Why is my ego twist hitting better than my new SVD?

[Tebo]

Ok so this is the first mod I've used. I have 2 brand new AW 18350's I either use stacked or single. & a new AW 18650. And my ego C is between 4 to 4.4 volts as my setting I'm using ATM. I've tested 2 viva nova's with 1.8 ohm. Protank with 2.4 ohm. & a iClear at 2 ohm. So at 4.4 or 4 volts my ego c is giving the more satisfying hit from all of these tanks, and a better throat hit. My new mod I got which is an SVD I'm using at 7.5-9.5 watts for these tanks, because anything 6 volt or less feels like baby hits. & using the volt setting at 4.4 volts it hits weaker as well, an gives a even weaker hit than the voltage setting. What am I doing wrong, or am I doing anything wrong? I must be doing something wrong!

 

[AlanWoltemath]

maybe your itaste isn't working properly. i can't run my protank on my itaste over 3.7v with a 2.5 ohm head without burning it out. my itaste svd works way better then anything i have tried.

 

[Tebo]

maybe your itaste isn't working properly. i can't run my protank on my itaste over 3.7v with a 2.5 ohm head without burning it out. my itaste svd works way better then anything i have tried.

I got my SVD Thursday, do you think the software is just flaud or something? My SVD is also not working every other puff but just on my protank, it was working perfect Thursday and Friday, but now it seems to not read it's ohms, I have to keep readjusting the connection. Could that of been the reason it was hitting weaker on the SVD, because it was overworking on higher voltage/watt power than the ego twist?

 

[Tebo]

maybe your itaste isn't working properly. i can't run my protank on my itaste over 3.7v with a 2.5 ohm head without burning it out. my itaste svd works way better then anything i have tried.

after tinkering with different batteries and different tanks, the protank indeed burned out, probably because I had it over 3.7 volts.. considering what you said. Which means I'm not doing my watts/volts correctly lol. What watt setting do you usually keep your protank at? & is the throat hit strong? Also I've heard in watt setting, you don't gotta adjust volts because volts auto adjusts in watt setting... but not the other way around, am I correct on that?

 

[NismoNinja]

I got my SVD Thursday, do you think the software is just flaud or something? My SVD is also not working every other puff but just on my protank, it was working perfect Thursday and Friday, but now it seems to not read it's ohms, I have to keep readjusting the connection. Could that of been the reason it was hitting weaker on the SVD, because it was overworking on higher voltage/watt power than the ego twist?

OK - I have a SVD and I was having the EXACT same problem. After working closely with the company that sold it to me and talking with the vendor rep that just happened to be in the office when I called, we determined that the issue was a small o-ring that was known to unseat itself causing the exact issue you described. I would have to fiddle with the tank constantly to get it to work. When it worked, it was AWESOME. When it worked. It was a known flaw that Innokin fixed with an improved version that won't fail.

I ended up getting a return set up with the vendor I purchased it from and returned the SVD and a new one was sent out to me immediately. I got my replacement in the mail the other day and this one is fantastic. There are a couple of small changes that I like. Aside from the improved o-ring which was replaced, each of the three buttons are domed instead of flat. I actually REALLY like the new feel of the buttons.

I would recommend speaking with your vendor or contacting Innokin directly. I will warn you that Innokin takes several days to respond to emails and they are a little challenging to read. Google Translate apparently isn't working all that well :>) This is a known issue and Innokin should help.

With regards to hit, my replacement SVD works MUCH better. I use the iClear, ProTank, Nova, and mini Nova and change the voltage/wattage on each, but hit is good and strong. A definite step up form my standard eGo batteries.

Good Luck!

 

[Tebo]

OK - I have a SVD and I was having the EXACT same problem. After working closely with the company that sold it to me and talking with the vendor rep that just happened to be in the office when I called, we determined that the issue was a small o-ring that was known to unseat itself causing the exact issue you described. I would have to fiddle with the tank constantly to get it to work. When it worked, it was AWESOME. When it worked. It was a known flaw that Innokin fixed with an improved version that won't fail.

