Why don't I like my Squonker

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Rossum

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So How can you objectively say that Bottom Feeding is better than an rta?
When did I claim my opinion was objective? :laugh:

Lets face it Bottom Feeding is like driving a Standard Transmission!
Not really any better at any thing & a bit of a hassle, But old timers Swear By Them :lol:
Funny thing is, I prefer a manual transmission too! :p
 

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I don't go back quite that Far, But close! I do remember the day when the best Vape was a Bottom Feeder! Today the rta's have improved A Lot! The vape quality is as good or better than Dripping/ Bottom Feeding & it's So much easier to run an rta :)
It is IF you can get it to feed right. And that’s not always easy. AND if you can get one that fits your needs which isn’t always possible.

I’m very fond of my aromamizer pluses. They have 10ml tanks, they vape like RDAs and they do it till they’re empty. It took me 3 fricken months to get them to do that though. If you underwick or miswick an RTA it can dump the entire contents of the tank into your pocket or onto the desk you set it on or any number of really annoying things. Also most tanks have not only smaller resoivoirs than squonkers but MUCH smaller resovoirs. 2ml?! In a DL atty?! This is something I’ve actually seen sold. My drone has 8ml bottles.
My aromamizer pluses have 10ml or even 20ml tanks but they’re also absolutely gigantic.

Every system has advantages and disadvantages. That’s why there are so many different designs. If one of them was best for all situations there’d be only one design.
Squonkers have advantages over RTAs:
They’re easy to wick, the vape is top notch, and they hold a hell of a lot of juice.

They also have disadvantages: they’re larger, more expensive, and more complicated. Also you have to squonk them.

It depends on your personal situation. How much juice do you want to fill at a time? What is your budget like? How good are you at precise wicking?

For your situation RTAs are probably best. That’s you though. Me I have two really good RTAs which I know how to use, but lately I vape almost entirely on my drone. Why? Because I’ve got a profile RDA. I find I like mesh. Squonking works really well with it, it turns out you CAN TC with it if you cut your own stainless steel mesh from screen instead of using those stupid pre made perforated kanthal plate things they like to sell for a wholly unreasonable dollar a piece, and with rayon wick the mesh wears out before the wick does. The things will go a good week for me and I can dry burn the screens a couple times. It’s great! I haven’t bought a mesh RTA though. There isn’t one out that IMHO is both problem free and has a big enough capacity. Mesh really chews through the juice. So I squonk.
 

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It is IF you can get it to feed right. And that’s not always easy. AND if you can get one that fits your needs which isn’t always possible.

I’m very fond of my aromamizer pluses. They have 10ml tanks, they vape like RDAs and they do it till they’re empty. It took me 3 fricken months to get them to do that though. If you underwick or miswick an RTA it can dump the entire contents of the tank into your pocket or onto the desk you set it on or any number of really annoying things. Also most tanks have not only smaller resoivoirs than squonkers but MUCH smaller resovoirs. 2ml?! In a DL atty?! This is something I’ve actually seen sold. My drone has 8ml bottles.
My aromamizer pluses have 10ml or even 20ml tanks but they’re also absolutely gigantic.

Every system has advantages and disadvantages. That’s why there are so many different designs. If one of them was best for all situations there’d be only one design.
Squonkers have advantages over RTAs:
They’re easy to wick, the vape is top notch, and they hold a hell of a lot of juice.

They also have disadvantages: they’re larger, more expensive, and more complicated. Also you have to squonk them.

It depends on your personal situation. How much juice do you want to fill at a time? What is your budget like? How good are you at precise wicking?

For your situation RTAs are probably best. That’s you though. Me I have two really good RTAs which I know how to use, but lately I vape almost entirely on my drone. Why? Because I’ve got a profile RDA. I find I like mesh. Squonking works really well with it, it turns out you CAN TC with it if you cut your own stainless steel mesh from screen instead of using those stupid pre made perforated kanthal plate things they like to sell for a wholly unreasonable dollar a piece, and with rayon wick the mesh wears out before the wick does. The things will go a good week for me and I can dry burn the screens a couple times. It’s great! I haven’t bought a mesh RTA though. There isn’t one out that IMHO is both problem free and has a big enough capacity. Mesh really chews through the juice. So I squonk.


You make a few good Points!
An RDA/RSA is easier to set up, it's just the coil to contend with, wicking isn't an issue. RTA's can be tricky to get just rite, more factors in the set up.
@Rossum was correct! I really didn't get my Bottom Feeding technique perfected!
I would over Squonk & get Spit back, I would all ways have to look down in to the RSA to see if I got it rite, for me a Big Hassle :(
 

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My Billet Box fits better in a shirt pocket than any squonker does. ;)
That is the point of billet boxes. Absolute maximum use of space. They do give some stuff up for it of course. It all depends what you want most.
 

