EU Why do people want to take away our fun?

[Scootaloo]

So I have a little rant here and I'm a bit tired so apologies if it goes on too much or anything, but afterwards I’ve got a light video to finish off for fun.

vaping is I suppose like the revolution that people who enjoy nicotine use have been waiting for.

tobacco worked, but the smell and the health etc meant it failed the test so to speak, NRTs usually don’t work for a whole ton of people so that fails the test as well.

And then we come to vaping, and it’s a huge leap forward and for me anyway and from what I’m hearing from others it passes the test with flying colours. It imitates smoking in many ways, but it goes further. It has health advantages, no smoke no ash etc, and with all these new devices that do variable voltage and all the rest of it, it’s ever advancing like lots of other modern technology.

And yet with all the boxes it ticks, the EU and ANTZ are out to destroy this wonderful new device: and so far I’ve not seen any scientific fact it’s super harmful or anything, and even if it’s not the most healthiest habit in the world it’s surely from what I can tell better than huffing tobacco smoke into the lungs, much better.

People choose to use nicotine because they want to, that’s how it is and if I’m correct with my research it’s just a stimulant like caffeine so not that harmful.


They don’t ban smoking which is the world’s biggest preventable death, but they try and ban the far healthier way forward that so far hasn’t got scientific evidence it does shed lots of harm? Where is the logic in that? Why do the ANTZ and the EU want to take away our fun with crap excuses?


Now on a lighter note, Johnny Vegas the British comedian was with a friend in a documentary about smoking which to my knowledge pre-dates vaping. And his friend said he envisaged a future generation smoking an electronic cigarette: I even have the link to the video copied at the time of the video when it was mentioned

Memoirs Of A Cigarette 6/6 - YouTube

What a coincidence huh? He might have been onto something xD

 

[AgentAnia]

Okay, here's my response to your thread-title question:

The ANTZ are so mired in their hatred of smoking that they can't tolerate anything that even *looks like* smoking, never mind that it isn't smoking and is much much safer than smoking. So mired that they no longer care about health, they only care about hating smoking and anything that looks like it.

And smokers. They hate smokers. Only if you've quit smoking and nicotine entirely will you regain their good graces. Now we vapers have the b4lls to quit smoking but not nicotine. And we love vaping! They hate us because we love vaping and we're having fun with the whole vaping experience. That's a double whammy to the ANTZ: we've found a way to quit smoking but still enjoy nicotine, and we're having fun doing it. (And we have truth on our side, and the ANTZ know it and can't stand it!)

PS: Yes they can ban smoking! They can't ban cigarettes existing (they tried it with alcohol and look what Prohibition did to this country), but states and cities can ban smoking damn near everywhere a smoker can light up. Some are even trying to ban smoking in private homes. And they're jumping on the banwagon to include ecigs in those bans.

 

[jpargana]

I would add the following to what AgentAnia has already clearly stated:

The opposition to the e-cig is an economical one. The 'street' ANTZ who berates you for smoking or vaping is just a minion. Those people have been indocrinated by the many lies and half-truths that have been widely spread by so-called 'health' organizations and experts.
Until now, Big Pharma had the monopoly of 'tobacco addiction treatment', and is still a generous sponsor of those organizations and experts. And of course, the e-cig poses a terrible threat to the crappy Pharma products... see the picture?

Recently, Dr Siegel has come to the point of asking, in his blog, something like "Why spend tax-money making studies, if they are going to twist and spin the results anyway, so that they can 'prove' their opinions? Why not just save that money, skip the studies, and just publicize their opinions as scientific fact?"

On the other hand, we have governments making huge profits from tobacco sales (in the form of collected 'sin-taxes'). The e-cig poses a terrible threat to tobacco cigarettes also. That's why we have seen FDA atacking the e-cig, without real proof, in the US. That's why we see the European Comission trying to create so much restrictive regulations for the e-cig, that they would represent a de-facto ban of the device in Europe.
In both cases, governmental agencies are using the same tactics of fear-mongering and lie-spreading that are being used by ANTZ's organizations.

Allow me to make this clear for you: this is not about our health. If it were, the ban of Swedish Snus (in all Europe, except Sweden) would have been lifted long ago. Snus is much more known and studied than the e-cig. Sewden has the lowest rate of tobacco-related illness in all Europe. Snus has been widely studied - with very favourable results. That did not keep the EU from keeping the ban after the last voting on the Tobacco Directive, that took place on the last 08th October. That same directive would have medicalized the e-cig (that would have been a de-facto ban). Fortunately, that point did not pass... but the lobbys have moved again. This time, there is a confidential discussion on a new Directive, trying to lump the e-cig with other tobacco products.

Once again, the proposed regulations are so heavy, they are, in fact, another try at a de-facto ban. So, they tried to ban the e-cig twice in just a month and an half!!