I ended up getting a return set up with the vendor I purchased it from and returned the SVD and a new one was sent out to me immediately. I got my replacement in the mail the other day and this one is fantastic. There are a couple of small changes that I like. Aside from the improved o-ring which was replaced, each of the three buttons are domed instead of flat. I actually REALLY like the new feel of the buttons. & it's still not as good as my ego twist...

I don't wanna say anything to my vendor about this yet because I'm not sure if it's me or the SVD yet

I would recommend speaking with your vendor or contacting Innokin directly. I will warn you that Innokin takes several days to respond to emails and they are a little challenging to read. Google Translate apparently isn't working all that well :>) This is a known issue and Innokin should help.

With regards to hit, my replacement SVD works MUCH better. I use the iClear, ProTank, Nova, and mini Nova and change the voltage/wattage on each, but hit is good and strong. A definite step up form my standard eGo batteries.

Good Luck!

Thanks for the help. Oddly enough I've figured out I just burned out my protank from using it at 8.5 volts. Because all other tanks are working fine on it. So now my issue is, I just flat out get a better performing hit from my ego twist than my SVD. I've tested multiple different watt volt settings, and looked up proper ways to set it up for the ohms in my tanks, but no matter how I do it I never get a satisfying hit off my SVD unless it's at 8 watts or up.

I don't wanna contact my vendor about it yet incase it's me not knowing the right watt/volt or if it's just the SVD

 

[Tebo]

http://www.ecigadvanced.com/community/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/power.jpg

When using this chart, my SVD is starting to seem a lot more accurate.. thanks for the help everyone I really appreciate it a lot. My SVD is outperforming the twist now to my liking

Too bad I burned out my favorite tank in the process of learning!

 

[AlanWoltemath]

i use my svd with the protank at no more than 6watts or 3.7 volts, and i havn't burnt a protank head yet, gives me plumes of vapor

 

[Tebo]

i use my svd with the protank at no more than 6watts or 3.7 volts, and i havn't burnt a protank head yet, gives me plumes of vapor

I notice with my SVD at this point, I have to adjust both the volts and watts, and puff on volt setting, to get the most accurate hit. If I just use the watt side, my hit is considerably more weak.

I've been using around 4 volts and 8.5 watts to get a decent hit, anything lower is so weak you can't feel it in your throat.

 

[mrjayd]

I am pretty new to all of this too, but from what I have gathered, you either use the variable voltage or wattage individually. I don't think that setting both makes any difference when you are using one over the other. But I could be wrong. Maybe someone will jump in here and set us straight.....

I notice with my SVD at this point, I have to adjust both the volts and watts, and puff on volt setting, to get the most accurate hit. If I just use the watt side, my hit is considerably more weak.

I've been using around 4 volts and 8.5 watts to get a decent hit, anything lower is so weak you can't feel it in your throat.

 

[Tebo]

I am pretty new to all of this too, but from what I have gathered, you either use the variable voltage or wattage individually. I don't think that setting both makes any difference when you are using one over the other. But I could be wrong. Maybe someone will jump in here and set us straight.....

well I know if I don't set the watts accordingly, before going to my volt menu, then the volts is extra extra weak. However it doesn't matter what my volts seem to be when I use the watt setting. The watt setting is honestly the only setting on my SVD even giving a throat hit similar to what my ego c twist does.

At the moment I'm using a 2.ohm coil, and my ego C twist at 4 Volts, is out performing my SVD at 4.1 volts with 8.5 watts... I've emailed my vendor now cus I'm pretty sure my SVD is a dud. & if it's not, I wasted 100 dollars on something weaker than a 25 dollar device.

It could be a dud because it doesn't seem no matter what it set to it don't hit harder than the twist. At the same time the twist could just naturally pack a harder throat hit? The SVD doesn't feel like it's broken, it just seems like it doesn't hit as strong as I'm use to with the twist. Twist gives more smoke usually too

 

[Barry Badrinath]

If I remember this right, voltage is the potential energy more or less and wattage is the measure of that energy in action over a period of time. Increasing voltage essentially means you are sending more current with more force. The lower the ohms basically is the wider the path and more conductive the material, meaning more current is allowed to flow faster with less resistance, also because it absorbs less power while traveling. Basically increasing voltage is increasing the force that energy is being forced through a path, where as increasing wattage is increasing that power and the speed in which is gets there. I think lol. Someone correct me on this, it's been like 10 years since I've thought about anything to do with electric.

