it, I would do it.

If a non-smoker didn't want to be around smoking, they could simply avoid those establishments.
Just as now, with the ban in place, many Smokers choose to avoid establishments that don't have a legal outdoor smoking area.

The way most restaurants work is, they have the smoking section outside, and the non-smoking section inside. This does not make sense; non-smokers enjoy sunshine and fresh air too!

I think that the outside seating should be divided into 2 sections, smoking and non-smoking. Then it would be fair.

That, and there should be smoke-free bars as well as smoke-friendly ones.

 

[Kobudo]

That is total bull..... The cigarette companies are responsible for creating that myth.

Statistically speaking, the gateway drugs are cigarettes and alcohol!

Actually, I was drinking Mt. Dew long before I took up smoking or drank a beer... so the REAL gateway drug seems to be caffeine

 

[Katmar]

Here's an article on WHO's study that has been the basis for most arguments against second hand smoke: FOXNews.com - Second-Hand Smokescreens - Opinion

Excellent find, Spaky. Unfortunately, the EPA is pretty much like BT or BP. It's all about the money.

 

[spaky]

Excellent find, Spaky. Unfortunately, the EPA is pretty much like BT or BP. It's all about the money.

Ya you're right. One of the problems is once a report is out, even if it's wrong, that's what people remember. They don't pay any attention to the proof that it's wrong, they just hold on to the original report. That's where we have problems with vaping. Everyone just wants to believe the original report by the FDA that these PVs are dangerous.

 

[underwater goddess]

Let me just say, that for one...Hate is a very negative emotion, one that takes a great deal of negative energy to maintain...

The hate stems from the fact that I have a phobia of analogs.

If you don't have any phobias, then it's something that you will never be able to understand.

try something more positive, seems you could use a more positive thought process.

You mean like buying free PVs for all of them instead of hating them?

Now that's just crazy enough to work...

 

[Happy Domino38]

EASY.

Those are the people that are going to stir up the ...., THAT'S why!

There's an impending BAN on e-cigs. Wanna know why? ONE of the 'intelligent' arguments are that it'll attract KIDS. In other words, people that NEVER smoked! If non-smokers start picking up e-cigs, WE'RE DONE.

This is a LIFESAVING device for those us that SMOKED and either CAN'T or DIDN'T WANT to QUIT..

If everyone and their brother starts picking them up because they think they're COOL or they TASTE good, they're going to ruin it for the people that NEED it.

Sorry for the rant, but I agree 100% with Born's signature...
'If you don't smoke, don't vape. And, if you do, don't look here for support.'

 

[Katmar]

I would say if you do this, warn them first so they have enough time to safely find the exit before you light up. Other than that, I think its fine.





The way most restaurants work is, they have the smoking section outside, and the non-smoking section inside. This does not make sense; non-smokers enjoy sunshine and fresh air too!

I think that the outside seating should be divided into 2 sections, smoking and non-smoking. Then it would be fair.

That, and there should be smoke-free bars as well as smoke-friendly ones.

About 32 states BAN smoking in restaurants. So, if they cannot smoke indoors, they still have the right to smoke outdoors. Thank God!!! Big Brother hasn't taken away that right. And these people who are so horribly addicted, as I once was, stand outside in ANY weather to smoke.

So, it's fair that they can't smoke INSIDE, now you want to divide them OUTSIDE, too. Gee, how kind. As soon as the wind blows, you will have them out on the street.

 

[Katmar]

Ya you're right. One of the problems is once a report is out, even if it's wrong, that's what people remember. They don't pay any attention to the proof that it's wrong, they just hold on to the original report. That's where we have problems with vaping. Everyone just wants to believe the original report by the FDA that these PVs are dangerous.

EXACTLY!!!!!!

EASY.

Those are the people that are going to stir up the ...., THAT'S why!

There's an impending BAN on e-cigs. Wanna know why? ONE of the 'intelligent' arguments are that it'll attract KIDS. In other words, people that NEVER smoked! If non-smokers start picking up e-cigs, WE'RE DONE.

This is a LIFESAVING device for those us that SMOKED and either CAN'T or DIDN'T WANT to QUIT..

If everyone and their brother starts picking them up because they think they're COOL or they TASTE good, they're going to ruin it for the people that NEED it.

Sorry for the rant, but I agree 100% with Born's signature...
'If you don't smoke, don't vape. And, if you do, don't look here for support.'

Bingo!!!!

 

[spaky]

About 32 states BAN smoking in restaurants. So, if they cannot smoke indoors, they still have the right to smoke outdoors. Thank God!!! Big Brother hasn't taken away that right. And these people who are so horribly addicted, as I once was, stand outside in ANY weather to smoke.

So, it's fair that they can't smoke INSIDE, now you want to divide them OUTSIDE, too. Gee, how kind. As soon as the wind blows, you will have them out on the street.

And soon after that the only place people will be allowed to smoke is in their house or car.

 

[thelook]

And soon after that the only place people will be allowed to smoke is in their house or car.

Okay I know I said I was leaving...but...

Some people do not even have the right to smoke in their homes now.

 

[Katmar]

And soon after that the only place people will be allowed to smoke is in their house or car.

There was a short story by Stephen King about just this thing. If you were caught smoking, first they took a finger or something. It was scary and eerie, and now, I can see it in the future.

 

[Dillinger]

I didn't read the whole thread, but speaking personally, I had smoked for 12-13 years, a couple times quitting cold-turkey for up to a year. Before switching to PVs, I smoked heavily.

But, even if I had been off of normal cigarettes for a year when I learned of e-cigs, technically being a non-smoker at the time, I probably would have picked up a PV.

The reason being I love nicotine. For someone with a history of Attention Deficit Disorder and with no current medical insurance who doesn't like to take pills, my PV is a godsend.

I think one of the main reasons I went back to smoking after quitting so many times is that nicotine helps me concentrate! Electronic cigarettes just provide me with a cheaper, safer alternative.

So, I think in certain situations, like someone with Alzheimer's as a poster previously mentioned, nicotine can be looked at for it's therapeutic value rather than it's addictive, "bad" value.

 

[underwater goddess]

About 32 states BAN smoking in restaurants. So, if they cannot smoke indoors, they still have the right to smoke outdoors. Thank God!!! Big Brother hasn't taken away that right. And these people who are so horribly addicted, as I once was, stand outside in ANY weather to smoke.

So, it's fair that they can't smoke INSIDE, now you want to divide them OUTSIDE, too. Gee, how kind. As soon as the wind blows, you will have them out on the street.

I don't get it. What's wrong with having a non-smoking section outside as well as a smoking one? I'm not suggesting that they remove the outdoor smoking section entirely...