I've heard about it only recently, and was amazed to hear that the device exists so long (since 2006 if I'm not mistaken). Couldn't understand how neither I nor any of my friends heard about it. My instant thought was that there must be something really wrong with it, either its very expansive, unhealthy like a regular cig or isn't something that can replace regular cigs. But it intrigued me enough to keep looking. Found several local online distributors in my country (poor marketing from their side as I didn't know about them), and eventually arrived at this great forum. But my case is different and still most of the smokers haven't heard about the product. Why is that? Why most of the devices are still made by unknown chinese companies? Why hasn't any of the big known brands from either the electronics or tobacco market started making and marketing them?
Why isn't e-smoking more popular?
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For the same reason that pipe, cigar and rolling tobacco smoking is niche, kramer - the convenience of tailormade cigarette consumption dooms healthier (or even tastier) alternatives to the margin. Tobacco companies are set up to produce cigarettes by the billion. They've sunk a huge amount of cash into the machinery of production. Our device doesn't even need tobacco nicotine. That's not to say they won't get involved (witness their move into snus production) but their first move will surely be to try for a ban, or at the very least to strangle it by regulation. The big electronics corporations have enough to do competing with each other, and, as has been noted, there's very little tech in these things - not really their ball park.
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Everything Emp wrote is true. Do not expect anything but opposition from Big Tobacco, Big Pharma and Big Government. As always, it's follow the money. Who wins, who loses?
There's also the problem of advertising. Very, very risky. Might not be legal at all in the U.S., and no one is testing the waters (Njoy is supposedly readying late-night cable TV commercials, which will put e-smoking in the same league as "miracle cleaners".)
I hope most here saw a story this morning about Airborne settling a class action lawsuit. Surely, everyone bought Airborne over the last two years. Invented by a school teacher and claimed to stop colds if used at the first hint of cold onset. They are little dissolve-in-water tablets of herbs and vitamins and such.
Well, sir, they asked for it by making a health claim. And they got it. The Federal Trade Commission said "prove it" and Airborne didn't have clinical trials. So it will now pay $30 million in fines. Lots of folks thought it worked. That doesn't count. No trials. No science. Huge fine.
The same fate awaits e-smoking products that claim to help a smoker quit. Where are the trials to prove that? There are none. Sellers making smoking cessation claims on their Web sites are asking for it. And will likely get clobbered before long by the FTC in America. Be pepared to shell out huge sums of money for a claim that can't be proven.
Never claim what can't be backed up with hard science.
There's also the problem of advertising. Very, very risky. Might not be legal at all in the U.S., and no one is testing the waters (Njoy is supposedly readying late-night cable TV commercials, which will put e-smoking in the same league as "miracle cleaners".)
I hope most here saw a story this morning about Airborne settling a class action lawsuit. Surely, everyone bought Airborne over the last two years. Invented by a school teacher and claimed to stop colds if used at the first hint of cold onset. They are little dissolve-in-water tablets of herbs and vitamins and such.
Well, sir, they asked for it by making a health claim. And they got it. The Federal Trade Commission said "prove it" and Airborne didn't have clinical trials. So it will now pay $30 million in fines. Lots of folks thought it worked. That doesn't count. No trials. No science. Huge fine.
The same fate awaits e-smoking products that claim to help a smoker quit. Where are the trials to prove that? There are none. Sellers making smoking cessation claims on their Web sites are asking for it. And will likely get clobbered before long by the FTC in America. Be pepared to shell out huge sums of money for a claim that can't be proven.
Never claim what can't be backed up with hard science.
I do belive that marketing with the right attitude, would speed-up the product acceptance, and if you mention only facts and not speculations or lies, you should be fine.
You can say that it's a smoking alternative that doesn't include tobbaco combustion. I don't think you need much more than that....
You can say that it's a smoking alternative that doesn't include tobbaco combustion. I don't think you need much more than that....
It's been in the news in the U.K. and it did not get a good reaction.
Mainly because it was presented to the public by someone who did not appear
to know anything about it.
It all seems to be a way of beating the ban rather than a way of stopping.
Mainly because it was presented to the public by someone who did not appear
to know anything about it.
It all seems to be a way of beating the ban rather than a way of stopping.
Exactly, iceman. I stopped smoking with this but it was an unintended consequence and nobody was more surprised than me. I just wanted to be able to simulate smoking down the pub (yup - beat the ban). The fact that I did give up proves nothing, even though I can cite dozens of others from this forum who also gave up with it. Suppliers who make this claim are asking for it, like Bob sez...
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I know I can not solicit on this site, but I do have a site in USA and I emphasize this is a smoking alternative that is all and I also explain whats in it and that if they are allergic to any of these or they should not use.
Hope thats enough.
KatyS
Hope thats enough.
KatyS
sounds like the best way to do things.
what's the address of your site katys? i'ld like to have a look. you can pm me with it if you prefer.
what's the address of your site katys? i'ld like to have a look. you can pm me with it if you prefer.
just click on my name and send a message..i doubt SJ would mind too much anyway.
Hi KatyS
"Smoking alternative" is the magic phrase. That's exactly what it is.
Emp
"Smoking alternative" is the magic phrase. That's exactly what it is.
Emp
Hey mandonlk and welcome!
All you need to do is shoot SmokeyJoe or dnakr a PM, and they can add your site to the Suppliers list along with changing your status to "Supplier"
Good luck, and thanks for Joining ECF!!!
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All you need to do is shoot SmokeyJoe or dnakr a PM, and they can add your site to the Suppliers list along with changing your status to "Supplier"
Good luck, and thanks for Joining ECF!!!
-CaSH
I have actually been here for about two weeks reading all your great ideas, tips and reviews. Decided time to dive in. I am a 45 year smoker, started E-cigs so I could smoke at the poker table. Then I was so impressed with the improvement in how I felt decided to sell the product.
Like all styles use 4 types of cigs, pen, 901, great white (my juicer) and mini. Most of all a vapor queen
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Thanks for making me feel so welcome
Like all styles use 4 types of cigs, pen, 901, great white (my juicer) and mini. Most of all a vapor queen
!Thanks for making me feel so welcome
The bottom line guys, is that if we want this to flourish, or even last for that matter, websites have got to STOP MARKETING THEM AS SMOKING CESSATION DEVICES! Don't even use the words "stop smoking".
Listen, people can and will figure out that they can quit with this product. They don't need us telling them they can. Doing so only jeopardizes the future of e-smoking. We are at an incredibly precarious place right now and the future of this thing we all love will come down to how e-cigarettes are marketed right now.
We need to establish a brand new standard of e-cig marketing whereby ONLY 'smoking-alternative' or the like is acceptable and 'quit-smoking' or 'smoking cessation' is simply unacceptable.
Listen, people can and will figure out that they can quit with this product. They don't need us telling them they can. Doing so only jeopardizes the future of e-smoking. We are at an incredibly precarious place right now and the future of this thing we all love will come down to how e-cigarettes are marketed right now.
We need to establish a brand new standard of e-cig marketing whereby ONLY 'smoking-alternative' or the like is acceptable and 'quit-smoking' or 'smoking cessation' is simply unacceptable.
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