Why do disposables seem to taste tremendously cleaner?

[GoodNews!]

Hey guys, one of the things that simply got me into vaping is the disposable e-cigs. I've tried Blu, Njoy, Premium, Logic, Offbrand, Who Knows What Else Over The Years, and tonight, Imperial Hookah.

The disposable e-cig that made up my earlier vaping experiences was the Blu's Disposable. They don't make them the same way as they do now (different juice, different internal build I believe), but back quite a few years ago, they were pretty great - they didn't last long, but the flavoring they used from Johnson's Creek, to me, tasted like caramel popcorn - they were unlike any disposable, and produce quite a ton of flavor and vapor.

Since then, I've tried various disposables throughout my journey, and the usual result is always this: they taste cleaner than anything I've ever gotten out of a tank or clearo. The only exception, believe it or not, is Cisco's atomizers.

Why is this? How is this possible? I just bought Imperial Hookah's disposable from a nearby gas station, it's made in China and all good such, yet it tastes pretty darn remarkable, almost exactly as clean and tasty as actual hookah (which I'm a fan of.) There's no silica bite, there's nothing muddying up the vape, it is extraordinarily clean and pristine. After about 20 puffs, I'm starting to taste the ever so slightest hint of possible polyfil, but it is like - %5 of how nasty the vapor is from the usual silica wicks. It's miniscule at worst.

How are the internal aspects of these disposables actually built? What makes them taste so remarkably clean? I don't even get this taste when I've turned around and bought the "cartridge" version kits of the disposable brands (certainly not with Blu - suck, suck, suck.) But in the disposables? The vapor is as clean as hookah smoke! This is what I want to get out of my devices, this is what soothes my throat! Silica feedoff and cotton feedoff gives me asthma and coughing attacks! And it tastes muddy and dirty!

In the words of Rasputia on the Eddie Murphy film Norbit, "Why 'fo come!?"

 

[Foodacris]

It sounds to me like you need to give cotton wicks a try. Silica is a pretty good wicking material, but when it comes to flavor, silica is far from ideal. Cotton almost completely changed vaping for me (I'm not kidding at all).

Unless of course you have played around with cotton wicks, then I have no idea why they taste so good to you. Maybe I'll give one a try next time I fill up my car and see if I agree with you

 

[happydave]

a fresh wick and coil always taste great, way better than a used coil. so when you get the disposables they last a while and you toss them so basically your vaping the better half of the rig and tossing the rest... i have had a few early Blu disposables taste like garbage right off the bat. but they did get better about that in recent times. on my RDA i toss my coils after 4 days. i have used cotton, it was alright. i didn't get that OMG this flavor is amazing from them. a few of my buddys are really into cotton and i have tried there rigs and was not all the impressed. i stick with Amorphous silica because its essentially one compound not known to cause much trouble... look up the MSDS for it its not really that bad. cotton is mostly a complex polysaccharide the stuff in cotton that is not a polysaccharide is removed with some toxic chemicals and your left with %99 cellulose. and most cotton is a GMO product these days and im not really trying to support the Bio-Tech firms making up these GMO foods and plants. however im all about freedom and believe that GMO products are fine, just not for me.

 

[GoodNews!]

I've given unboiled cotton wicks a try and it really gave off some cotton-y tastes and send my asthma in a frenzy, but I hope to try boiled cotton sometime soon, I have a feeling it'd be much better.

Oh, and @ happydave, the strange thing is that with all of my tanks and clearos, I got nasty tastes from the silica since the very first vape, it's always been the biggest mystery. Didn't get this in the Cisco though, which is just as silica wicked as anything else, but it tasted %100 cleaner.

Could it be a variation in the type of silica? is amorphous silica something different, or is the same thing we all use?

Like right now, I'm vaping on Imperial Hookah's Disposable Strawberry Margarita, it's one of those dinky, expensive "e-hookah" e-cigs you can get at any gas station, and yet, it's actually pretty darn wonderful! It's giving me a very respectable cloud (so much more than even most disposables) and I've probably taken 50 puffs on it so far, and no bad tastes! It is literally %95 as clean as hookah smoke! I never get this type of cleanliness out of my tanks or clearos! There's always such a wall insulation like taste with them.

The Cisco was literally the only thing that tasted cleaner than this Imperial Hookah e-cig, it was a %100 clean vape. Extraordinarily deep flavor too, a magical experience.

 

[AegisPrime]

Some vapers feel that cartos provide more flavour than other methods of vaping - Pbusardo theorised that it might be something to do with the vapour travelling through the filler material and 'inheriting' more taste than you get with other methods.

