Why is a mod with an 18650 better/different than an MVP?

[sawlight]

Sorry, didn't mean to turn this into a "My mod is better than your mod" argument at all. I threw away dozens of cig-alikes, numerous EGO's and a $40 Lava tube that broke, I was done throwing things away at that point and wanted something durable. I'm tired of throwing my very hard earned money away, regardless how cheap it is or isn't.

 

[p.opus]

Sorry, didn't mean to turn this into a "My mod is better than your mod" argument at all. I threw away dozens of cig-alikes, numerous EGO's and a $40 Lava tube that broke, I was done throwing things away at that point and wanted something durable. I'm tired of throwing my very hard earned money away, regardless how cheap it is or isn't.

I get it. I find myself on the fence all the time. One day I'm about to pull the trigger and just get one of those more expensive mods, and the other day, I do the math and it doesn't make a lot of sense. Hell, I die a little each time I throw one of my Kanger heads away.

I even bought some kanthal wire and wick material and attempted to rebuild my own heads. I was moderately successful. I unfortunately bought wick that was too small (1mm). I need to decide if I want to invest more in wick material or just throw out the 1.15 that it costs to use a new head. I don't even actually throw them away, I remove the wicks and coils and save the shells just in case.....

This is ironic since cigs themelves were the ultimate in "disposable" devices.

For me, the MVP2 has check-boxed everything I was looking for in the more expensive mod VARIations, except for the fact that it uses non-replaceable batteries. There is something inherent I don't like about that, but I have had to accept that in electronics on my other devices, so I am seeing if I can accept that in my vape gear. (phones, mp3 players, tablets).

If my MVP's last only 6 months, then I will definitely re-evaluate my choice. But right now, I'm kind of sitting on the fence and taking a "wait and see" attitude.

 

[Caridwen]

I got my MVP when they first came out- thought it died but I fiddled with it a bit (charger issue ) and it's working fine again. Mine is well over a year old. Nice $30 purchase!

 

[sawlight]

I got my MVP when they first came out- thought it died but I fiddled with it a bit (charger issue ) and it's working fine again. Mine is well over a year old. Nice $30 purchase!

Nice! May I ask what you "fiddled with" specifically? I've seen a lot of people on here that have them dying around the 5 month mark, it would be nice to offer them suggestions that might get them going again!

Really, I'm not bashing on them, like the EGO's, I love the form factor, it's just the whole "well, gonna have to throw it away when it dies!" that kills me!

 

[MD_Boater]

The MVP series was released in 2012 and there are still people who are using their MVP V1's after a year with no noticeable issues.

Even if I have to replace an MVP once a year, I am still looking at 4 years before my expenditure matches that of a $160.00 mod. And that's not taking into account the battery replacement costs on the 18650 (approx. 15 bucks a piece)

I actually prefer the "all in one" nature of the MVP, since I don't have to carry around an bulky external charger with me and can charge it anywhere I can find a USB port or micro USB phone charger which I normally have with me for my other electronic devices.

The ONLY valid argument for me on purchasing a $160.00 mod that uses 18650's is the possibility that the sale e-cigs would be completely banned. Although that is a possibility, I don't see it happening unless research comes out that vaping is blatently hazardous.

And should THAT happen, if you really want to get you're vape on, you can do so with a mechanical mod, a rebuildable atty and some DIY juice.....

I agree with you 100%. At $39.95 the MVP2 cost me the same as 7 packs of cigarettes in Maryland. If it lasts one whole week, I am even.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

I don't have either, but have been looking to get a mod. with a mod that uses an 18650 you can change the battery out when it is drained. with the mvp it has an internal battery that is not replaceable. when it is drained you have to wait for it to charge(so you better have a backup) and when its life is up you toss the whole thing, not just a battery.

Or you hand to your tech savvy buddy, who finds you replacement LiPO packs of equivalent size, solders em in and you keep on trucking with a completely renewed system

 

[Caridwen]

Nice! May I ask what you "fiddled with" specifically? I've seen a lot of people on here that have them dying around the 5 month mark, it would be nice to offer them suggestions that might get them going again!

Really, I'm not bashing on them, like the EGO's, I love the form factor, it's just the whole "well, gonna have to throw it away when it dies!" that kills me!

I'm a bad one to ask. Someone posted pics of taking their MVP apart so of course I decided to do that too. I was just fiddling around with where you plug in the charger, and tried it again and it seemed to work fine.


The pics she posted it appeared that liquid looks like it got inside - I'll see if I can find the post. Some sort of leakage (battery?) to the USB output connector caused rust.

I clean mine fairly frequently- old habit when using the mini's when I started and mine doesn't seem gunked up. I use carto/tanks on it- don't know if that makes a difference.

Edit: Here's the thread
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ona-mvp-v1-thought-you-guys-may-want-see.html

 

[Peter_C]

While I understand the whole "disposable" argument based on previous experience, the MVP2 really kind of makes that whole issue moot.

No one complains that the iPhone is a disposable device and you spend almost 10x more for an Iphone.

When we were vaping on cheap eGo batteries that required two charges a day, device life due to the battery was something to be concerned with. 300 charge cycles at 2 per day equated to just a couple months. We would vape those smaller capacity batteries until they cut out and then charge them.

However when you are charging once every 2 days, then your device life goes from 5 months to almost two years.

I have 2 MVP 2's. I rotate between them. That means each one hits a charge cycle every 4 days. At 300 charge cycles, you are looking at 1200 days which is almost 4 years.

And the 300 charge cycle life is based on 100% depth of discharge (3.0v) which is something that my MVP NEVER sees. I typically charge at 3.7 volts or above which almost doubles the number of charge cycles I can put my MVP through.

So I understand why people don't like "disposable" mods, but I think the long battery life of the MVP makes the argument a moot point.

One point to add to this thought? The market itself will change during those 2-3 years, and most likely by then you will want something different (if not before then) - which is the argument bout the iPhone - the tech changes so fast, you will change to a newer model long before the phone will die. I am still on my iPhone 4, and look how many different/better models are out now? Without even considering other brands?

 

[ZeroOhm]

I just got my SiD in the mail yesterday, and after waiting forever for the batteries to charge, am vaping away quite happily on it. I like this! Seems to be a smoother vape overall, more flavor, even though I'm running a tank I'd run on my MVP at the same settings?

So, what's going on here? Why is this different? Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I'm just curios as to why.

You have to start and look at the power output characteristics, different electronics in VV/VW devices produce a different vape. I noticed this recently having a dying 4 week old SVD got an MVP as a backup set to the same VW output swap the RBA wow like a different universe completely different the MVP in VW is harsh like a course vape compared to the SVD.

I can only conclude for VV/VW device a Semovar or Provari gives a true output not a PWM'ed averaged output I have only been vaping a few weeks so i have alot to learn but even at the same Wattage and the same RBA APVs have very different charactistics.

The MVP is a few days old and been charged just twice, i may keep it but i need to meditate and put in 100 hours of making coil setups. Maybe when my KF and KFL clones arrive i can tweak the vape right now with GG Ithaka clones its harsh and not pleasant i want smooth tasty candy floss not a taco chilli vape!


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