 

[Tebo]

http://www.ecigadvanced.com/community/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/power.jpg

using this chart, a 2ohm coil in an iClear set at 7.5 watts and 3.8 volts with SVD like it suggests, is being heavily outperformed by the ego c twist at 3.8 volts

same thing with the SVD at 4.1 volts and 8.5 watts being outperformed by the twist at 4.0 volts

outperformed in throat hit an vapour production, should that be happening?

 

[Faylool]

Are you using the same e juice and like all the same?

 

[Tebo]

Are you using the same e juice and like all the same?

I am switching the tanks between the two devices with the same juices inside yep. I've used several different juices and same result.

 

[Wizzlefits]

If I remember this right, voltage is the potential energy more or less and wattage is the measure of that energy in action over a period of time. Increasing voltage essentially means you are sending more current with more force. The lower the ohms basically is the wider the path and more conductive the material, meaning more current is allowed to flow faster with less resistance, also because it absorbs less power while traveling. Basically increasing voltage is increasing the force that energy is being forced through a path, where as increasing wattage is increasing that power and the speed in which is gets there. I think lol. Someone correct me on this, it's been like 10 years since I've thought about anything to do with electric.

The. three most basic units in electricity are voltage (V), current (I, uppercase "i") and resistance (r). Voltage is measured in volts, current is measured in amps and resistance is measured in ohms.

A neat analogy to help understand these terms is a system of plumbing pipes. The voltage is equivalent to the water pressure, the current is equivalent to the flow rate, and the resistance is like the pipe size.

There is a basic equation in electrical engineering that states how the three terms relate. It says that the current is equal to the voltage divided by the resistance.

Let's see how this relation applies to the plumbing system. Let's say you have a tank of pressurized water connected to a hose that you are using to water the garden.

What happens if you increase the pressure in the tank? You probably can guess that this makes more water come out of the hose. The same is true of an electrical system: Increasing the voltage will make more current flow.

Let's say you increase the diameter of the hose and all of the fittings to the tank. You probably guessed that this also makes more water come out of the hose. This is like decreasing the resistance in an electrical system, which increases the current flow.

Electrical power is measured in watts. In an electrical system power (P) is equal to the voltage multiplied by the current.

The water analogy still applies. Take a hose and point it at a waterwheel like the ones that were used to turn grinding stones in watermills. You can increase the power generated by the waterwheel in two ways. If you increase the pressure of the water coming out of the hose, it hits the waterwheel with a lot more force and the wheel turns faster, generating more power. If you increase the flow rate, the waterwheel turns faster because of the weight of the extra water hitting it.

And the rest of the story....

 

[UncleChuck]

I notice with my SVD at this point, I have to adjust both the volts and watts, and puff on volt setting, to get the most accurate hit. If I just use the watt side, my hit is considerably more weak.

I've been using around 4 volts and 8.5 watts to get a decent hit, anything lower is so weak you can't feel it in your throat.

I think there is a little bit of confusion on how the settings work on your device.

If the device is in voltage mode, you manually adjust the voltage up and down. You need to do the calculation yourself, in your mind, to match up the voltage setting to whatever resistance heads you are using.

If the device is in Wattage mode, you don't have to manually adjust the voltage to match your heads resistance. You just set your wattage setting, and the controller will automatically adjust the voltage to match the resistance of your heads.

But, either way, you are still doing the exact same thing, which is adjusting voltage. Even in wattage mode, turning the wattage up will increase your voltage assuming the resistance of the head is the same. In other words, you cannot make adjustments on BOTH wattage AND voltage menus. When you switch into voltage mode, it doesn't matter at all what the wattage WAS set to. When you switch into wattage mode, it doesn't matter what the voltage WAS set to. You can only adjust in one menu setting, whatever setting you currently have the device on.

So you said you had to adjust both watts and volts menus, and then vape in the voltage setting. When you were doing this, it does not matter at all what the wattage setting was, because it will ONLY adjust in the current setting. So once you switched over to voltage, whatever you had the wattage set to doesn't matter anymore, because now you are adjusting the voltage. I hope that makes sense.