I have to say that since I started I've yet to get as much flavour as I've gotten from my Green Smokes but I just put that down to not having found the right e-liquid/vaporizer combination yet

 

[crxess]

Tear one apart and LEARN

For a self proclaimed Expert, you sure don't have much grasp on figuring things out.

Disposables are basically Single Cycle Cartomizers.

You toss them long before the Carto starts to degrade.
The Carto is filled with a Fiber(not Silica) to hold the e-liquid in place.
The tiny bit of silica in a Carto is a Woven Heat shield to prevent rapid scorching of the filler.

As far as Flavor goes - that is all in who is making what with how much.
It is amazing just how much a Flavor will change with just 1 more or less drop in a mix.

 

[happydave]

I've given unboiled cotton wicks a try and it really gave off some cotton-y tastes and send my asthma in a frenzy, but I hope to try boiled cotton sometime soon, I have a feeling it'd be much better.

Oh, and @ happydave, the strange thing is that with all of my tanks and clearos, I got nasty tastes from the silica since the very first vape, it's always been the biggest mystery. Didn't get this in the Cisco though, which is just as silica wicked as anything else, but it tasted %100 cleaner.

Could it be a variation in the type of silica? is amorphous silica something different, or is the same thing we all use?

amorphous silica is what is used for e cigs wicks check this out What Is Amorphous Silicon?

i rinse and torch my silica before i use it... this will remove pretty much all the oils that came off peoples hands, dust that may collected on it. i don't know why it taste bad with out prep.

 

[GoodNews!]

^ Well, I've already dissected Blu's cartos like crazy (and actually used one of them as a makeshift dripping atty once, with some success!), but I was wondering if anything was particularly different about the permenantly assembled "disposable" models. I'll probably take apart this hookah one once it's done, see if there's any changes. I sure know that the "cartridge" models where you take the cartridge on and off are a lot crappier tasting the "permenant" models always seem to be.

Could be that this hookah e-cig is filled to the brim with juice. It is literally coming up out of it, there's so much juice in it. Blu's cartos are absolutely dry as a bone, you open up a fresh one and most of the polyfil is white!

But yeah, wow, Imperial Hookah - if this product was more like $4 instead of $8.99, and if it'll last a least a couple days (it says 600 puffs, yeah right), then I would actually buy this and vape with it all the time. This vapor is clean. It's producing one of the best clouds in the disposable field too! No nicotine peppery taste. I am having fun with this little thing!

It's also a manual button press disposable, which is so cool! I hate the auto ones, they fire accidentally and burn up their own polyfill.

 

[happydave]

High Quality Silica Wick - Lightning Vapes

i get my wick from this vendor i have tried a bunch of different vendors this one is really good and the price is even better.

 

[happydave]

i just remembered that i have used Boge Cartos in my carto tank and really enjoyed it. not sure what exactly makes them so much better than most cartos but they are really freaking good.. check these out Odyssey™ Boge Single Coil Cartomizer

 

[TheJakeBailey]

It's been suggested before, and I'm pretty sure I'll regret suggesting it again... Try a decent carto in a decent tank. Better yet, try several different cartos in a good tank. Sure there is an occasional bad carto just like anything else, but the vast majority work very well, with very little fuss if you prime them properly. I understand your dislike of Clearos, (though I do not agree that your results are normal) and when I tried my first carto I was pretty much done with them. If you don't like those, it may be time to hang it up. I think you've tried everything else to one degree or another.

You can bang your head on a brick wall all day, but you'll only get a headache. I wouldn't expect the brick wall to notice.

 

[GoodNews!]

I'm truly not ignoring the advice of trying cartos, I have been told to try them from day 1 and it's always on the back of my mind. The only two routes I even have left to try in the vaping world are carto tanks and RDA's. That's literally the last legs. If one doesn't work, I'll try the other. Just, I think my next step will be an RDA build (a cheap one!) and if I absolutely cannot get them to taste right, then carto tanks will be my last chance, and that's where I'll stop. I only have reservations about cartos because of the way the Cisco behaved and the faults I did encounter with it, and those types of things aren't easy to fix. With an RDA, I can fiddle with it til the cows come home, and surely, surely, I can get something to work right, with all the possibilities of builds. I gotta next put my money where the possibilities are, and RDA's are just an entirely different world, it's like a million possibilities compared to one... that's just gotta be what I spend my next buck on.

 

[happydave]

this is a cheap and fantastic RDA setup. the parts can be had for around $30 from totally wicked
i get my wick and wire from lightning vapes
and dont forget a multi-meter $10-$20
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cussion/498945-my-build-ego-octopus-mini.html

you could for go the battery i used if you already have a battery you like. just remember not to exceed the amp limit.