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That is the point of billet boxes. Absolute maximum use of space. They do give some stuff up for it of course. It all depends what you want most.
I don't know what you would give up, it's a DNA 60 mod that has a tank and can use a wide variety of coil heads & RBAs.

Sounds like all the bases are covered for an RTA rig.
 

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I don't know what you would give up, it's a DNA 60 mod that has a tank and can use a wide variety of coil heads & RBAs.
Sounds like all the bases are covered for an RTA rig.
That's one of the few non-squonk devices that I would consider buying, another being the Lost Vape Orion. I've seriously thought about both, but concluded: Nah, I don't need 'em. :)
 

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That's one of the few non-squonk devices that I would consider buying, another being the Lost Vape Orion. I've seriously thought about both, but concluded: Nah, I don't need 'em. :)
Many who try the Billet Box end up buying multiples of them and it's now all they use.
Can be an expensive rabbit hole, but quite easy to resell if you don't like it.
 

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This thread is interesting, It is a progression that arrives at squonking that for me, kinda went like this. Subohm tank, leaks and poor flavor, RBA deck in subohm tank, better flavor, still ocassionally leaks. RDTA, Flavor good, Leaks when not level, RTA flavor good, doesn't leak, goes through juice quickly, RDA flavor nirvana, doesn't leak (easily), hate constantly having to drip...Pulse Mech BF, Liked it but it was always wet with juice somewhere, Relegated to 2nd fiddle to my RTA's. Topside Dual...now we are talking...10 mil capacity that is not constantly wet, All day vaping on an RDA without having to Drip. Now the RTA's relegated to 2nd fiddle. I think it is largely setup dependent. If it's good as a dripper, It will likely be good as a BF RDA. Preferrably top or side airflow. The bottom line is, I found what I preferred to Vape, and then thought about the most efficient means to keep it juiced up...Hello squonking!
 

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I am not one to say one way of vaping is better than another, we are all not smoking and that really is what matters, but I will give my opinion on what I prefer.

IMO, since I have started squonking, I really prefer squonking. I think I have a dozen or more RTA setups on a shelf or in a box that do not get used (to be fair, I have 8 or so squonkers there too). I have one or two still on my rotation shelf that I use maybe once a month compared to the 6 squonkers there.

The reason for me comes down to the flavor. I fell in love with the flavor I got from drippers and Squonkers were a way to enjoy drippers on the go.

I vape around 35w to 40w (420 to 480 degrees Fahrenheit), I vape on both mechs and powered in both Temp and Watts, but prefer a DNA board in Temp Mode. I have used single and dual coils everything from simple round wire builds to exotic coils, but perfer round wire, simple single coils in the.02 to .05ohm range.

That is where I am at in my vaping journey. Just over 6 years ago, vaping got me to stop smoking and has kept me from lighting up since then. The above works for me and probibly is not what works for you, and that is what is so great about vaping, you can customize it to exactly how you like to vape.
 

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I cover all bases when it comes to vaping, be it squonks, tanks or MTL. Finding the right RDA & RTA that works for you is the key.

The Aequitas on the Furyan is meh and really nothing special, but it is there until I find a better performing brass RDA for it like a Goon or CSMNT. The Aromamizer Plus is my go to RTA, it's an absolute solid performer and works flawlessly. The BSKR V1.5 on the Aegis is perfect for Salts and MTL (she's a tight one for sure), it has a few quirks but also performs quite well.

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I don't know what you would give up, it's a DNA 60 mod that has a tank and can use a wide variety of coil heads & RBAs.

Sounds like all the bases are covered for an RTA rig.
Price is one. They’re expensive as hell. There’s also all the weird gaskets and screws for that cubical juice receptacle. There are always folks who claim they have the Jesus device. Sometimes they do for their particular situation. Not everyone has the same situation though.
 

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Many who try the Billet Box end up buying multiples of them and it's now all they use.
Can be an expensive rabbit hole, but quite easy to resell if you don't like it.
I've been down an expensive rabbit hole already am quite content down here.

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Price is one. They’re expensive as hell. There’s also all the weird gaskets and screws for that cubical juice receptacle. There are always folks who claim they have the Jesus device. Sometimes they do for their particular situation. Not everyone has the same situation though.
They don't have to be expensive as you can pick up an authentically challenged version from SXK for $100, or a non DNA 70W version for $70.

The SXKs even have a USB charge/eScribe port on them that the authentic manufacturer decided not to include.
 

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They don't have to be expensive as you can pick up an authentically challenged version from SXK for $100, or a non DNA 70W version for $70.

The SXKs even have a USB charge/eScribe port on them that the authentic manufacturer decided not to include.
Yup. I stand by my statement.
 
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