The simple truth that the e-cig is waaaaaay safer than tobacco cigarettes is a no-brainer. And yet, no amount of logic, or of proper, independent and actually scientific studies will change the fact that the wrong people (the ones that couldn't care less about us) are already starting to lose boatloads of money.

This is what we're really fighting against...!

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

The simple truth that the e-cig is waaaaaay safer than tobacco cigarettes is a no-brainer. And yet, no amount of logic, or of proper, independent and actually scientific studies will change the fact that the wrong people (the ones that couldn't care less about us) are already starting to lose boatloads of money.

This, Big Government, BP and their house pet alphabet organizations, BT and the ANTZ do not give a about us except for the Billions they collect from us.

We need to get in their face, ask why they want to kill us and inform them that this cash cow is about to crap on their dinner plate.

I hope they enjoy the meal.

 

[AgentAnia]

This, Big Government, BP and their house pet alphabet organizations, BT and the ANTZ do not give a about us except for the Billions they collect from us.

We need to get in their face, ask why they want to kill us and inform them that this cash cow is about to crap on their dinner plate.

I hope they enjoy the meal.

This is definitely going in my Quotable Quotes file!

 

[Uma]

I can't help but agree with the commenters here.
Another obvious ploy of theirs and why they've gone from hating smokers dying from possible smoke related illnesses clear through to hating anything that even looks like smoking... is the war between Big Tobacco & Big Pharma themselves. We're the not so lucky bums caught in the middle.

 

[Anjaffm]

Wonderful explanations, dears
Clear, concise, in a nutshell - and very true.
.. thread bookmarked for future reference

And I have found a new quotable quote as well

This, Big Government, BP and their house pet alphabet organizations, BT and the ANTZ do not give a about us except for the Billions they collect from us.


We need to get in their face, ask why they want to kill us and inform them that this cash cow is about to crap on their dinner plate.


I hope they enjoy the meal.

OH YES!

 

[RosaJ]

Agree with everything said! And as for the minions: They're no more than little minds who have become accustomed to berate another human being for smoking and it makes them feel "superior" because otherwise they have nothing else going on in their lives. There, I've said it.

We as smokers got used to being verbally and mentally abused. We allowed the little minds to ingrain "guilt" into our psyche. We were fair game and wound up without a right to establish boundaries when it came to smoking because we were convinced we must be pariahs for enjoying the habit. The phrase that comes to mind is "we were shunned and we accepted it."

 

[AgentAnia]

Agree with everything said! And as for the minions: They're no more than little minds who have become accustomed to berate another human being for smoking and it makes them feel "superior" because otherwise they have nothing else going on in their lives. There, I've said it.

We as smokers got used to being verbally and mentally abused. We allowed the little minds to ingrain "guilt" into our psyche. We were fair game and wound up without a right to establish boundaries when it came to smoking because we were convinced we must be pariahs for enjoying the habit. The phrase that comes to mind is "we were shunned and we accepted it."

And now that we're vapers, we're no longer accepting their shunning. Oh dear, whatever is the world coming to?!?

 

[Anjaffm]

great comments, dears!
I agree with every word you said!

 

[catlady60]

I also see an element of envy in play with the professional and amateur ANTZ. They think if they can't have any pleasurable experinces, no one else should, either. In other words, they're losers because they're miserable and can't stand it unless they drag everybody else around them to their level.

 

[AegisPrime]

A lot has been said recently about the 'denormalization' of smoking and for those that weren't aware it's become very clear that a lot of the anti-smoking measures that have been enforced over the years are nothing to do with health concerns but to reduce and/or eliminate smoking as a choice simply because others don't like it.

A big part of the backlash against vaping is from people that don't want to see it in public even if it's proven to be 100% harmless. Anything that's different from what they consider to be acceptable is treated with contempt unfortunately.

 

[AgentAnia]

A lot has been said recently about the 'denormalization' of smoking and for those that weren't aware it's become very clear that a lot of the anti-smoking measures that have been enforced over the years are nothing to do with health concerns but to reduce and/or eliminate smoking as a choice simply because others don't like it.

A big part of the backlash against vaping is from people that don't want to see it in public even if it's proven to be 100% harmless. Anything that's different from what they consider to be acceptable is treated with contempt unfortunately.

Spot on. If you're not familiar with the Godber Blueprint, check it out here: Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger Anti-smoking zealots have been following this plan since the 70's, and now the anti-vaping zealots have adopted it as well. The blueprint makes it clear that even back then, it wasn't about health, it was about hating, punishing, and marginalizing a group of people.

 

[Anjaffm]

so true, AgentAnia

.... and then some people wonder why formerly placid, peaceful citizens who happily lived their lives have now turned into very militant activists who are fighting against corruption, greed and prohibitionists - of which they have suddenly become the targets ....

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

source: First they came ... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...

or - also one of my favorites

Do not go gentle into that good night
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

(Dylan Thomas)