 

[Orb Skewer]

The iGo L is a great little inexpensive RDA GN, and has a large(ish) 'deck' and decent size screws on the posts, so, easy to work on given you have a tremor.

 

[happydave]

if flavor is your goal you might look into DIY e-liquid. not only will it save you money in the long run, you can customize it to your liking!

 

[happydave]

The iGo L is a great little inexpensive RDA GN, and has a large(ish) 'deck' and decent size screws on the posts, so, easy to work on given you have a tremor.

if you don't have the greatest dexterity i would recommend going with this or something with a larger platform than the mini octopus i suggested

 

[PLANofMAN]

Just think how much money you could have saved by now if you actually listened to advice.

Your RBA, the AGA-T, is not even close to being the best you could get for the money. $26.70 and a month's wait, and you could have had a near 1:1 replica of one of the best RBA's on the market (some would even say better, because the original does not have an airflow controller).
$26.70 Kayfun Lite Styled Rebuildable Atomizer (4.5mL) at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
another $50 and you could get an eVic off of the classifieds here.

It might not be the absolute best vaping setup money can buy, but you would certainly be in the ballpark.

 

[GoodNews!]

The thumb screws are something I've wanted since I first heard of them, because it is the truth that I have a little bit of a problem getting the screwdriver into the actual nail notches - as long as I get it in though, and apply pressure, it gets easier for me.

I love looking around at RDA's and the Igo L and the Octopus have been two of my top considerations - sadly, I have to settle with a Pheonix because I want to shop locally and stop fooling with online retailers and vape mail, and the new vendor opening up here has some truly honest, nice guys running the chain, they already said they'd even drill out my air holes and everything if I need it, so I really want to support them if they get me up and running with a good product.

"We've been pretty much been working at the shop up north and being our own little RDA fanboy club for a couple years, whatever you need, we'll do whatever to get it to the new store and get you a nice vape." - the employee's attitudes on the phone have been just fantastic, I've talked to like 5 different employees in their store chain and each of them have been downright polite and informative as can be. I can tell when vendors are spewing out with malarky, and this particular store, I think they're going to be the real deal, and I hope they do stick with me and help me get the best out of the goods.

I'm thinking about upgrading to the iTaste battery as I've been considering that my battery somehow runs hot, but I'll have to test the RDA first and see if there's really any truth to it. Even if for some odd reason my battery does run hot, I'd hope that a high-ohm coil could simply fix that.

P.S. @ PlanofMan, I might be mistaken of who your posting toward, but I actually don't have any RDA's in my stock - it'll be the first time trying. I'm looking at the recommendation though, and you're getting me tempted to order from Fasttech!

 

[PLANofMAN]

I could have sworn that you had an AGA, my mistake.

If you order from fasttech, be prepared to watch your package ship...enter a limbo...and arrive anywhere from 7 days to 3-4 months after ordering. e-packet through china post seems to be the fastest (cheap) shipping option with an actual 2 week to one month ship time.

Edit: Most RBA's and RDA's screws can be switched out for these: http://www.albanycountyfasteners.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=5020002 (this is an m2 screw. AGA and IGO types take M3's if I remember correctly).
They generally take M2 or M3 Machine screws. The nice thing about them is they use allen wrenches or can be used as thumb screws.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

I'm truly not ignoring the advice of trying cartos, I have been told to try them from day 1 and it's always on the back of my mind. The only two routes I even have left to try in the vaping world are carto tanks and RDA's. That's literally the last legs. If one doesn't work, I'll try the other. Just, I think my next step will be an RDA build (a cheap one!) and if I absolutely cannot get them to taste right, then carto tanks will be my last chance, and that's where I'll stop. I only have reservations about cartos because of the way the Cisco behaved and the faults I did encounter with it, and those types of things aren't easy to fix. With an RDA, I can fiddle with it til the cows come home, and surely, surely, I can get something to work right, with all the possibilities of builds. I gotta next put my money where the possibilities are, and RDA's are just an entirely different world, it's like a million possibilities compared to one... that's just gotta be what I spend my next buck on.

And this is exactly why I would recommend going the other route. With the RDA/RBA, there are a LOT of variables that are going to have drastic effects on the end goal. You seem like a guy who just wants to put something on and have it work, and this is the opposite end of the spectrum. It's the exact reason I haven't gone that route myself. That, and I tried a cheap carto tank. It's all good, (no pun intended) and I hope it works for you. I'm sure I will eventually try one myself, but I don't see anything currently out there replacing the carto tank as my every day, in my pocket, out and about topper.