So you say you get a weak hit in wattage mode. What wattage was it set to? Because 5 watts and 5 volts are completely different, 5 watts would be a much lower powered vape.

If you are using a 2ohm head, running at 5 VOLTS, your wattage will calculate out to 12.5 Watts. That's a pretty good amount of power.

But, if you are using a 2ohm head, running at 5 WATTS, your voltage will calculate out to only 3.2 Volts. That's pretty low power for most people.

If you want to easily play around with various calculations, here is a handy online calculator:

Watts - volts - amps - ohms conversion calculator

Only use TWO variables (either voltage and resistance, or wattage and resistance) and the calculator will figure out the rest of the stuff for you. For example, if you have a 2omh head on your device, and have your voltage set to 4 volts, go to that calculator and type in 2 ohms and 4 volts, and the calculator will show you what wattage you are vaping at.

In the same way, if you are in wattage mode, vaping at 10 watts with a 2ohm head, go there and type in 10 watts and 2ohms, and the calculator will show you what voltage your device has automatically calculated the voltage to.

So long story short, you cannot adjust both menus at the same time. Once you switch to a different menu setting, it no longer matters what setting you just used, it only matters what you have it set to now.

 

[Tebo]

My Joyetech eGo Twist seems to hit better than any of my other PVs.
I don't really get it either?

What are the point of mods then? I've had my ego c twists since last july, and actually got my new mod the other day because I felt my twists have been hitting weaker than they usto.

The irony that my somewhat weaker ego c twists are still out performing a brand new mod with brand new batteries lol.

If this really is the case, that ego c twists are just generally stronger than mods... why do mods even exist, they're clunky heavy and not near as convenient as a twist.... I am more confused about vapeing now, than I was when I first started!

 

[Tebo]

This is the response I got from my vendor about the throat hit being strong on the twist.

The eGo-C twist is not PWM and the SVD is. So the Twist will hit at 4.1ohm and then start to drop off. The SVD has a unique algorithm as all mods do, it will put out 4.0V's but there is more happening in the back ground with the peaks and valley's of the output. Hence the Vamo's AVG and RMS settings (4.0V AVG will destroy a carto and 4.0V RMS won't). The eVic's MVR software actually allows you to manipulate those values. A couple examples to help you understand. You may want to find the optimal ohm & cartomizer to use with your SVD for increased enjoyment or maybe just simply will always personally enjoy the Twist more. Let me know if you have more questions.

It makes sense to me. I guess I respect the twist a bit more now. Even tho it gives a strong th, I think I still prefer using the SVD because of flavor.

 

[UncleChuck]

What are the point of mods then? I've had my ego c twists since last july, and actually got my new mod the other day because I felt my twists have been hitting weaker than they usto.

The irony that my somewhat weaker ego c twists are still out performing a brand new mod with brand new batteries lol.

If this really is the case, that ego c twists are just generally stronger than mods... why do mods even exist, they're clunky heavy and not near as convenient as a twist.... I am more confused about vapeing now, than I was when I first started!

Well, something is fishy here, because a Twist, or any ego form factor battery for that matter, cannot put out anywhere near the power something like an SVD, Vamo, Zmax, etc etc could. All of these cheap VW mods use a choppy PWM, like the vendor sort of mentioned. The issue with choppy PWM like these mods use, is that the coil gets a FULL 6 volt spike. For a tiny tiny amount of time, then it gets NO voltage. On and off, over and over again rather quickly (but not quickly enough, that's the issue)

That's the cause of the rattlesnake sound that you get with many heads at certain power levels. You are actually hearing the coil getting hotter, then cooler, then hotter, then cooler.

But, the difference between the low frequency PWM of these devices, and either straight battery voltage, or just better regulation, isn't a weak hit at all. Usually this issue manifests itself in hitting TOO hot, although flavor would also be effected a bit too.

But your issue seems to be that your SVD is just hitting really weak. Just turn it up. Go into wattage mode, set it to 10 watts, and vape away. At 10 watts you should be getting a vape that blows away the twist.

It's possible your SVD is defective as well, or you simply don't have it turned up enough.